Japan protests China's ‘unilateral exploration activity’ near disputed sea gas field

[xiao qi]

There was definitely brutality, use of chemical weapons, and such things that warrant apologies. But the apology tit has been milked dry and no longer wants to give.

I think what needs to happen is for a general consensus among various Asian countries on the history of East and South East Asia needs to be established so that the schools on all the countries have more or less the same history being taught. And then once a year, a memorial ceremony could be held by the various countries in the region for the war, life loss, war veterans, and recognition of atrocities.

The current situation is that what is understood, interpretation, and the narrative, is very different among the different countries in the region and that the history gets abused by mass media and politics. So a shared consensus on historical understanding and how to treat it is at a point of being virtually impossible to achieve.



I don't particular dislike the country but this issue really puts me off. I would eat kimchi once in a while if the issue would just hurry up and get settled.

The comfort women were recruited all over the Japanese Empire, including Japan. Some were already prostitutes. Some knew what they were getting into but were desperate. Some were sold by their families. Some were tricked, thinking they would be doing some other work. And some were forcibly kidnapped.

Officially, they were paid, regardless of how they were recruited. The deniers use this to pretend that they were all willing, ignoring the evidence of coercion, trickery & forcible kidnapping. But much of their pay was often taken by brothel controllers, & initial pay might be earmarked to pay off the costs of recruitment, which could be a payment to their families, a payment to a recruiter (a sweet-talking bastard who offered some respectable job, a kidnapper, whoever) or an advance given on recruitment (often then handed over to families). So . . .debt slavery for many. But not all, by any means. It doesn't make a difference to those who claim that they were all enslaved, though.

Some of the claims of mortality rates are ghastly, this is controversial. Reliable numbers are hard to come by, & untangling them is made more difficult by the partisan attitudes of many involved. Suicide rates seem to have been high (I can understand why, among those kidnapped or tricked), & very many died in ships sunk by the Allies: it's known that the Japanese forces would often evacuate them when the front approached wherever where they were stationed (this seems to have been seen as a protective measure for them), & the losses of evacuation ships in the Pacific & SE Asia were terrible.

Koreans were very active in recruiting women in Korea & China, Korean soldiers, camp guards & workers (many were conscripted to work for the IJN & IJA) had access to them & took advantage of it, & South Korea maintained the system after WW2. Many thousands of Korean women were coerced or forced into brothels for troops, both Korean & UN, during the Korean War & afterwards . Raising this in S. Korea triggers a very hostile reaction.

BTW, apparently the rate soldiers had to pay often depended on the ethnicity of the woman, e.g. a slightly higher rate for Japanese than Korean. Rate sheets survive.
So It is one the most reason I dont like the Korean

 

[Tshering22]

Japanese are despicable.
They forced large amount of women into prostitution.
They later insult them by labeling them as willing prostitutes.

Japan should go to the Netherlands and loudly call their women prostitutes.
http://nltimes.nl/2015/12/28/dutch-comfort-women-also-want-apology-japan-wwii-war-crimes
Dutch Comfort Women also want apology from Japan over WWII war crimes
Some Comfort Women in the Netherlands received financial compensation about 10 years ago. A number of them refused as a matter of principle, wanting the Japanese to first acknowledge that war crimes were committed.
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Japan of that era did what the Allied states did in their respective colonies and areas of influence.

The only difference is, Allies hid their skeletons well in the closet while Axis stood exposed.

What the generation of that time did cannot be undone.

It was painful but there is little that can be done to change the past.

Today's Japanese are nearly four generations later who haven't done anything against others.

We cannot blame them for the errors of past.


British did that sort of nonsense to India, but it won't make sense to blame the British of today for that right?

Let's just move on.

 

[Jlaw]

China can do whatever they want here, afterall the japan should not even exist as a country, most race/countries disappeared after losing such scale wars.

And of cause China want to take revenage over japan here, so just expect more and more provoation from China in the future, and no, I dont believe the US will risk a nuclear war with China over japan, at best they will drop a few more nukes on japan in the future war.

It's call killing the dog because dog is too much trouble

yes, that's exactly the tone we could expect from a JP guy that feeling proud of "we have many American military bases in our territory!!" That's indeed a nice show. Thanks.

He's most likely an American loser living in Japan.

 

[sinait]

Japan of that era did what the Allied states did in their respective colonies and areas of influence.

The only difference is, Allies hid their skeletons well in the closet while Axis stood exposed.

What the generation of that time did cannot be undone.

It was painful but there is little that can be done to change the past.

Today's Japanese are nearly four generations later who haven't done anything against others.

We cannot blame them for the errors of past.

British did that sort of nonsense to India, but it won't make sense to blame the British of today for that right?

Let's just move on.

Japanese born after the war also have to bear some responsibility as well as part of their inheritance.

That is why I qualify my statement with 'some' and not full responsibility.
You have to inherit all of your ancestors baggage not just the country, riches, culture and DNA.
Same thing apply to what India inherited from the British, though in India's case, it went on to forcibly and ruthlessly annexed more and more states illegally.

There are many things that present Japan can do to effect a closure on that sorry episode like how the Germans had succeeded to do. Do not let your differences with China cloud your logic.
Though Japanese were nasty, they are well regarded presently, and should not allow this bad relationship to continue further.
On the other hand 'Indian' immediately conjure up images of people squatting on streets and railway tracks shitting. So I am truly puzzled why you would want to associate yourself with Indian, and Hindus treat you as low class citizens.
Its a fact and even the Arunachal Pradesh legislator's son Nido Taniam was beaten to death by Hindu racists.

If I inherit something, I will need to pay off debts and liabilities of that inheritance.
Walk away from that inheritance if you choose to not acknowledge its debts and liabilities.

Let me inherit Japan, and I will properly apologize and pay compensation to the satisfaction of all victim countries.
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[Zsari]

Japan protests China's ‘unilateral exploration activity’ near disputed sea gas field.

The keyword here is "near", that China's activity is still within its undisputed water. That however is the very definition of Exclusive Economic Zone, where China has the full right to unilaterally explore and exploit what's in its undisputed EEZ. Whether the oil field span beyond its sea border is irrelevant as long as the drilling is done within. It is certainly not China's responsibility that Japan is unable to exploit the resources on their undisputed water.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You are ignoring many points made in the last time we talked.

ROK didn't have diplomatic relations with Japan until 1965, yet they were prompt in saying that Takeshima belongs to them. Diplomatic relations are not necessary for a country to say what belongs to them. Additionally, China in the 1950s and 1960s was saying that Formosa belonged to them but not the Senkaku islands. On mention of Formosa, the Qing and Ming were foreign occupiers that crushed rebellions many times on Formosa and they were not so bothered to let the troubled island go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Shuangwen_rebellion

With the Kuril islands, Soviet Union took them after Japan surrendered in WW2. Thus Japan and Russia never signed a peace treaty because of foul play by the Soviet Union. The difference here is that Japan never let go of its claim and rightfully so. Whereas in China case, they made a claim out of no where about 25 years after WW2 concluded.

Japan lacks oil, Japan lacks a large population size, Japan lacks being a bread basket. But despite that, Japan competed pretty well against other big countries like the US and the Soviet Union. What Japan does have is high quality human resources which in turn enable high technology. But in comparison to other big countries like the US who is plentiful in metals, energy, wide country, 3 times the population as Japan and protective oceans, and so on, that is reality. The US is the bigger country and no better way to counter China (who is also much larger with many more natural resources than Japan) than to allow the US to station forces in Japan. So good luck in kicking the US out of the Asia-Pacific as Japan will not only allow the US to continue stationing its forces in Japan, but will add onto the strength of the US with the Self-Defense Forces. And good luck in trying to break up the US-Japan alliance. Because as made evident by the Chinese nationalism on these boards and elsewhere on CCP media, being the American sphere will always be better than being in a CCP PRC sphere. 33 billion US dollars worth of Japanese ODAs going into China seems to not have been recognized as a positive gesture from Japan to China. I reckon y'all didn't even know about that.

China make claim out of no where??? that island is historical belong to China, get your fact right...no wonder Japanese is very good on rewrite the history.

And why would we want to kick US out of Asia when they help China to keep Japan under the collar when American diplomats told Chinese official that they would never led Japan to repeat the pass ever again and probably they said differently to Japanese official.

As for your Alliance, I'm wonder how American will take that if we Chinese tell them that US must allow Chinese force to stay in their soil to defend against potential aliens invader but US have to paid our military expense...If that's Japanese definition of alliance, we don't have problem with that

And Japanese can be as white at they want, we don't really care and we certainly not welcome them into our sphere and the best if they can give up to use Kanji or any Confucius though as well because that belong to Chinese, we don't want to see any connection between you and us, and to begin with remove all your text book all road sign, movie, cultural event anything written in Kanji...we rather to see a de-Sinicized Japanese than a ungraceful one.

 

[terranMarine]

That's what i like about this "relationship" between the US and Japan, it literally has Japan's hands and feet chained like a prisoner. Some jokers like to see it as alliance, the big guy treating the little guy as equal partners. But how on Earth can there be any misinterpretation of this master slave type relation when Japan has no independent foreign policy, constraint with military expansionism.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

How is there a dispute between Japan and China? The United States doesn't permit Japan to own anything, so that "dispute" is between the US and China.