ISIS attacks Turkish Army on Syrian Border [T-155 destroyed]

[kartal1]

Weapons producing factories in Bulgaria right now are booming as they export rifles, munitions etc. to the Middle East- officially to the UAE, Saudi Arabia etc. but most weapons end up God knows where. There is even a photo of an ISIS convoy of new 4x4 car with Bulgarian license plates just because Bulgarian smuggler steal cars and sell them in the Arab countries. A lot of drugs produced in Bulgaria also end up in Syria and the Arab world...

Mafia and smugglers make a lot of money from all the unrest in the Middle East but no one is saying Bulgaria helps ISIS...

ps Everyone has his interests in Syria, some people make a lot of money from all the shit happening in the Middle East.

I live in Bulgaria and also saw this news and the pictures and realy no one ever speak about this while the bulgarian media is full of anti turkish propaganda Its so sad how the people can be so blind about this from ages its known about Bulgaria export weapons to middle east and north africa but people are blind to see it and blames Turkey for everything what happens in the world these people hate us very much Its so strange why they dont ask the goverment about all this shit coming out of this country

 

[-SINAN-]

I live in Bulgaria and also saw this news and the pictures and realy no one ever speak about this while the bulgarian media is full of anti turkish propaganda Its so sad how the people can be so blind about this from ages its known about Bulgaria export weapons to middle east and north africa but people are blind to see it and blames Turkey for everything what happens in the world these people hate us very much Its so strange why they dont ask the goverment about all this shit coming out of this country

Really, they hate us ? I don't know much about Bulgarians and never gave a fvck about their country..... but i didn't know that they hate us.

 

[Deliorman]

Brat mi, you know that that most medias, most politicians in the country are controlled by the former communist/secret service members who are more than loyal to Moscow, even now when Bulgaria is a member of the EU and NATO (this last thing was mostly by help from Turkey)...

You see how most people in Bulgaria miss the old communist times, they are brainwashed with communism, licking Russian butts, hating on everyone and everything- especially Turkey. You see how most politicians in here are controlled by the Kremlin. In Bulgaria, more than any other place in Europe- The far right and left wing politicians are controlled directly from Moscow. Even NATO is emphasizing on the hybrid war Russia is waging against it's member- the thing is that in Europe the hybrid war has never ended, not even after Communism fell. You know how those who were proud communists turner into democrats overnight.

ps Where are you from @kartal1 ?

ps2 @Sinan - bruh, Turks are the most hated people in Bulgaria even when we are peaceful citizens of this country who contribute to the state and actually built most of this country with our sweat and hard work. 5 centuries of Turkish rule are hard to be forgotten.

 

[flamer84]

I live in Bulgaria and also saw this news and the pictures and realy no one ever speak about this while the bulgarian media is full of anti turkish propaganda Its so sad how the people can be so blind about this from ages its known about Bulgaria export weapons to middle east and north africa but people are blind to see it and blames Turkey for everything what happens in the world these people hate us very much Its so strange why they dont ask the goverment about all this shit coming out of this country

Bulgaria ,Romania(a few weeks ago there was a mini scandal with weapons from AK's to grenades and RPG's leaving Constanta harbour ),Croatia sell to US middle firms who then deliver those weapons to God knows where.We don't know,we don't ask,but we certainly don't deliver anything to terrorists....directly.

 

[Deliorman]

@flamer84 - there is even some articles on that matter.
Money, money, money.... and power. They make the world go round you know. Some people made billions of that war and the rest is just a show for the masses. Regular people are arguing and turned against each other, while civilians in Syria die every day.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/art...-add-fuel-to-middle-east-conflicts-12-16-2015

 

[flamer84]

@flamer84 - there is even some articles on that matter.
Money, money, money.... and power. They make the world go round you know. Some people made billions of that war and the rest is just a show for the masses. Regular people are arguing and turned against each other, while civilians in Syria die every day.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/art...-add-fuel-to-middle-east-conflicts-12-16-2015

We know in our minds where the weapons go but these countries have huge ex commie stocks and,let's be honest,it's a US request.You don't ignore tht,so,we sell and pretend we don't know where those weapons end up.Ofcourse,looking at history,it's not like Romania in the past had any worries in selling weapons to the ME or Africa.Now I think that those weapons are primarily for the FSA not ISIS,not saying that ISIS doesn't get them from the FSA though.

 

[kartal1]

Really, they hate us ? I don't know much about Bulgarians and never gave a fvck about their country..... but i didn't know that they hate us.

The turks are the most hated after the gypsies maybe but they are so blind from hatred that they confuse the turks with the gypsies even if the turks are peaceful and hardworking there are nationalistic or maybe ultranationalistic groups and political parties with brainwashed people serving the "ex"communists and spreading their propaganda they provoke our people and I fear one day this will end in a close scenario to the Kosovo scenario

Brat mi, you know that that most medias, most politicians in the country are controlled by the former communist/secret service members who are more than loyal to Moscow, even now when Bulgaria is a member of the EU and NATO (this last thing was mostly by help from Turkey)...

You see how most people in Bulgaria miss the old communist times, they are brainwashed with communism, licking Russian butts, hating on everyone and everything- especially Turkey. You see how most politicians in here are controlled by the Kremlin. In Bulgaria, more than any other place in Europe- The far right and left wing politicians are controlled directly from Moscow. Even NATO is emphasizing on the hybrid war Russia is waging against it's member- the thing is that in Europe the hybrid war has never ended, not even after Communism fell. You know how those who were proud communists turner into democrats overnight.

ps Where are you from @kartal1 ?

ps2 @Sinan - bruh, Turks are the most hated people in Bulgaria even when we are peaceful citizens of this country who contribute to the state and actually built most of this country with our sweat and hard work. 5 centuries of Turkish rule are hard to be forgotten.

I am from Smolyan south Bulgaria and you?

 

[Deliorman]

We know in our minds where the weapons go but these countries have huge ex commie stocks and,let's be honest,it's a US request.You don't ignore tht,so,we sell and pretend we don't know where those weapons end up.Ofcourse,looking at history,it's not like Romania in the past had any worries in selling weapons to the ME or Africa.Now I think that those weapons are primarily for the FSA not ISIS,not saying that ISIS doesn't get them from the FSA though.

It's the same in Bulgaria. Selling and smuggling weapons (also drugs, cigarettes, medicines etc.)/from the Middle East has been done by the Bulgarian Communist government/secret services for decades. After the fall of Communism those smuggling routes just got in the hands of the mafia which is also consisted of people from the former ruling elite. I don't know how it is in Romania though but it is probably a pretty similar situation in there too.
I have a few questions: Did former Securitate members took over the economy of the country after the fall of Causescu? I mean, even in communist times Romania was not a Soviet *** licker and Romanians have always been against Russians and their influence in their country, right? They took Moldavia from you after all and you can't forget that.



@kartal1 - I am from Karnobat, Southeast Bulgaria. I have a friend I've met in the US last summer from Smolyan- a pomak from Taran.

 

[flamer84]

It's the same in Bulgaria. Selling and smuggling weapons (also drugs, cigarettes, medicines etc.)/from the Middle East has been done by the Bulgarian Communist government/secret services for decades. After the fall of Communism those smuggling routes just got in the hands of the mafia which is also consisted of people from the former ruling elite. I don't know how it is in Romania though but it is probably a pretty similar situation in there too.
I have a few questions: Did former Securitate members took over the economy of the country after the fall of Causescu? I mean, even in communist times Romania was not a Soviet *** licker and Romanians have always been against Russians and their influence in their country, right? They took Moldavia from you after all and you can't forget that.

It's basically the same with the difference that the mafia here isn't like the Bulgarian one as in killing people in the streets but more subtle .They're the politicians themselves.In 1989 many of Ceausescu's people were purged only to be replaced by 2nd tier commies loyal to Moscow.Luckily,because Romanians are generally not sympathetic to Russia more pro Western politicians took over in the last 15 years with those fossils sidelined.Not that the current ones aren't crooks but on a much lesser scale.

The US trusts Romania more than Bulgaria,Hungary,I think that's why things are progressing in here.

@Deliorman

An interesting read from an American author about the not so faithfull Romanian ally of the USSR

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/public...nian-clash-over-history-identity-and-dominion

According to these documents, Romania was considered a threat to Soviet interests that would only increase over time: - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/public...ry-identity-and-dominion#sthash.sdvWIF0n.dpuf

[T]he current Romanian leadership cannot be counted on as a reliable ally – not presently and not, even less so, in the case of a possible worsening of the international situation. We can anticipate that Romania will purposefully continue the line of “equalizing” its relationships with the principal powers that oppose us, in the contemporary world, not only in the political domain, but also in the economic, military, cultural, etc., diminishing, at the same time, real collaboration within the framework of the Warsaw Pact and the CMEA. (Document 4)[12] - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/public...ry-identity-and-dominion#sthash.sdvWIF0n.dpuf

It is known that, after the fall of the Shah’s regime in Iran, the Romanian leadership quickly sent there a Moslem delegation from the SRR which, in their meeting with Khomeni, also expressed their approval with regard to the expulsion of American specialists from the country. Meanwhile, the delegation tried to warn Khomeni not to invite specialists of the USSR into Iran, underscoring, at the same time, that the interests of the great powers are all encompassing and do not coincide with the interests of the small and medium-sized countries ” (Document 4)[17] - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/public...ry-identity-and-dominion#sthash.sdvWIF0n.dpuf

 

[Deliorman]

It's basically the same with the difference that the mafia here isn't like the Bulgarian one as in killing people in the streets but more subtle .They're the politicians themselves.In 1989 many of Ceausescu's people were purged only to be replaced by 2nd tier commies loyal to Moscow.Luckily,because Romanians are generally not sympathetic to Russia more pro Western politicians took over in the last 15 years with those fossils sidelined.Not that the current ones aren't crooks but on a much lesser scale.

The US trusts Romania more than Bulgaria,Hungary,I think that's why things are progressing in here.

That's exactly what I see... Romania is really going forward and progressing. In 1989 Romania was probably the poorest country in Europe. I have seen images and heard stories from people that know your country and life there was really hard. Causescu did many harms to his nation but you managed to become a better country for living and doing business than Bulgaria right now. I am sure your politicians are also corrupt and also do a lot of stupid stuff but they are much better than ours. Hungary is on on better level than both Bulgaria and Romania though as they have much richer countries as neighbors and a legacy of an integral part of one of the richest and most developed empires in Europe before World War I.

Bulgaria is not a country where the Mafia kills people on the streets tho. At least not anymore... They do it from time to time, but I remember how when I was a kid mafia members were killing each other every week- and those were the important ones. Now things are settled down: the mafia occupied the whole state machine and everyone has his own share of the market.

 

[flamer84]

That's exactly what I see... Romania is really going forward and progressing. In 1989 Romania was probably the poorest country in Europe. I have seen images and heard stories from people that know your country and life there was really hard. Causescu did many harms to his nation but you managed to become a better country for living and doing business than Bulgaria right now. I am sure your politicians are also corrupt and also do a lot of stupid stuff but they are much better than ours. Hungary is on on better level than both Bulgaria and Romania though as they have much richer countries as neighbors and a legacy of an integral part of one of the richest and most developed empires in Europe before World War I.

Bulgaria is not a country where the Mafia kills people on the streets tho. At least not anymore... They do it from time to time, but I remember how when I was a kid mafia members were killing each other every week- and those were the important ones. Now things are settled down: the mafia occupied the whole state machine and everyone has his own share of the market.

Yeah,Ceausescu was an utter idiot,altough,he was a nationalist and not a Russian boot licker.Remember he was the only Warsaw pact leader who openly condemned the invasion of Czechoslovalia in 1968.Also....

The Romanian side adamantly maintained that it could “in no case accept the thesis which flagrantly contravenes historical truth, that the Romanians and the Moldavians are two different nations [peoples], that the Romanian and Moldavian languages are two different languages.” (Document 1, Document 2, Document 3, Document 4, Document 7). At one point an exasperated Brezhnev insisted that Ceauşescu himself had the opportunity to see that the Moldavians existed as a separate people with a separate language during his 1976 visit.
“Yes,” Ceauşescu replied, “I did, but they spoke with me in Romanian.” (Document 1)[3] - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/public...ry-identity-and-dominion#sthash.sdvWIF0n.dpuf


Hungary had a better head start in the 90's when our economy shrinked for a decade (it was the same in 2000 like in 1989) but now we're closing the gap and I'm confident seeing the current growth that we will surpass them in a few years or a decade at the most.In 2000 the Hu economy was overall bigger than Romania,now ours is 50% bigger and the growth rates are in our favour still.