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J-20 vs. F-35, One Analyst’s Perspective

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J-20 vs. F-35, One Analyst’s Perspective

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With all the hoopla about China’s new fifth-gen fighter this week, we asked Teal Group aviation analyst Richard Aboulafia for his take on how serious a threat the J-20/J-XX is to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in air-to-air combat and as a competitor on the global fast jet market.

Rumor has it the J-20 is designed to take on the air superiority-focused F-22 Raptor. But remember, now that the F-22 is ending production and is banned for export sales, the F-35 will be the fifth-gen mainstay of the United States and numerous allies.
Here’s what Richard has to say on the matter:

I would gauge a modern combat aircraft’s capabilities by looking at the following features:

1. Access to offboard space, ground, and air-based sensors, particularly a capable AEW/AWACS system with a well-trained crew and robust data links.

2. Effective sensor fusion to allow the pilot to make use of all this information, as well as information from onboard sensors.

3. An integrated EW system.

4. An AESA radar with a high level of reliability.

5. Training and doctrine necessary to make effective use of all this data and equipment. Plenty of flight hours for pilot flight training, too.

6. Powerful engines (ideally capable of supercruise), with a high mean time between overhaul and failures.

7. An airframe with low-observable characteristics.

8. A robust air-to-air refueling capability (equipment, readiness, training).

9. Sophisticated and reliable precision guided weaponry.

10. A robust software and hardware upgrade roadmap, to keep this plane effective in 5, 10, and 30 years.

11. Maintenance procedures in place to keep the plane operating with a high mission-capable rate. And of course equipment that has been designed with easy access for maintenance and easy access for electronic diagnostic tools, and ideally a sophisticated health-usage monitoring system (HUMS).

This list is not in any particular order of magnitude. And I’m sure I’ve missed quite a few other key items.


The J-20 offers one item from this list (#7). I’m not convinced that the PLAAF has any other items from this list, although China seems to be making some progress with #9.
It’s kind of fun to watch the world fixate on this one item (#7). Then again, I still enjoy air shows, too. Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver, for example. Drives the crowd wild. Relevance to modern combat? Zero.

As for the F-35, it certainly has its problems, especially regarding the price tag. But most, if not all, of the customers and partners are sophisticated enough to have a list that’s a lot more comprehensive than the one above. And I’m sure the appearance of item #7 as a prototype in PLAAF markings affects exactly none of their thinking.

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Read more: http://defensetech.org/2010/12/31/j-20-vs-f-35-one-analysts-perspective/#ixzz1AN0XrguV
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Well, Mr. Aboulafia could have gone less lenient by giving 1 point instead of 1.5 out of the 11 points, as the canard could reduce stealthy and #7 is only worthy 0.5. :lol:

My questions are: how much does Mr. Aboulafia know about PLAAF sensors (#1, #2), training (#5), robustness of air-fueling (#8), software ( #10), and maintenance (#11)? We all know that PLAAF has all these things. While it is recognized that they may perhaps not be as perfect as compare with those of USA, this funny expert gives all these items 0 point.

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There will be hard competition between them.
 
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Neither reports exaggerating the J-20's capabilities nor reports excessively bashing the J-20's capabilities are reliable since both are drive by sentiments, not rational thinking.
 
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So what does this author know about our early warning aircraft, software, maintainance, flight training and sensor integration? doesn't seem like he knows what hes talking about. Gave a list, bluntly says we don't have it, no evidence, makes a dumb joke, moves on. Insightful paper, would be rejected by my high school science lab.
 
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So what does this author know about our early warning aircraft, software, maintainance, flight training and sensor integration? doesn't seem like he knows what hes talking about. Gave a list, bluntly says we don't have it, no evidence, makes a dumb joke, moves on. Insightful paper, would be rejected by my high school science lab.

To be fair it is better to keep more people ignorant until the time comes for the weapons to be useful.
 
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we can say for sure no. 7 is done
but other things only china knows...
we may get more surprises till then we can only presume.. china not got other items
 
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Despite US, EU and Japanese embargoes on technology and weaponry, China has been able to build something. Of course the West does not want China becoming a military and technology powerhorse, so the west are jealous that China has been able to construct a prototype and many modern weaponry like the Aegis destroyers and frigates and the J 10 and now China is the current No 2 world economy. The west can bully and bash China, all these barking will not stop China becoming a world superpower not only economic but also a military one with only indigenous weaponry.:china::pakistan:
 
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It is simply not a sane comparison in my opinion. The F-35 is a primary strike and secondary air superiority fighter aircraft compared to the role this J-20 is going to play, which is of an F-22 Raptor counterpart. Now I cannot comment on how advanced Chinese radars or other electronic warfare technology is due to the secrecy factor, but judging by what is visible the J-20 can fly longer, carry more weapons internally and would be extremely maneuverable (the large canards, which also might affect stealth).

This has a certain advantage over the F-35. The dual engine adds to reliability factor especially over the sea battles.
 
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PLAAF! Crashed on ground... HAHAHA J-20 is just a wood made model to toss the international community.... And not finished at all! There's only two 6th gen jetfighters currently the Raptor and the PAK-FA !
 
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