I've studied nuclear war for 35 years -- you should be worried.

[Mentee]

Hi Mentee,

Dammmnnn---I thought it looked familiar----where did you find that.

@Signalian

Hi,

That was my original post on this forum---. Thanks to @Mentee .
Today at 4:05 AM#79

Shukria sir
The thread contains a quite controversial topic for many so I didn't mention the link, here it is

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...t-strike-capability-is-neutered.418571/page-2

 

[Ra's al Ghul]

Hi,

He is not an IDIOT---. There has been a nuclear strike---Japan---we have resources thru which we can analyze what the results of NUC war would be based upon our experience from conventional wars---.

I have written on this board about 10 years ago what a nuc war between india and pakistan do---.

The world would not be the same---.

The video does not really explain some parts of the aftermath---.

I have written in detail as to what will happen----if some member on this board can find my articles on this board and post them---I would appreciate that---or if I have time---I will write it.

sir will you plz share the link of that post/article. thanks

 

[MastanKhan]

sir will you plz share the link of that post/article. thanks

Hi,

Check out the link in above post #92---go to the first page---I wrote it in 2016

 

[Chaosmaster]

lol he is an idiot there has not been a nuclear war ever in the world. So how the fcuk he studied them for 35 years?

Even the only Nuclear bomb that was dropped by USA on Japan was not part of the war. USA dropped the bomb after Japan was defeated.

The Big bang happened 13.7 billion years ago and scientists still study it. So they can easily study an event that happened 37 years ago. And in case of nukes its not about what happened in the past. Its about what will happen if we use them which can be foreseen easily with all the test data and knowledge and tech that is available to us. So don't be a kid and understand the gravity of the situation.
Before war or after war, the outcome wouldn't change.

 

[BHarwana]

The Big bang happened 13.7 billion years ago and scientists still study it. So they can easily study an event that happened 37 years ago. And in case of nukes its not about what happened in the past. Its about what will happen if we use them which can be foreseen easily with all the test data and knowledge and tech that is available to us. So don't be a kid and understand the gravity of the situation.
Before war or after war, the outcome wouldn't change.

I can understand the concerns these academics radiate. My point here is also valid. suppose If India and Pakistan had no nuke how many war there would have been between us? Just look at the major war Pakistan and India had after nuclear tests. If these academics really want to create fear of world destruction then they should create fears about the weapons Lockheed Martin makes because those weapons have killed more humans than nukes. Here is the biggest example look at Iran and Iraq wars they continued and continued for ever until Sadam was over thrown because those 2 countries had no fear of other deterring.

In more simple words why is Russia no invading Europe and holding back because the fears of Nuclear deterrence. Academics are crying because nukes are making war mongering difficult and saving human lives. Academics are correct about the threat these nukes hold to the world but they should also consider the peace and stability these nukes have brought to the world.

 

[Ra's al Ghul]

Hi,

Check out the link in above post #92---go to the first page---I wrote it in 2016

but sir i am looking for the post which you wrote about the nuclear war aftermath in indo-pak scenario.
where you have wrote the remaining population of india , weather , survival , etc etc. something like that.
you have wrote it to reply to some indian member here. it was a lengthy post.
the post i am mentioning isnt in the link.

 

[MastanKhan]

but sir i am looking for the post which you wrote about the nuclear war aftermath in indo-pak scenario.
where you have wrote the remaining population of india , weather , survival , etc etc. something like that.
you have wrote it to reply to some indian member here. it was a lengthy post.
the post i am mentioning isnt in the link.

Hi,

I am sorry---I don't know which thread I wrote in on---.

 

[HannibalBarca]

but sir i am looking for the post which you wrote about the nuclear war aftermath in indo-pak scenario.
where you have wrote the remaining population of india , weather , survival , etc etc. something like that.
you have wrote it to reply to some indian member here. it was a lengthy post.
the post i am mentioning isnt in the link.

Hi,

Check out the link in above post #92---go to the first page---I wrote it in 2016

Hi,

I am sorry---I don't know which thread I wrote in on---.

I do...
Found it... I think

____________________

Hi,

Your post is clearly evident of the inherent stupidity of the indians regarding this issue.

As someone saif a long time ago---there will be other muslim nations---but there will not be another hindu nation.

It it came to pick and chose---would you rather be incinerated in an instant---or would you rather die of diarrhea----.

Letr me give you a scenario---after the first strike---there will be panic in large cities india---. Super markets will get crowded---people in panic would want to buy every thing---pretty soon the situation turn into a riot---it will start loot---plunder---arson----an accident here in the street and accident there on the street---would further add to the chaos---vehicles will be lit on fire---.

Roads could be blocked due to heavy traffic---that would create more chaos---cars and trucks and busses bumping into each other----every street corner will be looking at a mini riot---someone will blow up a transformer---light will go out---utilities will be effected---a fire here---a fire there---traffic blockage---no rescuers---hospitals will start getting packed with injured---.

Night time would bring out the worst of the worst---start more fire----rape loot and plunder----whole city square s on fire---people would want to get out of the cities---and there would be no roads that they could travel on because they would be clogged---.

Panic and chaos would also disrupt the train service and airports would not be any different.

In 24 hours after the start of chaos---the city would run out of water---the food would be running short----hospitals would be running out of medicines----toilets would start to pver flow---48 hours later---there would be stench of faces in the air---city covered with smoke from the fires still burning---markets without food and no water available---pharmacies plundered of medicine---a feel of disease would be felt spreading in the air in the city---.

Law enforcement would be helpless as there would be no communication---and most of the police force would have abandoned their posts to look after their families---.

After the passage of 72 hours---first cases related to gastric and fecal contamination would start to appear---and this is happening just because of the panic in a large city----the radiation has not hit yet.

On 4th and 5th day----cases of starvation are abundant---streets are getting filled up with feces, garbage and filth and smell of urine overpowers the air that is being breathed in---flies are everywhere---there are abundant cases of stomach disorder----the city is going out of control---.

Then a warm wind hits the city---warm dry wind---there are no birds in the air---because they have long gone----the warm wind travel thru all the city and passes thru leaving behind particles filled with radiation---the radiation penetrates thru all nooks and cranies and human souls and bodies hiding in in rooms and basements.

The first cases of radiation poisioing would start to show up in about 48 to 72 hours after that---they will be suffering from uncontrolable diarrhea---as the city is already in a stage of chaos---there will be no help for those who are suffering---slowly but steadily this scourage will take over every citizen of the city---and then one after the other----slowly but surely---they would start to die from this horrible sickness---bathed in their own body fluids---frolicking in their own excrements----.

I think that you would be better off being zapped in the first wave---because the end for your compatriots---who will be alive after the first strikes---would be terrible.


As for us---dust to dust---ashes to ashes---. I don't think that we will have the time to thank you for showing us the mercy of killing us instantly. But just think for a moment before your body takes those hideous and painful convulsion before letting go of the smelly discharge---could sanity have prevailed and thoughtful consideration made the difference.

___________________________

 

[MastanKhan]

I do...
Found it... I think

____________________

Hi,

Your post is clearly evident of the inherent stupidity of the indians regarding this issue.

As someone saif a long time ago---there will be other muslim nations---but there will not be another hindu nation.

It it came to pick and chose---would you rather be incinerated in an instant---or would you rather die of diarrhea----.

Letr me give you a scenario---after the first strike---there will be panic in large cities india---. Super markets will get crowded---people in panic would want to buy every thing---pretty soon the situation turn into a riot---it will start loot---plunder---arson----an accident here in the street and accident there on the street---would further add to the chaos---vehicles will be lit on fire---.

Roads could be blocked due to heavy traffic---that would create more chaos---cars and trucks and busses bumping into each other----every street corner will be looking at a mini riot---someone will blow up a transformer---light will go out---utilities will be effected---a fire here---a fire there---traffic blockage---no rescuers---hospitals will start getting packed with injured---.

Night time would bring out the worst of the worst---start more fire----rape loot and plunder----whole city square s on fire---people would want to get out of the cities---and there would be no roads that they could travel on because they would be clogged---.

Panic and chaos would also disrupt the train service and airports would not be any different.

In 24 hours after the start of chaos---the city would run out of water---the food would be running short----hospitals would be running out of medicines----toilets would start to pver flow---48 hours later---there would be stench of faces in the air---city covered with smoke from the fires still burning---markets without food and no water available---pharmacies plundered of medicine---a feel of disease would be felt spreading in the air in the city---.

Law enforcement would be helpless as there would be no communication---and most of the police force would have abandoned their posts to look after their families---.

After the passage of 72 hours---first cases related to gastric and fecal contamination would start to appear---and this is happening just because of the panic in a large city----the radiation has not hit yet.

On 4th and 5th day----cases of starvation are abundant---streets are getting filled up with feces, garbage and filth and smell of urine overpowers the air that is being breathed in---flies are everywhere---there are abundant cases of stomach disorder----the city is going out of control---.

Then a warm wind hits the city---warm dry wind---there are no birds in the air---because they have long gone----the warm wind travel thru all the city and passes thru leaving behind particles filled with radiation---the radiation penetrates thru all nooks and cranies and human souls and bodies hiding in in rooms and basements.

The first cases of radiation poisioing would start to show up in about 48 to 72 hours after that---they will be suffering from uncontrolable diarrhea---as the city is already in a stage of chaos---there will be no help for those who are suffering---slowly but steadily this scourage will take over every citizen of the city---and then one after the other----slowly but surely---they would start to die from this horrible sickness---bathed in their own body fluids---frolicking in their own excrements----.

I think that you would be better off being zapped in the first wave---because the end for your compatriots---who will be alive after the first strikes---would be terrible.


As for us---dust to dust---ashes to ashes---. I don't think that we will have the time to thank you for showing us the mercy of killing us instantly. But just think for a moment before your body takes those hideous and painful convulsion before letting go of the smelly discharge---could sanity have prevailed and thoughtful consideration made the difference.

___________________________

Hi,

Damn---I guess you did---thanks.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Hi,

Damn---I guess you did---thanks.

Wasn't hard... a search by date (2016) with the key word "nuclear"... + 2-3min and Job done.

 

[Jlaw]

lol he is an idiot there has not been a nuclear war ever in the world. So how the fcuk he studied them for 35 years?

Even the only Nuclear bomb that was dropped by USA on Japan was not part of the war. USA dropped the bomb after Japan was defeated.

Indeed idiotic. The two bombs dropped in Japan had more tonnage yield than all if India's nukes

 

[MastanKhan]

I can understand the concerns these academics radiate. My point here is also valid. suppose If India and Pakistan had no nuke how many war there would have been between us? Just look at the major war Pakistan and India had after nuclear tests. If these academics really want to create fear of world destruction then they should create fears about the weapons Lockheed Martin makes because those weapons have killed more humans than nukes. Here is the biggest example look at Iran and Iraq wars they continued and continued for ever until Sadam was over thrown because those 2 countries had no fear of other deterring.

In more simple words why is Russia no invading Europe and holding back because the fears of Nuclear deterrence. Academics are crying because nukes are making war mongering difficult and saving human lives. Academics are correct about the threat these nukes hold to the world but they should also consider the peace and stability these nukes have brought to the world.

Hi,

Indeed the nucs have stopped multiple wars---no doubt about that---. But then that is not the reason to stop the forward momentum---.

The nucs gave you the respite---it gave you the opportunity to develop something else---and that something else was the conventional force---.

But the problem was---that the nucs gave pakistanis an illusion of invincibility---well that invincibility was for a short time---because overtime---the enemy and its associates are working hard to neutralize your edge and they have gotten very very close.

That time period was for you to devlop your conventional force---but tragically due to the incompetence of your air force generals---your country failed miserably.

See---russian example is not good---. Russia has no reason to invade any country to start a nuclear war.

There are no two nations of the world like india / pakistan who could use nucs on each other---this conflict is for real---the others have " maybe yes---maybe no " types of conflicts---.

See---killing is not the primary issue---destroying the world as we know it of---is the issue---.

Deaths thru conventional weapons don't change the chemical and geographical infra structure of the world---nuc weapons change the life living in this world as we know of it---.

Once you understand the difference in deaths and consequences and after effects of these two different weapons---the nucs and conventional weapons---then you will begin to understand what I am saying.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Hi,

Indeed the nucs have stopped multiple wars---no doubt about that---. But then that is not the reason to stop the forward momentum---.

The nucs gave you the respite---it gave you the opportunity to develop something else---and that something else was the conventional force---.

But the problem was---that the nucs gave pakistanis an illusion of invincibility---well that invincibility was for a short time---because overtime---the enemy and its associates are working hard to neutralize your edge and they have gotten very very close.

That time period was for you to devlop your conventional force---but tragically due to the incompetence of your air force generals---your country failed miserably.

See---russian example is not good---. Russia has no reason to invade any country to start a nuclear war.

There are no two nations of the world like india / pakistan who could use nucs on each other---this conflict is for real---the others have " maybe yes---maybe no " types of conflicts---.

See---killing is not the primary issue---destroying the world as we know it of---is the issue---.

Deaths thru conventional weapons don't change the chemical and geographical infra structure of the world---nuc weapons change the life living in this world as we know of it---.

Once you understand the difference in deaths and consequences and after effects of these two different weapons---the nucs and conventional weapons---then you will begin to understand what I am saying.

Humans only understand by "feeling" it...
You can say whatever you want...if you don't feel it yourself, if you don't experience it yourself... nothing will change...
Some ask... Why are we repeating the same mistake of the past...Why not just reading History and get over it...
The answer is simple... or let's say the Q is legitimate...
"Why can't I feel it for myself?"

"I will not punish you till I send you a messenger to warn you..."

Newest Generation...need a "message" to understand the punishment and therefore it's consequences...and therefore meditate on it for the few generation after... A basic...simple Human circle...

 

[MastanKhan]

Humans only understand by "feeling" it...
You can say whatever you want...if you don't feel it yourself, if you don't experience it yourself... nothing will change...
Some ask... Why are we repeating the same mistake of the past...Why not just reading History and get over it...
The answer is simple... or let's say the Q is legitimate...
"Why can't I feel it for myself?"

"I will not punish you till I send you a messenger to warn you..."

Newest Generation...need a "message" to understand the punishment and therefore it's consequences...and therefore meditate on it for the few generation after... A basic...simple Human circle...

Hi,

Yessir---so very true---the analogy is---' as it has not happened to me---it does not happen---as I have not heard about it---it did not happen '.

 

[BHarwana]

Hi,

Indeed the nucs have stopped multiple wars---no doubt about that---. But then that is not the reason to stop the forward momentum---.

The nucs gave you the respite---it gave you the opportunity to develop something else---and that something else was the conventional force---.

But the problem was---that the nucs gave pakistanis an illusion of invincibility---well that invincibility was for a short time---because overtime---the enemy and its associates are working hard to neutralize your edge and they have gotten very very close.

That time period was for you to devlop your conventional force---but tragically due to the incompetence of your air force generals---your country failed miserably.

See---russian example is not good---. Russia has no reason to invade any country to start a nuclear war.

There are no two nations of the world like india / pakistan who could use nucs on each other---this conflict is for real---the others have " maybe yes---maybe no " types of conflicts---.

See---killing is not the primary issue---destroying the world as we know it of---is the issue---.

Deaths thru conventional weapons don't change the chemical and geographical infra structure of the world---nuc weapons change the life living in this world as we know of it---.

Once you understand the difference in deaths and consequences and after effects of these two different weapons---the nucs and conventional weapons---then you will begin to understand what I am saying.

Sir I agree with most of your post but here are few views from my side.

Sir first of what do you think Pakistan is? Here read this very care fully because this is some thing I am not going to state on this forum again.

Pakistan economically weak: check Agreed
Pakistan Air force not good: check Agreed
Pakistan lacks conventional force: check Agreed
Pakistan India Nuclear war will effect world: check Agreed

India 7X bigger than Pakistan: check Agreed
USA 100X bigger than Pakistan: check Agreed
USSR 150X bigger than Pakistan: check Agreed
Israel -7X smaller than Pakistan: check Agreed

India cannot fight Pakistan and lost territory to Pakistan in conventional war the area now known as AJK.
Soviet Union lost to Pakistan in Afghanistan and the country is now known as Russia
USA is loosing to Pakistan every day in Afghanistan and is crying daily to the world that Pakistan is not helping.
Israel lost to Pakistani Air force in 1967 war Pakistan still hold the uniform of Israeli pilot

All four above are conventional wars fought without nukes.

Now Pakistan is sandwich between India and USA. USA came to Afghanistan to invade Pakistan it has been 17 years USA is in Afghanistan and No progress on Pakistani invasion plan. Terrorist incursion failed badly. 4th gen information warfare failed badly. World war 3 economic war USA is losing.

I have just one question what is stopping India and USA from Invading Pakistan? There is no conventional force in Pakistan to deter USA and India so why are they not invading Pakistan what is stopping them. Because Pakistan has what that is stopping them? Please help me here. This year USA will spend $20 billion in Afghaistan to keep the dream of Invading Pakistan alive so why not make a move? What is stopping India from Invading Pakistan. I promis you I will quit PDF for ever and never argue with you just tell me who controls Pakistani nukes, just tell me the name of the man in charge. You cannot? I dare you. Pakistan is not a country that is hanging on the shelf of bestbuy or Massey's

Pakistan is not a country that like Iraq or Syria this is your biggest mistake. The very first nuke that was exploded on Japan and Manhattan project had Pakistani scientists in it. Pakistan shapes the world and does it as much as any other super power.

Here is some thing to inform you and please keep this in your mind for the rest of time the tactical nuclear weapons of Pakistan are also known as neutron bombs and the bad thing about them is that they use U-238 jacket and they are armed on Nasr missile and they leave no radiation. That is why Pakistan has will use Nasr in battle field because Pakistan has developed a weapon much more advance and radiation free. this bomb can wipe out entire armies with out any side effects to atmosphere. Plus the isotope junction of Pakistan tactical nukes is also designed to be with least residual radiation effects. Yes Pakistan will use nuclear weapons and on it's own territory so no one should have any problem with that and there will be no radiation please you can check my claims with research.

@MastanKhan sir there is a term for it and it is called Clean Nukes.