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Is Turkish defense industry’s ‘success story’ turning sour?
Growing investment in technology development is a promising sign for Turkey’s defense industry, but a series of structural problems that remain unresolved could damage the sector’s prospects.

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METIN GURCAN

May 4, 2020

The fast expansion of Turkey’s defense industry in recent years might be becoming harder to sustain as newly released data show the sector is struggling to reduce its heavy reliance on foreign inputs and expand foreign clientele, despite growing investments in high-tech development.

Promoting local arms production has been a hallmark of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government, based on the idea that Turkey needs stronger military deterrence to be a major regional power but cannot trust traditional Western allies for conventional weapons supplies. Keen to muscle up its foreign policy, the government has sought to enhance Turkey’s arms-development capabilities to achieve self-sufficiency and make the most of export opportunities to ensure sustainability.

Efforts to develop the national defense technological and industrial base are seen as an inseparable part of the diplomatic flexibility and international prestige Ankara believes to have gained in cross-border operations in Syria and Iraq since 2016. In Ankara’s eyes, the Turkish military continues to be a deterrent combat force in the region, so self-sufficiency in the defense industry remains a major priority.

Another aspect not to be overlooked is that the defense industry has become a distinct area for government grandstanding in domestic politics. Any new military product manufactured locally or sold to foreign buyers is being presented as some sort of political victory in the pro-government media.

Indeed, the Turkish defense industry made significant strides in the 2015-2018 period, creating a success story for Ankara. Yet, the 2019 performance report of the Defense and Aerospace Industry Manufacturers Association, released in late April, shows problems in this success story as a result of some structural problems.

According to the report, the industry’s turnover was some $10.9 billion last year, a 24% increase from nearly $8.8 billion in 2018. Foreign sales revenues rose 40% to over $3 billion from $2.2 billion the previous year. But, crucially, imports rose as well. They even slightly exceeded the worth of foreign sales, standing at nearly $3.1 billion, a 28% increase from about $2.4 billion in 2018.

The imports are overwhelmingly raw materials such as steel from Finland to make armored vehicles and intermediate products such as turboprop engines from Ukraine to make drones. The increase in imports is an alarming sign for the Turkish defense industry, underscoring its extreme dependency on foreign inputs. In other words, the increase in exports has relied heavily on imports.

Of note, some European defense industry companies slapped embargoes on Turkey and some European governments banned the sale of certain products to the country during Operation Peace Spring in northeast Syria in October and November 2019. Turkey’s campaign targeted Syrian Kurdish militia affiliated with the armed Kurdistan Workers Party group in Turkey, which Ankara considers a terrorist organization. Finland, for instance, halted steel exports to Turkey, while London suspended the involvement of British firms in Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet project, which was already ridden with delays over engine problems. Germany, Italy, the Czech Republic, Norway and Sweden also banned sales to Turkish firms. A defense industry expert interviewed by Al-Monitor estimates that the embargoes related to Operation Peace Spring have cost Turkey around $1 billion in production losses.

Other figures in the report are more encouraging. Spending on research and development was up by more than 15%, reaching nearly $1.7 billion from some $1.4 billion in 2018. Research and development budgets have continued to expand since 2016, which is a promising sign for the future. The breakdowns show that spending on technology development, in particular, has shot up. The sum reached $249 million last year, increasing 67% from $149 million in 2018. The upticks speak of an increasing focus on high-tech advancement in the Turkish defense industry.

Yet the legal and bureaucratic framework on intellectual property rights continues to fall short of supporting this drive. Because of regulatory loopholes, many defense industry firms involved in research and development are embroiled in legal battles with each other over claims of intellectual property infringements. This spoils trust within the sector and deters firms from collaborating, forming joint ventures and jumping into bigger projects.

In another downside, new orders in 2019 totaled $10.7 billion, a decrease of more than 12% from the previous year. The drop, which came amid economic turmoil in Turkey, ongoing quality and trust problems in the sector and various crises stemming from Ankara’s foreign policy, shows that Turkish defense industry firms are struggling to find foreign markets and that the sector has a structural export problem. Given that the sector now supplies 90% of domestic needs, one may suggest the domestic market has reached a point of saturation. Without expanding foreign sales, Turkey can hardly sustain the expansion of the sector. Turkish defense industry firms will be fighting for contracts on the international market and the competition will be much more aggressive.

Other structural problems slowing progress in the sector include crony capitalism, extreme politicization and human capital shortages caused by brain drain.

The next several years will be highly critical for the future of the Turkish defense industry. Whether it can get past the sustainability phase and grow into a global actor will depend on the decisions and steps that Ankara takes.



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Yes Turkey has a high reliance on imports of critical components like
engines but this will gradually reduce as this decade progresses.

People expect Turkey to become a second USA in just 1 decade. This is not possible and a wrong goal in my opinion.

We've matured and now we're on the threshold of the second phase of industrialization. This part is much more complicated and it needs much more time to develop properly. We will see failure and succees coming from Turkey. This is very normal and nothing to worry about.

What might look like a weakness is actually a good sign. The important thing is to not lose focus.

Our defense sector has its flaws but I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed which shows us that the fundamentals of our industry is exceptionally healthy and full of potential.

Just focus. And don't care about what people talk.
 
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The structural problems are solvable problems that will make Turkey independent

The alternative is reliance on foreign powers that would like nothing more than have a country like Turkey dependent on their good will


Turkey is doing great, no one said this self dependent path would be easy


From a Pakistani point of view the more success Turkey and China have the better it is for us, already our own path to self dependence has come on leaps and bounds due to the input of these two allies
 
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People expect Turkey to become a second USA in just 1 decade. This is not possible and a wrong goal in my opinion.

We've matured and now we're on the threshold of the second phase of industrialization. This part is much more complicated and it needs much more time to develop properly. We will see failure and succees coming from Turkey. This is very normal and nothing to worry about.

What might look like a weakness is actually a good sign. The important thing is to not lose focus.

Our defense sector has its flaws but I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed which shows us that the fundamentals of our industry is exceptionally healthy and full of potential.

Just focus. And don't care about what people talk.
Sustaining the initial progress and development is more difficult phase.
 
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This is a bad article, you can't build everything from scratch in one go, thats a bad model of development, b/c one element being delayed, causes other elements to be delayed, which slows down production, which slows down sales which slows down deployment. The proper way to do things, is piecewise, with drop in replacements, if you dont have a fully built out domestic supply chain. The Author mentioned Ukrainian engines, but to start using domestic engines for turkey would mean delaying production for the UAVS until a proper engine could be tested and developed, which would cause problems elsewhere. There is the risk of elements being sanctioned, but thats an unavoidable element in development. The only thing that could be critiqued in Turkey's defense procurements IMO is an over reliance from one source for certain equipment and the lack of codevelopment as part of a consortium. As text becomes more and more complex, it will become more and more expensive to develop, it is crucial to develop these elements as a consortium else its not sustainable.
 
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Turkey is doing fine but they started very late

all those decades from 1960s to 2000 they imported stuff from US with no home grown programme

they have reached indigenous products at the low end like missiles and also now medium sized products like radars etc

however high end they still have a way to go, like core engine technology, turbofan and turboshaft

and engine technology is takes forever, for land, sea and air and the air the last to me be mastered

China only in 2020 reached this goal, with indigenous engines for J20, J10C and J16 coming in the last few months and even maybe naval J15B with WS-series engines

so Turkey will be after 2030 for sure

basically you are getting NATO standard equipment if not better for a cheaper price why would anyone not buy, which is why Turkish military exports are so high
 
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Al Monitor is a clearly biased and anti-Turk publication owned by a Lebanese-American (i.e. Armenian) and financed by vehemently anti-Turkish Gulf capital. Nothing they write reflects the truth.

This douche bag called "Metin Gurcan" is just another anti-Turkish "Burak Ege Bokdil" who writes for US-based DefenseNews and US defense companies. You cannot hear them ever convey anything positive about Turkish defense industry because they are PAID to constantly badmouth it.

Fcuk them and fcuk everyone who share and spread their bullshit articles.
 
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Reducing heavy industries was part of accepting the Marshall Plan for Turkey. My understanding is that Turkey was asked to give up her industries which competed with the US ones to accept the Marshall Plan.

Here is some more info:

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Unfortunately we have a lot of STUPID MOTHERFUUCKERS in Turkey who view this as America doing a "positive" thing for Turkey rather than negative. They lack the mental facilities to comprehend the fact that every US military handout (second hand surplus junk) meant Turkey doesn't develop the scientific and industrial capabilities crucial for being an independent, sovereign state in the long run, and being able to look after its own national interests. They assumed that US and Turkish goals in the Middle East, East Med, etc would never oppose. They clearly assumed WRONG. This is why we now have S-400 instead of Patriot. This is why we're flying Ankas and TB-2s instead of Predators. This is why we're developing TF-X instead of F-35.
 
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Unfortunately we have a lot of STUPID MOTHERFUUCKERS in Turkey who view this as America doing a "positive" thing for Turkey rather than negative. They lack the mental facilities to comprehend the fact that every US military handout (second hand surplus junk) meant Turkey doesn't develop the scientific and industrial capabilities crucial for being an independent, sovereign state in the long run, and being able to look after its own national interests. They assumed that US and Turkish goals in the Middle East, East Med, etc would never oppose. They clearly assumed WRONG. This is why we now have S-400 instead of Patriot. This is why we're flying Ankas and TB-2s instead of Predators. This is why we're developing TF-X instead of F-35.
The country has seen FM's like Necmettin Sadak.
 
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This is a bad article, you can't build everything from scratch in one go, thats a bad model of development, b/c one element being delayed, causes other elements to be delayed, which slows down production, which slows down sales which slows down deployment. The proper way to do things, is piecewise, with drop in replacements, if you dont have a fully built out domestic supply chain. The Author mentioned Ukrainian engines, but to start using domestic engines for turkey would mean delaying production for the UAVS until a proper engine could be tested and developed, which would cause problems elsewhere. There is the risk of elements being sanctioned, but thats an unavoidable element in development. The only thing that could be critiqued in Turkey's defense procurements IMO is an over reliance from one source for certain equipment and the lack of codevelopment as part of a consortium. As text becomes more and more complex, it will become more and more expensive to develop, it is crucial to develop these elements as a consortium else its not sustainable.

Who is the author?
 
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only thing the artile says is there is fundamental problem here, fundamental problem there... But they dont mention eatly what
 
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