Islamabad High Court grants bail to 23 (PTM) protesters held for sedition

[blueazure]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1532233/h...rants-bail-to-23-protesters-held-for-sedition

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^^ weakness of the state, a pacifist noob Immi , and reluctance of agencies to go all out against this PTM menace just because they have LUMS campus support

a reminder = PTM has planted IEDs and has blood of pak army on their hands


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tabdeeli much ?

 

[blueazure]

protect mafias = check

stop govt from recovering looted money = check

grants bail to PTM insurgents = check

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who are the courts even working for ?

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[graphican]

The government need to improve laws that empower and clean up the courts. This institution has been left unattended for long and weeding has happened there. Its time to focus and cleanup.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Good decision, protests and criticism shouldn’t be shut down or dismissed by baseless sedition charges and questioning of one’s patriotism.

It seems that the government + establishment haven’t grown out of Zia era draconian mentality.

 

[Shabi1]

Good decision, protests and criticism shouldn’t be shut down or dismissed by baseless sedition charges and questioning of one’s patriotism.

It seems that the government + establishment haven’t grown out of Zia era draconian mentality.

There is a difference between protesting and going to the extent of Treason and harming the state.

Treason is inexcusable, even in the most liberal states.

 

[Mrc]

So how many terrorists have been sentenced by these courts . . Almost 0 ..

War started peaked and ended without our courts punishing a single person

There is a huge problem with judiciary and that needs to be taken up urgently

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Good decision, protests and criticism shouldn’t be shut down or dismissed by baseless sedition charges and questioning of one’s patriotism.

It seems that the government + establishment haven’t grown out of Zia era draconian mentality.

Is dividing the country on basis of ethnicities allowed in the constitution of Pakistan???

 

[313ghazi]

The judiciary is the biggest threat to the state. Musharaf should have shot them dead like dogs on the road during thier protests.

 

[Jungibaaz]

There is a difference between protesting and going to the extent of Treason and harming the state.

Treason is inexcusable, even in the most liberal states.

That’s funny, ex-DG ISPR seems to think it is excusable if a former COAS and head of state dictator commits multiple forms high treason.

Also, what are the exact details of high treason here? Why has an exact report not been created and presented in court? The court has asked IGP Islamabad to produce the report. So let’s see what weight of evidence (I doubt there is any) there is for this case.

Remember, we supposedly live in a democracy. When a constitution can be used to disqualify opposition leaders, powers that be should also know that it also defends political dissent and doesn’t allow use of draconian measures to silence it.

 

[hussain0216]

How can we allow these dirty namak haram Afghans to cause problems

If it's not joining TTP, these animals are joining PTM

Enough is enough

 

[bananarepublic]

There is a difference between protesting and going to the extent of Treason and harming the state.

Treason is inexcusable, even in the most liberal states.

courts have decided that these were peaceful protests, the police arrested them on basis of treason without solid evidence.
none of your bullshit is going to change the fact that police were incompetent to provide proof of any kind,it s the same as when police would take know terrorists in and the courts were forced to release them because the evidence given were abysmal.

and this bullshit treason cases need to stop, because your part of the institutional mafias feelings get hurt it doesn't mean that they are criminals

 

[Jungibaaz]

How can we allow these dirty namak haram Afghans to cause problems

If it's not joining TTP, these animals are joining PTM

Enough is enough

Like you, I also used to call PTM and likeminded people, namak haram Afghans. Here on this very forum not more than a few years ago. Now I know better, there are plenty of Pakistanis there with legitimate issues that require redress.

 

[hussain0216]

That’s funny, ex-DG ISPR seems to think it is excusable if a former COAS and head of state dictator commits multiple forms high treason.

Also, what are the exact details of high treason here? Why has an exact report not been created and presented in court? The court has asked IGP Islamabad to produce the report. So let’s see what weight of evidence (I doubt there is any) there is for this case.

Remember, we supposedly live in a democracy. When a constitution can be used to disqualify opposition leaders, powers that be should also know that it also defends political dissent and doesn’t allow use of draconian measures to silence it.

We can't act like a open liberal democracy when our circumstances dictate we need to be more focused on security issues

Our people don't always understand the responsibility that goes alongside freedoms

We let these worthless Afghans lurch from one fcuking headache to another
One minute they are streaming into our country as blood sucking refugees
Next minute they are joining TTP or supporting terrorists or joining PTM

It's a endless stream of crap from these filth


At some point, let's just hit them

 

[Jungibaaz]

courts have decided that these were peaceful protests, the police arrested them on basis of treason without solid evidence.
none of your bullshit is going to change the fact that police were incompetent to provide proof of any kind,it s the same as when police would take know terrorists in and the courts were forced to release them because the evidence given were abysmal.

and this bullshit treason cases need to stop, because your part of the institutional mafias feelings get hurt it doesn't mean that they are criminals

Exactly. But I can’t attack people on this thread for repeating how they’ve been trained to react.

Propaganda is so pervasive that many ordinary right-thinking patriots, including members in this thread have been convinced to dismiss any and all such protestors as anti-Pakistan, namak haram, Afghans agents etc.

We can't act like a open liberal democracy when our circumstances dictate we need to be more focused on security issues

Our people don't always understand the responsibility that goes alongside freedoms

We let these worthless Afghans lurch from one fcuking headache to another
One minute they are streaming into our country as blood sucking refugees
Next minute they are joining TTP or supporting terrorists or joining PTM

It's a endless stream of crap from these filth


At some point, let's just hit them

Look, let’s just say I disagree with you, both on principles and on facts.

On principles:

• My philosophy: democracy>draconianism.
• Your philosophy: security>too much democracy.

I reject the notion that somehow for our security we need to shut down the voice of disgruntled Pakistanis.

And on facts, believe me when I say these people are Pakistanis. Please go to FATA and ask locals in certain areas what they think of Pashteen and specifically of what issues he is raising. You will be as surprised as I was by what many people will say.

 

[hussain0216]

LOOK WHAT THE IRANIANS DID

They let millions of these animals come into Iran as workers, refugees etc
All they bought with them was criminality, drugs, violence

The Iranians have pushed out MILLIONS of the dogs with nothing more than the clothes on their backs


It's the only thing they understand

What we are doing is letting a enemy fester

We are allowing the NDS and afghani state to lend their support to these bastard's who see themselves as afghani



No rights
No friendship
No mercy
Just kick out every dirty afghani refugee

Stop the afghani working anywhere in the country

Stop them entering universities

And start treating these people like the enemies they are