I don't see any difference between Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia. All those countries should declare secularism and remove religious authority from their laws.
From an enlightened guy in a land
that may soon see the reverse???
Steadfast and courageous!
He means that the Brits "gave" it
to Jews but not
Israëlis as Israël
didn't exist at the time.
But as we touched on time, let's
see if a contextual example helps.
As this is much a Jews vs Muslims
thing so far, I'll pick a French guy
like me that we'll call TT
( Theoretical Tay ) :
Born nowadays, TT is for equality.
He's equally appalled by apartheid
in its original form and Israël's ways.
Stuff in the OP about many races and
religions remind him that while negroes
were sub-humans in South Africa itself,
some foreign delegations included black
people, sometimes as a taunt, and that
those were treated with polite deference.
Both attitudes were apparently coherent?
TT doesn't think that works and deduces
from it that states act funny ( although it rarely is ).
Now, as TT lives in a multi racial / multi
religious land, he finds that natural too.
But, had TT been born in the France of
say 1,100 AD ( not CE or ME, dsr, didn't compute then ; ),
he might have gone to the crusades. I
mean, it's doubtful that he'd have been
anything but Christian in that era.
In between the two TTs came the Siècle
des Lumières when ideas got liberated
from sectarian diktats and allowed to
blossom into modern universal concepts.
The modern TT cannot absolve the acts
of invasion of the crusaders while he also
understands ancient TT's contextual limits.
He ideally would not emulate him however.
Today's Israël is full of modern TJ and Israelis
that are very universal in thinking, I know some,
but runs as a nation on old ideas from ancient
TJs. How ancient? From before the Tfutza or
from easily found darkest decades of it? Date?
That's the problem with getting all your light
from God or your social media group, it is not
universal and only works within you context.
Enlightenment will have to wait for someone
to turn on the lights or dissipate the clouds.
Me ( the real Tay ), I know God can help me
but if I'm in the woods in the dark hunting the
talibans or escaping the Nazis, while His Light
may fill my heart with the gift of say compassion,
I'd rather have a flashlight!
Israel is certainly not alone in this dissociation
between yore and now or shifting attitudes but
for now, the old guard makes the club unsavoury.
And, since Solomon mentioned it in passing, the
status of Jews as Hebrews is a private club, again
nothing even remotely universal. And this actual
non-theoretical Tay agrees with the saying :
-I wouldn't want to be part of a club that would have people like me as members.
Groucho Marx ( the nice Marx guy not ... ).
If I must be an elitist snob, I'll be a universal one!
Good convo all, Tay.
