Islam and social life

[roopesh]

This could be most controversial thread on this forum.

I have few questions to all muslim frens here for my better understanding. I am not questioning any person or religion here. But try to understand the mindset behind my questions and address them if you can.

Me being a hindu, the religion and rituals are practices are not the same for every hindu. Its really complex and impossible to understand all the three. Just to give simple example in my family (caste) is completely vegitarian. But all hindus are not. Eating/Not eating meat is not a part of religion to hindus. its a part of practice to a group. I hope this is clear.

For Muslims it seems religion, ritual and practices are same? This is where non-islamic ppl tend to confuse bcoz I dont know how the whole system works. Could someone give idea about it

I just want to mention flexibility of hindus here and check even islam has such. Getting into so called modren culture or changing the life sytle is not a big issue to hindus as they are part of practice rather than religion itself.

For example dress code for ppl have changed (both for women and men) and its nothing to do with religion. But what I fail to understand is its not same with islam like burqa system. Its a part of religion rather than social.

So changing the social system is not apporved but change is natural. Throw some light on this

 

[roopesh]

Let me explain to my frens few more issues I observed with islamic community. Understanding of these issues is really imp to me as a member of HSS team; Please help.

1) According to Islam credit is not good. But modren world works on credit. like credit cards etc...loans at org level. Even pakistan govt itself has so much credit from UN. Is it approved by islam? If apporved why still some ppl ban it religiously.

2) Only Indian govt takes Muslims to Mecca at FREE of cost. This is a big scandle in whole India. There are ministers in each state for this work alone. Crores of rs is spend on this project. If they spend the same amount on muslim welfare much more could have achived but politics; They fill air ticket; free lodging and free food for muslims for mecca trip; I heard that even in quran its mentioned that one should visit mecca only with his/her money. But still ppl in India not following it.

Many hindu politicians are trying to implement the same for hindus by arranging FREE visit to hindu holy places like Amarnath. Christans are demanding for FREE vatican visit...etc. You can clearly see the how much money/politics involved rather than religion....
Just want to know ur feedback on this ?

 

[Blossom]

This could be most controversial thread on this forum.

I have few questions to all muslim frens here for my better understanding. I am not questioning any person or religion here. But try to understand the mindset behind my questions and address them if you can.

Me being a hindu, the religion and rituals are practices are not the same for every hindu. Its really complex and impossible to understand all the three. Just to give simple example in my family (caste) is completely vegitarian. But all hindus are not. Eating/Not eating meat is not a part of religion to hindus. its a part of practice to a group. I hope this is clear.

For Muslims it seems religion, ritual and practices are same? This is where non-islamic ppl tend to confuse bcoz I dont know how the whole system works. Could someone give idea about it

I just want to mention flexibility of hindus here and check even islam has such. Getting into so called modren culture or changing the life sytle is not a big issue to hindus as they are part of practice rather than religion itself.

For example dress code for ppl have changed (both for women and men) and its nothing to do with religion. But what I fail to understand is its not same with islam like burqa system. Its a part of religion rather than social.

So changing the social system is not apporved but change is natural. Throw some light on this

Hello Roopesh!
I’m glad that I got a chance to answer your questions about Islam.

Religion, rituals and practices are the same for all Muslims in the world.But still there are different kinds of Muslims out there. Some are religious, some are not and others are moderate…Being a Vegetarian or a non-Vegetarian is totally one’s personal choice…even some Muslims are vegetarians. But there are restrictions of Halal and Haram in Islam. We eat meat but we don’t eat pork. It is strictly forbidden with some other things categorized as Haram.All the animals (meat) that we eat in our daily lives are herbivorous. Now the question arises. Why not horse and other breeds alike? It is forbidden too, as per Islam.But we're given enough choices to choose the type of meat from.
Moving on…the dress code…in Islam Men and Women are told to dress up with decency. Muslim women should cover themselves, should not wear nude, tight clothes and reveal their body parts (these rules are very strict and infraction is known as a “sin”.) Burqa on the other hand is something very handy and comfortable. Its not necessary to always wear a burqa to prove oneself a Muslim. But it is identified as an iconic dress for Muslim women all over the world (which I believe is wrong). However a lot of Muslim women that you might know as well do not follow the Islamic dress code. They relate it to open mindedness and take it very lightly. “Obscenity lies in the eyes” is a typical phrase used as justification (which is also not right). So yes, when it comes to clothing, it is always according to Islam.

 

[U-571]

But still there are different kinds of Muslims out there. Some are religious, some are not and others are moderate.

there r only two kinds of muslims, one type of muslims r called "good muslims" or Mumins, others, who dont follow islam r called "bad muslims" or munafiqs!!!, moderates is a term just to "divide muslims", there r no types muslims as moderates or extremists or agnostics!!, in fact, both moderates and extremists can be "bad muslims", if they dont follow "real islam", and both will be punished in the day of judgment!!

dont trust below!!

be aware of false islamic websites!!

 

[Captain03]

check this website out
it explains a lot about the quran and islam
never mind bad link

 

[Pashtun]

check this website out
it explains a lot about the quran and islam
Islam (Submission). Your best source for Islam on the Intenet. Happiness is submission to God.-Islam-Submission-Introduction,definition, discussion, debate, laws, justice, human rights, history, terrorism, Jihad, women, Jews, Jesus, Christianity-Isla

Please do not quote stuff from the submission.org. It's a cult, not an Islamic source. KHalifah Rashid was the founder of Submission and a little digging about him would enlighten you about the evil intentions of his and his Submission Org.

 

[Captain03]

Please do not quote stuff from the submission.org. It's a cult, not an Islamic source. KHalifah Rashid was the founder of Submission and a little digging about him would enlighten you about the evil intentions of his and his Submission Org.

ill search up his name
i found this website 2day on google

 

[Captain03]

Please do not quote stuff from the submission.org. It's a cult, not an Islamic source. KHalifah Rashid was the founder of Submission and a little digging about him would enlighten you about the evil intentions of his and his Submission Org.

i just did the research on him
thanks for the heads up

 

[Blossom]

there r only two kinds of muslims, one type of muslims r called "good muslims" or Mumins, others, who dont follow islam r called "bad muslims" or munafiqs!!!, moderates is a term just to "divide muslims", there r no types muslims as moderates or extremists or agnostics!!, in fact, both moderates and extremists can be "bad muslims", if they dont follow "real islam", and both will be punished in the day of judgment!!

Ofcourse.so true.Munafiqs are those who claim to be Muslims but actually, are athiests at heart.They use islam for their benefits.
and I was actually dividing Muslims into categories.Definitely, those who are not religious are "bad Muslims"...but i usually don't give verdicts about the punishment and the Day of Judgement cause who knows?? God is Forgiving and the most Merciful.

 

[U-571]

Ofcourse.so true.Munafiqs are those who claim to be Muslims but actually, are athiests at heart.They use islam for their benefits.
and I was actually dividing Muslims into categories.Definitely, those who are not religious are "bad Muslims"...but i usually don't give verdicts about the punishment and the Day of Judgement cause who knows?? God is Forgiving and the most Merciful.

dear sis, if u dont improve, u have to get punished, allah is very merciful, if u seek to improve ur self, and follow the right way, if u dont improve, than allah can be very angry as well with u and he can punish u. every body would be accountable for his own deeds!!!, u cant bribe allah in the day of judgement!!

"the right way" means every thing. to be a good muslim, u need to learn islam and be knowledgeable as much as u can!!!, u have to struggle to be a good muslim!!, the first word give to prophet was "iqra" i-e read or learn!!

 

[Pashtun]

Hello Roopish,

Let me explain to my frens few more issues I observed with islamic community. Understanding of these issues is really imp to me as a member of HSS team; Please help.

What is HSS team?

For example dress code for ppl have changed (both for women and men) and its nothing to do with religion. But what I fail to understand is its not same with islam like burqa system. Its a part of religion rather than social. For Muslims it seems religion, ritual and practices are same? This is where non-islamic ppl tend to confuse bcoz I dont know how the whole system works.

No, the dress code hasn't changed, it's the ethics in certain individuals (systems) that have changed. Nuns still wear Burqas, no matter where they are, and the Bishops still have to wear long robes, as required by their religion. Same goes for the Hinduism, the Pundits In Hindu temples have to follow a specific dress code, you wouldn't see one in Diesel Jeans with Armany xchange tank top or Prada bomber or for that matter in Armani Collezioni three piece suit.

So as you said your religion is more of different rituals and practices that vary from caste to caste, in Islam it is not like that. Islam has no caste system. Islam clearly tells the humanity that nobody has preference over other due to complexion, wealth, ethnical and or physical attributes.

All are equal in Islam. Hence any and every thing in Noble Qur'an applies on every single Muslim, and it does not have any expiry date either.

You cannot look at Islam the way you look at your religion or any other religion for that matter. Islam is a whole wide universe in itself. It has its own come systems of finance, education, laws and regulations etc., and all applies on every muslim, regardless of their color, ethnic background etc.

1) According to Islam credit is not good. But modren world works on credit. like credit cards etc...loans at org level. Even pakistan govt itself has so much credit from UN. Is it approved by islam? If apporved why still some ppl ban it religiously.

You have been misinformed. Debt is not contrary to Islamic law. Charging interest is.

And we already have seen how the modern credit system have collpased flat on its face, while Wall Street, HSBC, Royal Bank, etc. etc. have pledged tens of thousands of dollars to study Shariah compliant system to see if they can adapt that.

To understand Islamic Finance in simple words, the Quran prohibits speculative risk. Warning us to avoid games of chance in which the probability of loss in is much higher than the probability of gain. (Qur'an 2:219)

So you see, there's a fine line there. Speculative risk and No risk, both are prohibited, yet debt is not. The best loan is a Qarza-e-Hasnnah (the one which has no obligations).

Shariah-compliant investments, therefore, avoid speculative risk, including interest rate options, naked equity options, futures, derivative and numerous leveraged products purportedly designed to hedge investments. Many of these financial products attract speculators in hopes of making quick money.

In the words of Financial critics, when trusted fund managers, under institutional pressures to show profit, resort to speculative risk, hedge investments turn into suicidal strategies for financial destruction, hence the total destruction of the so called "Modern Financing System", which is actually controlling the masses by duping them into severe debts and taking illegitimate benefit of their needs, which can be termed as financial oppression of the needy.

And we just saw in past few months how the entire "modern financial system" collapsed.

2) Only Indian govt takes Muslims to Mecca at FREE of cost. I heard that even in quran its mentioned that one should visit mecca only with his/her money. But still ppl in India not following it.

I thought it was just a subsidy. I didn't know its totally free. In either case, it's Indian government's regulation. Yes, in Islam Hajj (the 5th Pillar) is obligated on those who can afford it, or someone else sponser them for certain reasons.

Why they (Indian govt.) give this subsidy, requires in depth investigation and critical analysis, but its perfectly legitimate to go on sponsered Hajj.

Many hindu politicians are trying to implement the same for hindus by arranging FREE visit to hindu holy places like Amarnath. Christans are demanding for FREE vatican visit...etc. You can clearly see the how much money/politics involved rather than religion....
Just want to know ur feedback on this ?

Why not? after all a govt. should look after the needs of the people. And since people have different priorities, one cannot argue that such money should be spent on something else than what the people want. And how the politicians turns this into their favour, has nothing to do with everything else about this phenomena. Politicians will manipulate any and everything that they can get benefit out of it.

 

[U-571]

i recently watched a video of "dr Ingrit Mattson", in the research channel, she a convert, living in US, originally canadian, shes the head of "ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA"!!

and here is her interview!!, its very interesting, there r many more videos of her in youtube, search by her name, they r all very interesting!!

"""note that she says, there were "certain few things which added to sunnah books for the personal interests and gains", and a learned islamic scholar can easily point out the "non-credible words of prophet" or v call them "weak hadits", she says that!!"""

a vary good compilation of her lectures!!, shes intelligent!!

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=924CDEF6D57C07D7

 

[Blossom]

dear sis, if u dont improve, u have to get punished, allah is very merciful, if u seek to improve ur self, and follow the right way, if u dont improve, than allah can be very angry as well with u and he can punish u. every body would be accountable for his own deeds!!!, u cant bribe allah in the day of judgement!!

"the right way" means every thing. to be a good muslim, u need to learn islam and be knowledgeable as much as u can!!!, u have to struggle to be a good muslim!!, the first word give to prophet was "iqra" i-e read or learn!!

Yes.Accountable and responsible for my own deeds.I can be a dissuasive source to those who don't follow Islam...if being a Muslim I don't prevent them from wrong deeds, I would personally consider myself a Non muslim and a very selfish person.In a way I can be responsible for a sin being comitted infront of my eyes and I never protest against it.
I resent it when people talk about their country with pride and enthusiasm...but when it comes to religion...they relate nudity to modernism and pre-marital affairs and adultery as a natural human phenomena...wow!
Virginity? what is Virginity? why are you supposed to protect it untill you get married? are you a Virgin Mary???
No...I'm a Human and I'm a Muslim.I'm no animal because animals can't control their urge.They do what what they want to do.

 

[AliFarooq]

People who convert to islam are way better muslims then, who have been muslims all their lives.

 

[U-571]

People who convert to islam are way better muslims then, who have been muslims all their lives.

i really admire her voice!!, she has the sweetest voice of all

oooh, they really r, they sacrifice a lot, they cry for islam!!, v cant imagine their adherence to their religion and faith!!, living in western society and acting like a true muslim requires much sacrifice!!, , "the education my dear has lead many westerns to islam, thats wht i say, educate ur self and learn islam before u throw garbs at it"