Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction: A Nuclear Weapon Race in Middle East?.

[usman_1112]

Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction: A Nuclear Weapon Race in Middle East?.
So long as any state has nuclear weapons others will want them. So long as any such weapons remain, there is a high risk that they will one day be used, by design or accident. And any such use would be catastrophic. (Canberra Commission on the Elimination of Nuclear Weapons). The war drums are again beating over Iran

Israel, the World’s Neglected Nuclear Nation. USA and its allies want to control [nuclear proliferation in] the whole Muslim world and everyone's asking in Muslim world now, 'What about Israel?"' South Africa acknowledged that, in the late 1970s, it created six nuclear bombs with the technical assistance of Israel. There is little doubt that Israeli nukes are among the world's most sophisticated and are largely designed for "war fighting" in the Middle East .

Ezar Weissman, Israel's EX President said "The nuclear issue is gaining momentum (and the) next war will not be conventional. Israeli nuclear expert Oded Brosh said in 1992, "...we need not be ashamed that the nuclear option is a major instrumentality of our defense as a deterrent against those who attack us."( Israel Shahak, Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies, London, 1997). Since the 1960s, when Israel produced its first A-bomb’s worth of plutonium, it has enjoyed a surprisingly long-lived monopoly on nuclear weapons in the Middle East. Now, with the nuclear resurgence of Iran, that monopoly could end, with consequences to the region that are difficult to foresee.

The International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed El Baradei regards Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons (Mohamed El Baradei (27 July 2004). Since the Gulf War in 1991, much attention has been lavished on an alleged threat from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, In 2002 blame on Pakistan (Dr.AQKhan WMD ring) to run a nuclear weapons black market and transfer of technology to Libya and North Korea. Now tunes is turned 2ward Iran while the major culprit in the region, Israel, has been largely ignored. It is now firmly Israel under the thrall of rightwing neocon nutjobs.The current Israeli government is pursuing a path of military craziness in the hopes of drawing the US into its own war.

Israel put defenses around its Dimona nuclear reactor on "red alert" 30 times as worries grew that Syria would avenge Israel's September 2007 attack on a suspected nuclear site in Syria. Since World War II, strikes to halt nuclear activities have taken place exclusively in the Middle East: Iraq was struck by Iran (1980), Israel (1981) the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad in 1981. That strike, which destroyed the facility in under 100 seconds, was completed without Israeli losses and checked Iraqi ambitions for a nuclear weapons programme. and the US (1991, 2003), while Iraq bombed Iran (1984 to 1987) and Israel (1991). But raids never generated significant radiological consequences, because plants were under construction, contained inconsequential amounts of nuclear material, had radioactive elements removed prior to the attack, or because the attacker missed the mark. With the CTBT in limbo and the NPT being steadily eroded; with North Korea's bomb test and Iran's nuclear plans.

Israel is widely believed to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). United Nations. Background information. (Retrieved on 2006-07-02.) Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It took part in a regional conference with the Union for the Mediterranean – including majority-Arab states – on 13 July 2008 to remove all weapons of mass destruction from the Middle East. .Sources (43 nations to seek Middle East free of WMDs". San Francisco Chronicle. 2008-07-13)

"Israel gets the benefit of being perceived as a nuclear power while at the same time not enduring potential punishment [by the international community]." Israel and South Africa jointly tested a nuclear weapon in 1979. Obama administration officials and the media issued a blizzard of contradictory claims over Iran’s alleged nuclear threat, leaving one wondering who is really in charge of US foreign policy?
The new CIA director, Leon Panetta, said in an interview, `there is no question, they (Iran) are seeking that (nuclear weapons) capability.’

Pentagon chief Adm. Mike Mullen claimed Iran had `enough fissile material to build a bomb.’ Fox News trumpeted that Iran already had 50 nuclear weapons.

The czar of all 16 US intelligence agencies, Adm. Dennis Blair, stated Iran could have enough enriched uranium for one atomic weapon by 2010-2015. But he reaffirmed the 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate that Iran does not have nuclear weapons and is not pursuing them. Defense Secretary Robert Gates backed up Blair. So did the UN nuclear agency.

Pentagon chief Adm. Mike Mullen claimed in 24th May Iran will has nukes in 3 years but why Mullen is not worries with 400 jews bombs why too much contrdaction and double standard.
Today, some 15 nations produce low grade enriched uranium 235(LEU-235) , including Brazil, Argentina, Germany, France, and Japan. Experts believe Japan could produce a nuclear warhead in within three months, if it so decided. Israel and South Africa jointly tested a nuclear weapon in 1979.

The stage is set for a chain of events that could lead to nuclear war over weapons of Mass Destruction in the immediate future. If these events unfold, the trigger will be Israel, the target Iran, the nuclear aggressor the U.S. three of Iran’s major neighbors—India, Israel, and Pakistan—have already proliferated. It also must deal with the presence of two outside nuclear powers: Russia near its northern border and the United States in the Gulf. A worst case scenario it is. If Israel attacks on Iran, the entire Middle East could turn against it and a world war three started in near future. www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/52674/iran

” Should war break out in the Middle East again... or should any Muslim nation fire missiles against Israel, as the Iraqis did, a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong probability." Nuclear arms race in the Middle East. (Seymour Hersh, The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, New York,1991, Random House) Every one in western society is saying that’s Iran’s nuclear program will inspire countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt to do the same; they fear Iranian supremacy and will do everything in their power to restore the balance of power. Why these countries are not inspired by Israel supremacy and do everything to obtain the nuclear nukes. Israel has accused Iran of developing Nuclear weapons, but has never acknowledged its own programmed to develop weapons of mass destruction why USA and European Union and UN have double Standard.

French and South Africans were primarily responsible for the Israeli nuclear program; the U.S. deserves a large part of the blame. As payment for Israeli participation in the Suez Crisis of 1956, France provided nuclear expertise and constructed a reactor complex for Israel at Dimona capable of large-scale plutonium production and reprocessing. The United States discovered the facility by 1958 and it was a subject of continual discussions between American presidents and Israeli prime ministers. U.S. was heavily involved in developing Israel's nuclear capability, training Israeli nuclear scientists and providing nuclear-related technology, including a small "research" reactor in 1955 under the "Atoms for Peace" program. Israel developed its nuclear program with the help of Norwegian heavy water and between 1976 and 1985. In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of nuclear weapons Vanunu's Fifth Year Of Restrictions Begins And Norway Caves By Eileen Fleming

The country that has the tremendous arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East is not a single Muslim country, but Israel. The country that has the greatest record of defying the U.N. Security Council and the world community is not any Muslim State, but Israel. The country history will hold responsible for initiating and fueling the arms race in the Middle East more than any other is not Arab or Muslim, but rather the Jewish State of Israel.

American U-2 spy planes in 1958 confirmed the existence of Israel's Dimona nuclear complex, located in the Negev desert.On September 22, 1979, a U.S. satellite detected an atmospheric test of a small thermonuclear bomb in the Indian Ocean off South Africa, but because of Israel's involvement the report was quickly whitewashed by a carefully selected scientific panel, kept in the dark about important details. Later it was Learned through Israeli sources that there were actually three tests of miniaturized Israeli nuclear artillery shells. www.nytimes.com/cfr/international/slot2 _021506.html

Since the Gulf War in 1991, while much attention has been lavished on the threat posed by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the major culprit in the region, Israel, has been largely ignored. Possessing chemical and biological weapons, an extremely sophisticated nuclear arsenal, and an aggressive strategy for their actual use. much of what the outside world knows about Israel's nuclear capabilities came from Mordechai Vanunu, a nuclear technician who worked at Dimona and leaked details of the program to the British press in 1986. For his actions, he was sentenced for treason and espionage and spent eighteen years behind bars in Israel, eleven of them in solitary confinement, he was released in April 2004 and ordered not to speak to foreigners or leave the country. Mordechai Vanunu Speaks about Space Weapons and Nuclear Weapons

The Israeli nuclear program began in the late 1940s under the direction of Ernst David Bergmann, "the father of the Israeli bomb," who in 1952 established the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission. It was France, however, which provided the bulk of early nuclear assistance to Israel culminating in construction of Dimona, a heavy water moderated, natural uranium reactor and plutonium reprocessing factory situated near Bersheeba in the Negev Desert. Israel had been an active participant in the French Nuclear weapons program from its inception, providing critical technical expertise, and the Israeli nuclear program can be seen as an extension of this earlier collaboration.
www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion editorials/

Dimona went on line in 1964 and plutonium reprocessing began shortly thereafter. Despite various Israeli claims that Dimona was "a manganese plant, or a textile factory," the extreme security measures employed told a far different story. In 1967, Israel shot down one of their own Mirage fighters that approached too close to Dimona and in 1973 shot down a Lybian civilian airliner which strayed off course, killing 104 people on board.
Should Israel Close Dimona? The Radiological Consequences of a Military Strike on Israel?s Plutonium-Production Reactor | Arms Control Association

In a report published on 4 August 2005, the BBC revealed evidence from the British National Archives that showed that the UK sold 20 tons of heavy water to Israel for £1.5 million in 1958. The heavy water, surplus from a shipment purchased by the UK from Norway in 1956, was for use in Israel's Dimona reactor.

The cornerstone of in 2003 argument was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Now, the concern over such an arsenal has shifted to Iraq's neighbor, Iran, which the United States suspects of trying to develop a nuclear-weapons program The mystery of Iran's nuclear plans has deepened, and the prospects of war seem to have receded, with the publication of a new United States intelligence report. But this is only one episode of an unfolding story. Iran's interaction both with the EU/E3, and with the IAEA and the US, became more confrontational. Former U.S. weapons inspector David Kay said the Bush administration's current rhetoric on Iran is "very, very similar" to what it was about on Iraq.U.S./Iran: Former Weapons Inspector Says U.S. Must Avoid Mistakes of Iraq

The first rumours about Iran's nuclear military ambitions emerged in 2002. By June 2003, the International Atomic Energy Agency, after inspections at Natanz and Arak, confirmed Iran's fissile activities and recommended that Iran sign the additional protocol to the 1970 nuclear non-proliferation treaty (to which the country was and is a signatory). By October 2003 - lightning-speed in diplomatic terms - the EU signed an agreement with Tehran through the joint efforts of Britain, France, and Germany. By spring 2004, however, both the US and the IAEA independently denounced Iran's erratic behaviour with regard to the Tehran agreement.

By January 2006, Iran had again resumed enrichment, and by February the country was effectively referred to the UN Security Council. By 29 March, Iran was given another deadline one month hence; this it ignored. The EU/E3 then submitted a draft resolution to the UN to curtail Iran by means of sanctions. After prolonged debate, and Russian and Chinese amendments, Resolution 1737 was unanimously adopted by the UN Security Council on 23 December 2006. Yet the data on Iranian nuclear weapons efforts remain uncertain.

The summary reporting by the IAEA has not stated that there is decisive evidence that Iran is seeking such weapons, even though the detailed disclosures in IAEA reporting since 2002 strongly indicate that it is likely that Iran is continuing to covertly seek nuclear technology. Neither the United States nor its European allies have yet released detailed white papers on their intelligence analysis of Iranian efforts, and there have been several press reports that the U.S. intelligence community believes that its knowledge of the Iranian nuclear program is less than adequate to make the case for where, when, and how the Iranians will acquire a nuclear weapon.

One estimate, by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), puts its arsenal at around 200 nuclear warheads, which would make Israel the sixth-largest nuclear power. These warheads can be launched by air (F-16s and F-15Es), by ground (intermediate-range ballistic missiles like the Jericho II), or by sea (U.S.-made Harpoon missiles based on diesel-powered submarines or ships). Experts say Israeli missiles can reach Libya, Iran, or Russia. It is also believed Israel possesses at least 100 bunker-busting bombs—so-called mini-nukes—which are laser-guided and capable of penetrating underground targets like nuclear labs or storage facilities for weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
Israel's Nuclear Weapons

Israel's latest Jericho III high-impact ballistic missile technology is capable of delivering nuclear warheads to a distance of up to 7,000 km, and at an exceptionally high impact speed, enabling it to avoid any ballistic missile defenses
Sources (Israel Missile Update - 2005)

But as diplomatic pressure intensifies on Iran, new attention has been focused on Israel's nuclear capabilities and the challenges its program poses for peace in the Middle East. it would take Iran—or any state in the region—decades to match Israel's level of nuclear warheads.

It expose the grotesque double standard which sees the U.S. and Europe on the one hand condemning Iran for developing weapons of mass destruction, while simultaneously protecting and enabling the principal culprit Israel. the primary destabilizing dynamic driving the Middle East arms race and compelling the region's states to each seek their own "deterrent."

Nuclear weapons today present tremendous dangers…reliance on nuclear weapons for [deterrence] is becoming increasingly hazardous and decreasingly effective…Reassertion of a world free of nuclear weapons and practical measures toward achieving that goal would be, and would be perceived as, a bold initiative consistent with America's moral heritage.

The IAEA safeguards system which immediately supports it, but as a whole constellation of mutually reinforcing elements, including the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) which has still not entered into force because a number of designated states have failed to ratify (including China, North Korea, India, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, and, indefensibly, the United States) and the long-hoped for Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty (FMCT) designed to ban any further production of weapons-usable highly enriched uranium and plutonium, but negotiations on which have been stalled for years.

(1)Facility Uranium Mine, Purpose extracting uranium ore, Location- Saghand, Status operational in 2004.
(2) Facility Uranium Hexafluoride Conversion Plant, Purpose, uranium conversion, Location - Isfahan and Kashan
(3) Facility, Gas Centrifuge Pilot Plant, Purpose, uranium enrichment, Location - Natanz
(4) Facility, Gas Centrifuge Commercial Plant, Purpose, uranium enrichment,Location - Natanz
(5) Facility Gas Centrifuge Auxiliary Plant, Purpose, uranium enrichment, LocationLashkar-Abad, near Hashtgerd
(6) Facility Gas Centrifuge Auxiliary Plant, Purpose, uranium enrichment, radioisotope production, Location Ramandeh
(7) Facility Heavy Water Production Plant, Purpose, produces heavy water, used asamoderator in nuclear reactors, , Location-Arak
(8) Facility Light Water Power Reactor (1,000 MWe), Purpose, electricity production
Location-Bushehr.
(9) Facility -Tehran Research Reactor (5,000 kWt), Purpose, radioisotope production
Location- Tehran.
(10) Facility- Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (30 kWt), Purpose- for isotope production- Location- Isfahan
(11) Facility- Heavy Water Zero Power Reactor, Purpose- research, - Location- Isfahan.
(12) Facility- Graphite Sub-Critical Reactor, Purpose- research, - Location- Isfahan.
(13) Facility- Light Water Sub-critical Reactor, Purpose- research, - Location- Isfahan.

Officials believe that Israel could be required to hit more than a dozen targets, including moving convoys. The sites include Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges produce enriched uranium; Esfahan, where 250 tonnes of gas is stored in tunnels; and Arak, where a heavy water reactor produces plutonium.

The distance from Israel to at least one of the sites is more than 870 miles, a distance that the Israeli force practised covering in a training exercise last year that involved F15 and F16 jets, helicopters and refuelling tankers. “Israel has made it clear that it will not tolerate the threat of a nuclear Iran. According to Israeli Intelligence they will have the bomb within two years ... Once they have a bomb it will be too late, and Israel will have no choice to strike — with or without America,”

the United Nations, the United States and the European Union have hit a total of 175 Iranian individuals and organizations with financial penalties(*). This punishment, meted out in stages since 2005, has been the world’s main response to Iran’s efforts to develop long-range missiles and the ability to arm them with nuclear warheads. The Iranian entities punished are all thought to be linked to these efforts. The punishment has largely meant freezing the assets of the entities and prohibiting virtually all transactions with them.

The U.S., the U.N. and the E.U. have not all chosen the same targets. The U.N. Security Council has approved resolutions requiring member states to freeze the assets of 76 entities; the United States has frozen the assets of 114 by executive order (**); and the European Union has implemented financial sanctions against 115, including all 76 designated by the UN. Just see the double standard of UN and USA, EU for biggest violator is free (Israel) from any sanctions.

"The third element in our defense policy for the 1980s is our determination to prevent confrontation states from gaining access to nuclear weapons. Israel cannot afford the introduction of the nuclear weapon. For us it is not a question of balance of terror but a question of survival. We shall therefore have to prevent such a threat at its inception."Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon 15 December 1981.

So better Israel are going to do suicide if he is really going to attack on Iran nuclear sites, basically why Pakistan situation is going worst by Israel Mossad and Indian RAW collaborations with Afghan KHAD (intelligence agencies) in balouchistan and Tribal areas .Pakistan is going to station the Nuclear war heads in Saudi – Arabia and Iran if attack happen by Israel and USA against Iranian peace fully nuclear programmers.

Why EU and USA Special Envoy came to Pakistan, bascailly they want surety from Pakistan that he will not give the nukes to Islamic country Iran for retaliation against Israel, 2nd doing Proxy war in Pakistan by Israel mean direct talk with Pakistan to and get surety that’s his nukes are against India not a Islamic bomb.

Obama, EU and UN must call the regional conference where all GCC, Middle East, India, Pakistan Iran, Israel including (china, Russia) participate and get simple answer free Middle East and Gulf Region from weapon of mass destruction. Israel and Iran destroyed their weapon of mass destruction if they exist, for better tomorrow and sake of their future generations.
Usman Karim based in Lahore Pakistan lmno25@hotmail.com

 

[MastanKhan]

" So better Israel are going to do suicide if he is really going to attack on Iran nuclear sites, basically why Pakistan situation is going worst by Israel Mossad and Indian RAW collaborations with Afghan KHAD (intelligence agencies) in balouchistan and Tribal areas .Pakistan is going to station the Nuclear war heads in Saudi – Arabia and Iran if attack happen by Israel and USA against Iranian peace fully nuclear programmers ".




Hi,

If this is your analysis---then you are not properly informed---pakistan is not going to station any warheads anywhere---niether it has the capability or it has the ability----nor would saudia arabia allow it to happen for the sake of protecting iran.

I believe that the pakistanis living in pakistan have a lots of misconceptions about the abilities and capabilities of pakistan.

The bottomline is that talking about the abilities and capabilities of israeli nuclear program are not going to do any good to the " muslim ummah ". Israel is not going to stop----and the ummah is going to waste its breath and after a little bit of huffing and puffing---they will be side lined.

Iran, for the longest period of time has chosen to stand alone by itself---and that is the way it will be.

 

[nightcrawler]

Here is the document you must read to get a clear backgroung of nuclear facilities existing today & or were existing in the Middle East
an-overview-of-nuclear-facilit IRAN, ISRAEL AND TURKEY.zip

 

[usman_1112]

ok see khan shaib it's matter of time who will cry and who will stay side lines ok.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Indeed time is a great equalizer---and we don't argue about that----but what I am trying to get to is---what you have posted---is not making any sense---there is no head or toe to this article---it keeps jumping from thing to another----there is no fluidity in what you want to state---there are too many references.

Just by stating that time will tell---won't fly over here---there are a lots of pros on this web-site---you need to tell how and what pakistan, saudi arabia, iran would do and what they have to accomplish those goals.

What reason is there for pakistan to transfer their nukes to another country and why would saudi arabia accep t them in the first place. What capabilities the saudis have to maintain and manage nukes.

The most important thing is why should such a topic be brought up at such a critical time.

Last but not the least---I am not a " Sahib "---I would request all members to address me by my first--last--or the whole screen name. I thankyou for your consideration.

 

[A4humans]

Israel is not one of the but the only most coward nation on the face of earth. So we shud not discuss that bloody nation. Israel is not a country but a bunch of stupid personnals who are biggest terrorists.

 

[TOPGUN]

I would like to know wat are IAF 's nuke delivery sys by air??

 

[AirforcePilot]

I would like to know wat are IAF 's nuke delivery sys by air??

Israel is widely believed to posses 250-300 nuclear weapons, along with their delivery systems which include the Yariho ( Jericho ) missiles and the long-range F-15 and F-16 fighter warplanes.

 

[Jihad]

Fricking 250-300 nuclear warheads and yet they complain and try and make Iran look like a dangerous state run by crazy people who will push the button whenever they can.

Israel is allowed do to whatever it likes, and I blame the Americans only for this.
It's so sad.

 

[gambit]

Fricking 250-300 nuclear warheads and yet they complain and try and make Iran look like a dangerous state run by crazy people who will push the button whenever they can.

Israel is allowed do to whatever it likes, and I blame the Americans only for this.
It's so sad.

What good will that do? What Iran should do is to defy world opinion and make a surprise attack on Israel. A conventional attack, thus giving Israel no justifications to retaliate with nuclear weapons. The Obama administration is giving out signs that the US will throw Israel under the proverbial bus. A surprise attack will give Iran enormous prestige in the ME as the one country brave enough to defy the US, or at least shrewd enough to take advantage of US changing attitude to Israel. Failure to attack at this highly opportunistic moment will result in Iran looking weak and unobservant of local politics. Iran should make it clear to the muslim world that the plight of the Palestinians is worth plunging the region, and possibly the world, into another global war.

 

[AirforcePilot]

What good will that do? What Iran should do is to defy world opinion and make a surprise attack on Israel. A conventional attack, thus giving Israel no justifications to retaliate with nuclear weapons. The Obama administration is giving out signs that the US will throw Israel under the proverbial bus. A surprise attack will give Iran enormous prestige in the ME as the one country brave enough to defy the US, or at least shrewd enough to take advantage of US changing attitude to Israel. Failure to attack at this highly opportunistic moment will result in Iran looking weak and unobservant of local politics. Iran should make it clear to the muslim world that the plight of the Palestinians is worth plunging the region, and possibly the world, into another global war.

Israel started its biggest emergency drill in the nation's history Sunday to prepare civilians, soldiers and rescue crews for the possibility of war, the defense force said in a statement

The five-day drill, nicknamed Turning Point 3, comes amid the nation's rising tensions with Iran.

It will be conducted in public facilities, including schools, military bases and government offices. Students, soldiers and other civilians will practice how to gather at protected places during an emergency.

Officials said the drill will include simulated rockets, air raids and other attacks on infrastructure and essential facilities, and use of weapons on civilians.

Everyone is expected to go to a protected place at the sound of sirens, the defense force said, adding that more instructions will be broadcast on a public channel.

"It is of great importance that every civilian, institute and workplace will seriously practice in order to improve our preparedness and national resilience," Maj. Gen. Yair Golan of the Home Front Command said in a news statement.

The move comes amid tension between Israel and Tehran.

The Israeli government considers Iran's nuclear program as the dominant threat facing the country. Israel is publicly supportive of President Barack Obama administration's outreach to the Islamic state.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio last week that he believes "that the chance the dialogue has of stopping Iran's nuclear efforts is very low."

Barak's views are keeping with the majority of his countrymen.

An Israeli poll released this month found that 74 percent believe that the U.S. policy of engagement with Iran will fail and 81 percent think Iran will develop a nuclear weapon capability.

Israel has conducted emergency drills the past two years, but officials said this is the biggest so far.

Gambit, I think Israel is planning something. They might fly into Iran to destroy as many nuke facilities as they can. Any military action by Israel or Iran will result in a global war. Let's hope both sides use their heads and avoid any military confrontation.

 

[gambit]

Gambit, I think Israel is planning something. They might fly into Iran to destroy as many nuke facilities as they can. Any military action by Israel or Iran will result in a global war. Let's hope both sides use their heads and avoid any military confrontation.

I met a few Israeli pilots when they stopped by MacDill. The Israelis always have some plans. Iraq is closer to Israel and Saddam could do nothing after the Israeli Air Force bombed Osirak. No one came to Iraq's assistance. Just about everyone there is more afraid of Iran than of Israel. Saddam's nuclear ambitions was not destroyed by Osirak, only retarded, but Osirak exposed the disunity among the muslim countries when it comes to Israel.

If Israel does decide to 'do something' about Iran's nuclear facilities, my take is that no one will come to Iran's assistance. The Iranian leadership knows this strong possibility. Israel is not out to 'wipe Iran off the map' but does believe that Iran is out to do just that to Israel. As long as Israel is capable of making hit-and-run attacks successful against Iranian nuclear facilities, retardation of Iranian nuclear progress will be enough for Israel to declare victory. This is why Iran must be the first one to fire and the salvo must be devastating.

 

[forcetrip]

What good will that do? What Iran should do is to defy world opinion and make a surprise attack on Israel. A conventional attack, thus giving Israel no justifications to retaliate with nuclear weapons. The Obama administration is giving out signs that the US will throw Israel under the proverbial bus. A surprise attack will give Iran enormous prestige in the ME as the one country brave enough to defy the US, or at least shrewd enough to take advantage of US changing attitude to Israel. Failure to attack at this highly opportunistic moment will result in Iran looking weak and unobservant of local politics. Iran should make it clear to the muslim world that the plight of the Palestinians is worth plunging the region, and possibly the world, into another global war.

I couldnt help but laugh.. Preemptive strike versus israel? I think that was tried once before .. By a lot more people .. People that were a lot closer to the Israeli border.. and Israel was a lot weaker compared to now .. I guess this one is gonna be called the 38 min war ..

 

[Patriot]

Agreed..no country in Mid East can even think about attacking Israel it is very strong unless Arabs military gets off their crackpipe and become strong...and Usman Pakistan is not going to side with Arabs.First of all we don't have any conflict with Israel so why do we drag our *** in it?We have more then enough problems at home.If you want to put your *** on the online for Arabs then go ahead join Hizbullah.

 

[gambit]

Agreed..no country in Mid East can even think about attacking Israel it is very strong unless Arabs military gets off their crackpipe and become strong...and Usman Pakistan is not going to side with Arabs.First of all we don't have any conflict with Israel so why do we drag our *** in it?We have more then enough problems at home.If you want to put your *** on the online for Arabs then go ahead join Hizbullah.

This has nothing to do with the military.

Did you know that the US is the largest singular donor to the Palestinians?

UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT - USAID - WEST BANK & GAZA

The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed an estimated $2.2 billion through USAID since 1993. Funding has supported programs in the areas of water and sanitation, infrastructure, education, health, economic growth, and democracy. The United States also is committed to continuing assistance for basic human needs in both the West Bank and Gaza, including emergency food, health care, and access to safe water. In Gaza, much of this is accomplished through the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and local and international nongovernmental organizations (NGOs).

Every leader in the region has visions and dreams of being the next Saladin and unite the ME under his rule, obstensibly benevolent. The problem is that every one of them is a petty despot and the thing a despot fear the most is to lose whatever he gained, by hook or by crook.

Israel is not out to subjugate the ME under Judaism and all these petty despots knows it. On the other hand, Saddam Hussein once proposed Iraq and Syria unite into one country, under Saddam's rule of course, that would lead the ME to a new renaissance. No surprise that clan Assad refused to get in with the deal. Then we have the Sunni-Shia dispute on who is or is not a 'legit' muslim. The dispute have gotten quite bloody, recently in Iraq. Who needs the Mossad to sow discord among the muslims when it is the muslims themselves who have been carrying this family feud since the 7th century?

None of these petty despots will follow anyone's lead in any war against Israel today, even if Israel is the first to fire. To follow such a call for revenge would imply, no matter how superficial, that so-and-such a country is subservient to the one who issued the call. Saddam proved that greed for oil wealth trumped respect for his fellow muslims with his invasion of Kuwait. All love their Ferraris and Western blond bimbos too much and the mullahs from Iran threatens these oil sheiks' decadent lifestyles. This is the inconvenient truth -- that it is neither religion nor politics that divide the muslims but the love of f!lthy lucre and the Western luxuries that money can buy.

So these petty despots will continue to exploit the Palestinians, actively working but behind the scenes to deny the existence of any possible compromise that could end in a peace treaty that would lead to a viable two-states solution. The last time such a possibility existed, Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar told Arafat to his face that to refuse the Jews' offer, it would be 'criminal'. If the plight of the Palestinians mattered that much to these leaders, that worry would have shamed them into giving the Palestinians more aid and responsible leadership than what the Palestinians have been living under. Instead, after the passing of Arafat, Fatah and Hamas did an 'OK Corral' in front of a shocked global audience while Hezbollah annoyed the Jews by ineffectually lobbed homemade rockets into Israel.

If Israel violated several territorial airspaces on the way to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, there will be plenty of spittle spewing at various UN podiums in condemnations at the Jews. But it will be nothing than a necessary dog-and-pony show. The Arab militaries will increase their vigilance, aided by US reconnaissance assets in the region, and deny the Iranians their chance at giving Israel a taste of what Israel meted out. No one want to be sucked into a conflict that may threaten the Ferraris in their climate controlled garages. The Jews are not after the cars and they got plenty of beautiful women who are not threatened with stonings into hiding their goodies, I seen them meself. But if the Iranians win with any Arab support -- kiss the Ferraris and the girls good-bye.