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Israel risks becoming apartheid state if peace talks fail, says John Kerry

It is believed to be the first time a US official of Kerry's standing has used the term 'apartheid' in the context of Israel

Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem
The Guardian, Tuesday 29 April 2014

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John Kerry, the US secretary of state. Photograph: Alex Wong/Getty Images

The US secretary of state, John Kerry, has warned in a closed-door meeting in Washington that Israel risks becoming an "apartheid state" if US-sponsored efforts to reach an Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement fail.

In an apparent sign of Kerry's deep frustration over the almost certain collapse of the current nine-month round of peace talks – due to conclude on Tuesday – he blamed both sides for the lack of progress and said failure could lead to a resumption of Palestinian violence against Israeli citizens.

The remarks were made on Friday at the Trilateral Commission, a non-governmental organisation of experts and officials from the US, western Europe, Russia and Japan. A recording was acquired by the Daily Beastwebsite.

Kerry also suggested that a change of either Israeli or Palestinian leadership might create more favourable conditions for peace and the final, long-delayed agreement on the shape of a Palestinian state.

Aftewards, as a public storm grew around the remarks, Kerry issued a statement regretting the use of the word apartheid, saying it had opened him to "partisan political" attacks.

"If I could rewind the tape, I would have chosen a different word," he said.

Israeli leaders had made similar points in the past but "apartheid [is] a word best left out of the debate here at home", Kerry said.

Regardless of the apology, Kerry's remarks represent a significant departure, as senior US officials historically have avoided the word "apartheid" relating to Israeli policies. It is believed to be the first time a US official of Kerry's standing has used the contentious term in the context of Israel, even if only as a warning for the future.

The Emergency Committee for Israel, whose chairman is the prominent neo-conservative William Kristol, said: "On Friday secretary of state John Kerry raised the spectre of Israel as an 'apartheid state'. Even Barack Obama condemned the use of this term when running for president in 2008. It is no longer enough for the White House to clean up after the messes John Kerry has made. It is time for John Kerry to step down as secretary of state, or for President Obama to fire him."

Although the danger to Israel of a failure to move towards a two-state solution has been framed by Israeli politicians in terms similar to those used by Kerry, US officials have long been wary of following suit. When the former president Jimmy Carter used it for the tile of his 2006 book Palestine: Peace or Apartheid it caused controversy.

Kerry's comments reflect similar recent warnings to Israel from western diplomats that the collapse of the peace talks might lead to the country's increasing isolation.

Kerry said: "A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second-class citizens – or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state.

"Once you put that frame in your mind, that reality, which is the bottom line, you understand how imperative it is to get to the two-state solution, which both leaders, even yesterday, said they remain deeply committed to."

Kerry has had a sometimes strained relationship with some senior Israeli officials as the peace talks have become gridlocked. In January Israel's defence minister, Moshe Ya'alon, described Kerry as "obsessive and messianic".

In 2008 in an interview during his election campaign, Barack Obama explicitly rejected "injecting a term like apartheid" into the discussion over Israel and Palestine. "It's emotionally loaded, historically inaccurate, and it's not what I believe," he said.

Attempting to defuse the row, Jen Psaki, spokesperson for the US state department, said: "Secretary Kerry, like justice minister Livni and previous Israeli prime ministers Olmert and Barak, was reiterating why there's no such thing as a one-state solution if you believe, as he does, in the principle of a Jewish state.

"[Kerry] was talking about the kind of future Israel wants and the kind of future both Israelis and Palestinians would want to envision. The only way to have two nations and two peoples living side by side in peace and security is through a two-state solution. And without a two-state solution, the level of prosperity and security the Israeli and Palestinian people deserve isn't possible."

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Well Israel treatment for its Arab citizens is better than how Iranian Ayatullahs treat its Sunni citizens.

No?
 
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Well Israel treatment for its Arab citizens is better than how Iranian Ayatullahs treat its Sunni citizens.

No?
And how Iran treats its Sunni citizens is much better than how KSA and Pakistan treat their shia citizens ;) That's a crystal clear fact...
Although I have serious objections to Iran's government regarding preserving minority rights, and I believe that all Middle-Eastern countries are run like savage lands, but, it is still funny for me if you even compare Iran with KSA, or ...
 
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And how Iran treats its Sunni citizens is much better than how KSA and Pakistan treat their shia citizens ;) That's a crystal clear fact...
Although I have serious objections to Iran's government regarding preserving minority rights, and I believe that all Middle-Eastern countries are run like savage lands, but, it is still funny for me if you even compare Iran with KSA, or ...

Oh man don't even bring that topic up.

Saudis are about to murder the big name Shia Mullah there
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Pakistan has most terrible record on protecting our shias and other minorities.

Thanks for bringing that up.

I should have mentioned it in the prev post.
 
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And how Iran treats its Sunni citizens is much better than how KSA and Pakistan treat their shia citizens ;) That's a crystal clear fact...
Although I have serious objections to Iran's government regarding preserving minority rights, and I believe that all Middle-Eastern countries are run like savage lands, but, it is still funny for me if you even compare Iran with KSA, or ...

That's a HUGE big lie. Shia's have all the rights available to them. Their own mosques, clerics, religious law's. They are never targeted either. Can you mention any attacks on Shias? No you can't because they don't exist. They are even overrepresented in the Shura Council. They also live in a wealthy area of the country and usually are doing great economically.

On the other hand all Sunnis in Iran are regularly oppressed and executed due to false claims of "separatism". Their basic rights such as language etc. denied. Living in total poverty as well.

That's why your country is a poor, isolated and sanctioned pariah state and why KSA is not.

Well Israel treatment for its Arab citizens is better than how Iranian Ayatullahs treat its Sunni citizens.

No?

How can you after all compare Israel with all its faults with a pariah state like Iran that is only comparable to North Korea?

That's not the topic either.
 
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And how Iran treats its Sunni citizens is much better than how KSA and Pakistan treat their shia citizens ;) That's a crystal clear fact...
Although I have serious objections to Iran's government regarding preserving minority rights, and I believe that all Middle-Eastern countries are run like savage lands, but, it is still funny for me if you even compare Iran with KSA, or ...

I cannot comment on KSA, but you really need to get a good grip on reality... Most of Pakistan's political elite in PPP and MQM and even PML are Shia.

The Shia community in Pakistan do enjoy equal status. That being said, there are many terrorist outfits who desire to create friction, like TTP, BLA, LeJ - but we know where they get their funding from...
 
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Umm, the thread was meant to discuss Israel, not bash KSA, Iran and Pakistan :undecided:
 
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@FaujHistorian ruined a potentially cracker of a thread :(

Anyway, its just wrong for any state to ill treat their citizens, be it Israel, India, Thailand, Phillipines, Burma, Sri Lanka, Russia, China etc or even the 50 odd muslims countries, who, as any reasonable muslim poster would agree, have an equally bad if not worse record in this aspect.

We need to work with our own governments to improve matters, as to put it bluntly, thats the only thing we can do. Thats also the most efficient use of our resources we are willing to spend to pursue the cause. Trying to preach to other countries is just political point scoring, and its often done by people who are morally weak themselves, i.e. themselves justify ill treatment in their own countries.
 
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