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There are 101 intelligence agencies working around the globe, doing all kind of legal and not so legal works in the line of duty. But surprisingly enough the only agency in the spot light all the time, is ISI. Why so? Why we don’t discuss other agencies in the main stream media like ISI is discussed? All the honourable members try to shoot down ISI whenever its discussed in the forums

The answer if you want is simple. They are afraid of it and want to pull it down

Good or bad... the work of ISI within Pakistan is domain of its ppl and its govt. So ppl plz give it a rest
 
There are 101 intelligence agencies working around the globe, doing all kind of legal and not so legal works in the line of duty. But surprisingly enough the only agency in the spot light all the time, is ISI. Why so? Why we don’t discuss other agencies in the main stream media like ISI is discussed? All the honourable members try to shoot down ISI whenever its discussed in the forums

The answer if you want is simple. They are afraid of it and want to pull it down

Good or bad... the work of ISI within Pakistan is domain of its ppl and its govt. So ppl plz give it a rest
Because it is only external security agency which is also involved in killing its own people.
Others do all the same nasty stuff, but dont undermine their own govt or judiciary.

The RAW chief will be sacked unceremoniously for doing something MMS does not want(or courts specifically ask for)
 
The other agencies are into countering external threats and collecting intelligence , where as the one we employed are other way around .. after failure and shame in 4 wars these idiots are focused locally
 
The other agencies are into countering external threats and collecting intelligence , where as the one we employed are other way around .. after failure and shame in 4 wars these idiots are focused locally

And sir your observations are based on some facts or is this just another punch line?
 
you can't use the word ISI fobia because if people feared ISI, particularly Pakistani People, it's completely justified.

Well to start with let me correct one thing. I am a Pakistani and i am not afraid of ISI nor is any and each Pakistani I know personally. so please dont give sweeping statments, that to when you are not even Pakistani
 
And sir your observations are based on some facts or is this just another punch line?

yes that's the approach just term it all a lie ...! read news papers there are a many pakistani publications ... news televisions have online videos etc etc .. hope that helps
 
yes that's the approach just term it all a lie ...! read news papers there are a many pakistani publications ... news televisions have online videos etc etc .. hope that helps

Sir please dont tell me that you believe everything you hear on the media. I am not saying everything out there is a lie but do try to make some conclusions of your own as well.
 
Well to start with let me correct one thing. I am a Pakistani and i am not afraid of ISI nor is any and each Pakistani I know personally. so please dont give sweeping statments, that to when you are not even Pakistani

Well I am talking about the People you call "Liberal Fascists", the last breed of Pakistanis who are still relatively sane.
 
Sir please dont tell me that you believe everything you hear on the media. I am not saying everything out there is a lie but do try to make some conclusions of your own as well.

Look if there is one or two international entities than we can rubbish the claims , but its not just international pretty much all of local Pakistani media is accusing agencies , lets not turn a blind eye by rubbishing every thing its a national security situation .. If we will not condemn silly acts these people will not improve thus more trouble. Its healthy critism which is very necessary
 
Sir please dont tell me that you believe everything you hear on the media. I am not saying everything out there is a lie but do try to make some conclusions of your own as well.
Two recent news items.
Pakistani prime minister said sorry.
The guys who were released by court turned up dead.

Your assertion that everybody is afraid of ISI is untrue. There has been a tendency in India to point finger at ISI (due to its own incompetence) and that has reduced a lot. Similar story about RAW in pakistan.

But the fact remains, the people who SHOULD be afraid of ISI (in its present avatar), are pakistanis, not outsiders.
 
Quite a few misconceptions floating around here.

Firstly all the military agencies in the world have been notorious about playing around with their own people in pursuit of 'greater national interests'. One stark example which pales every other agency in the world is of the CIA's plan of staging terrorist attacks on its on soil and waters, against its own citizens and vessels and pinning the blame on the Cubans so as to forge an excuse to do away with the Cubans and the menace they were causing them. Had it not been for the Cuban missile crisis the plan would have gone forward. Its all there in the declassified CIA reports. Read up. Im sure you can find many other examples too while your searching for it.

Second; The Pakistani media is run by a bunch of Orangutans who know nothing about journalism. Don't get me wrong the media world over is apt at presenting the mutilated remains of what might once have been the truth in hunt of the interests of the people who control them. What the Pakistani media is is a disgrace. Its completely disingenuous and artless, the neighborhood gossip aunty of sorts and nothing more. They would not know what is news if it smacked them up in their faces and crawled right up their nostrils. You'd be surprised to know how they gather their stories. One would be wise not to trust a word they say. Unless you think that the Veena Malik episode was an actual national crisis.

The ISI is like any other military intelligence agency. Its interests are predominantly tied with the interests of Pakistan but not necessarily with the interests of the citizens of Pakistan. It operates on a mechanical mode, so to speak. Sentiments for the people is not on its menu.

As for the 'phobia' so widely rampant in the world; ISI is the new boogie man. A cleaning cloth for any mess that the powerful may find themselves in. Its not a new concept. Before us it was the Taliban (reportedly not enemies anymore), before them Al-Qaida (unheard these days), before them the Arabs (now friends), before them the socialists (now forgotten), before them the communists (now partners), before them the Nazis (dont know where they went). The Hollywood movies of the corresponding eras will give you a good idea. Oh and Iran is coming very soon to your nearest theaters. Its interesting how the baton of evil has been passed around through the years. Convenient no?

And FYI the 'liberal fascists' are as retarded as all the other groups of imbeciles here in Pakistan. Its a fashion statement as are the tags of modernist, elitist, atheist, conservative, religiousist or traditionalist. I care not for the mullahs or the liberals. They are mere sheep of different color. Bring me the ones who can actually think for themselves. Keep the tags for yourself.
 
There are 101 intelligence agencies working around the globe, doing all kind of legal and not so legal works in the line of duty. But surprisingly enough the only agency in the spot light all the time, is ISI. Why so? Why we don’t discuss other agencies in the main stream media like ISI is discussed? All the honourable members try to shoot down ISI whenever its discussed in the forums

The answer if you want is simple. They are afraid of it and want to pull it down

Good or bad... the work of ISI within Pakistan is domain of its ppl and its govt. So ppl plz give it a rest

Why so?

1. Because ISI itself wants to be in the news. No other intelligence agency in the world is as media savvy as is the ISI.

2. The ISI has, over time, transformed into a tool of the Generals to control the internal politics of Pakistan. From the case of Saleem Shahzad to its involvement in the everyday politics, it's all too evident.

3. The ISI is a direct tool of the Pakistan Army which is obviously the single most powerful organisation in Pakistan. Few other Armies or intelligence agencies in the world enjoy such a powerful status inside their own countries.
 
I think may be bcoz of the Osama incident ISI is discussed more in the media
 
And FYI the 'liberal fascists' are as retarded as any other group of ******** here in Pakistan. Its a fashion statement as are the tags of modernist, elitist, atheist, conservative, religiousist or the traditionalist. I care not for the mullahs or the liberals. They are mere sheep of different color. Bring me the ones who can actually think for themselves. Keep the tags for yourself.

I am so glad there is someone out there that thinks like me. Pure gold, if I could thank 100 more times I would. :tup:
 
No foreign press mentions it as often as Indians and Pakistanis. Russians will not give a damn about ISI when they discuss their secret services nor will Americans and Britishers, it is just related to us (south asians). And as this is a Pakistani forum and Pakistanis know ISI more than foreigners so it is normal that it is discussed more than other secret services.

For example if you go to a US defense related forum they will be discussing CIA more naturally as they know it more than other agencies.

Just like the other day a person said why there are so many wikileaks about Pakistan unlike other countries and in fact some countries are having more leaks than Pakistan. It is just that we are following only about Pakistan so we see that wikileaks is only about Pakistan generally.
 

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