Is the Su-30MKI Superior to the Eurofighter And Rafale?

[Zarvan]

Su-30mki beats Typhoon in Indradhanush combat exercises with 12-0 scoreline
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In the recently concluded international air combat exercises featuring the Indian Air Force’ (IAF) Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters and British Royal Air Force Typhoon jets, the Su-30MKI outsmarted the Eurofighter Typhoon 12-0 in the Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

If the Su-30MKI has a tactical advantage over the Typhoon, the same advantage should extend over the Rafale as well, both of which are more expensive than the Russian origin aircraft.

Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale can be closely compared. Both the fighters have nearly identical size, power and performance. Both are twin-engined Eurocanards. Both aircraft are capable of carrying advanced Electronic warfare suites equipped with jammers and decoys. Both can deliver ALCMs like storm shadow, AASM or Taurus KEPD 350. Both have roughly the same IR and radar signature. Both are equipped with AESA radars and IRSTs. Both have roughly the same speed and are capable of mounting ramjet powered MBDA Meteor.

The Sukhoi-30 MKI mounts a Vympel R-77M BVR AAM missile and aNIIP NO11M Bars (Panther) integrated radar sighting system. The Russian origin plane is capable of performing all tactical tasks of the Su-24 Fencer deep interdiction tactical bomber and the Su-27 Flanker A/B/C air superiority fighter while having around twice the combat range and atleast 2.5 times the combat effectiveness.

The Su-30MKI is powered by the Al-31FP (P for povorotnoye meaning "movable") engine. The Su-30MKI has a large range of 3,000 km without refueling which allows for autonomous operations that require high endurance.

It has an inbuilt In-Flight Refueling (IFR) probe that is retracted beside the cockpit during normal operation. The aircraft can carry air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, guided bombs, unguided projectiles, APK datalink pods, ELTA RF jammers etc.

“In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights. The Su-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System (IRST), a passive sensor, which cannot be tracked, proved to be a distinct advantage for the IAF's pilots in close-combat maneuvering,” NDTV quoted Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises as saying.

“Both the IAF and RAF used the full capabilities of their onboard radars in training mode, which meant that actual radar frequencies used in combat conditions were never exposed for confidentiality reasons. However, the detection ranges of the radars of both aircraft were not curtailed per se. This was air combat as close to the real thing as possible,” he said.

So does it mean that the Su-30MKI is superior to the two leading European fighters? Experts are divided on this as the Russian aircraft won in a dogfight, a type of aerial warfare which went out of practice in the 80s with network-centric warfare now in vogue.

Both Eurofighter and Dassault were contenders for the Indian Air Force MMRCA program. Dassault Rafale won the contract but later with technology transfer and cost escalation issues, India chose to reduce the number of aircraft from 126 to 36 this April.

The MMRCA deal was scrapped only this month. The new deal to buy 36 Rafales is still to materialize.

Is the Su-30MKI Superior to the Eurofighter And Rafale?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Zarvan

ALL these sweets for you

 

[topgun047]

From my understanding
In BVR
EF-Rafale-MKI
In WVR and short range BVR(most likely scenario in Indo pak war)
MKI-EF-Rafale
In Air to Ground
Rafale-MKI & EF
In Electronic warfare
Rafale & EF-MKI
In price and localisation
MKI-Rafale-EF
In Availability
Rafale-MKI & EF

 

[Stephen Cohen]

From my understanding
In BVR
EF-Rafale-MKI
In WVR and short range BVR
MKI-EF-Rafale
In Air to Ground
Rafale-MKI & EF
In Electronic warfare
Rafale & EF-MKI
In price and localisation
MKI-Rafale-EF

The MKI 's EW capabilities can be enhanced
It can carry dedicated EW pods and jammers as well as Internal EW suite

The Super Sukhoi 30 will be a hell of a plane

With AESA and Brahmos ALCM ; it will be a very formidable fighter

TRISHUL: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

 

[Blue Marlin]

yeah sure what ever makes you happy. I never knew the tranche 1 had TV engines? the 3b varient does have TV among other improvements

 

[topgun047]

The MKI 's EW capabilities can be enhanced
It can carry dedicated EW pods and jammers as well as Internal EW suite

The Super Sukhoi 30 will be a hell of a plane

With AESA and Brahmos ALCM ; it will be a very formidable fighter

TRISHUL: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

Have you wondered why Russia only makes large sized and twin engined fighters ?

Twin engines- Russian engines have relatively higher failure rate.So to offset it they always put two engines in.
Big size-Russia is weak in electronics specially miniaturisation hence they make huge planes.
That is why IAF put French Israeli and Indian avionics in MKI
Also Russian engines guzzle more fuel than western ones so large size helps carry more fuel to maintain good range.

 

[Vergennes]

Su-30mki beats Typhoon in Indradhanush combat exercises with 12-0 scoreline
- A +
In the recently concluded international air combat exercises featuring the Indian Air Force’ (IAF) Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters and British Royal Air Force Typhoon jets, the Su-30MKI outsmarted the Eurofighter Typhoon 12-0 in the Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

If the Su-30MKI has a tactical advantage over the Typhoon, the same advantage should extend over the Rafale as well, both of which are more expensive than the Russian origin aircraft.

Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale can be closely compared. Both the fighters have nearly identical size, power and performance. Both are twin-engined Eurocanards. Both aircraft are capable of carrying advanced Electronic warfare suites equipped with jammers and decoys. Both can deliver ALCMs like storm shadow, AASM or Taurus KEPD 350. Both have roughly the same IR and radar signature. Both are equipped with AESA radars and IRSTs. Both have roughly the same speed and are capable of mounting ramjet powered MBDA Meteor.

The Sukhoi-30 MKI mounts a Vympel R-77M BVR AAM missile and aNIIP NO11M Bars (Panther) integrated radar sighting system. The Russian origin plane is capable of performing all tactical tasks of the Su-24 Fencer deep interdiction tactical bomber and the Su-27 Flanker A/B/C air superiority fighter while having around twice the combat range and atleast 2.5 times the combat effectiveness.

The Su-30MKI is powered by the Al-31FP (P for povorotnoye meaning "movable") engine. The Su-30MKI has a large range of 3,000 km without refueling which allows for autonomous operations that require high endurance.

It has an inbuilt In-Flight Refueling (IFR) probe that is retracted beside the cockpit during normal operation. The aircraft can carry air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, guided bombs, unguided projectiles, APK datalink pods, ELTA RF jammers etc.

“In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights. The Su-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System (IRST), a passive sensor, which cannot be tracked, proved to be a distinct advantage for the IAF's pilots in close-combat maneuvering,” NDTV quoted Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises as saying.

“Both the IAF and RAF used the full capabilities of their onboard radars in training mode, which meant that actual radar frequencies used in combat conditions were never exposed for confidentiality reasons. However, the detection ranges of the radars of both aircraft were not curtailed per se. This was air combat as close to the real thing as possible,” he said.

So does it mean that the Su-30MKI is superior to the two leading European fighters? Experts are divided on this as the Russian aircraft won in a dogfight, a type of aerial warfare which went out of practice in the 80s with network-centric warfare now in vogue.

Both Eurofighter and Dassault were contenders for the Indian Air Force MMRCA program. Dassault Rafale won the contract but later with technology transfer and cost escalation issues, India chose to reduce the number of aircraft from 126 to 36 this April.

The MMRCA deal was scrapped only this month. The new deal to buy 36 Rafales is still to materialize.

Is the Su-30MKI Superior to the Eurofighter And Rafale?

@Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

Have Indian Su-30s really “dominated” RAF Typhoons in aerial combat with a 12-0 scoreline? Most probably not.

As we have already reported, four Indian Air Force Su-30MKI Flankers from 2 Sqd have recently been deployed to RAF Coningsby, UK, to take part in Indradhanush 2015, a two-week training exercise with the Royal Air Force Typhoon FGR4s.

The exercise has ended and the Russian-built aircraft have returned to India but Exercise Indradhanush 2015 left an unexpected trail of controversy after Group Captain Srivastav, the Indian Contingent Commander in the drills, told the Indian NDTV that the performance of his pilots was “exceptional.”

According to Srivastav, India’s most experienced Su-30 pilot, the IAF pilots came away from the exercise with a resounding 12-0 victory against the RAF Typhoons in WVR (Within Visual Range) engagements conducted while in the UK.

Here’s the report of the mock aerial combat exercises published on the NDTV website:

“The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor ‘shooting’ down both ‘enemy’ jets.”

So, not only held the Su-30s an edge on the Typhoons on 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2, but even when a Sukhoi flew against two Typhoons, it managed to shoot down both enemies.

The response to such claims was almost immediate, even though not too detailed. According to an RAF source quoted in an Independent piece the Indian claims were “clearly designed for a domestic audience“.

A UK MoD blog on this topic said: “As you would expect, advanced military capabilities are rarely operated to the limits of their potential, especially when exercising against other nations’ aircraft. This exercise was no exception for the Typhoon Force.”

True.

A spokesperson for the RAF just said:

“Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force. Both forces learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF.”

So, the outcome of the engagements is at least unclear. However something can be said.

First of all, the purpose of such exercises is usually to study the opponents, learn their tactics and strategy, sometimes without showing the “enemy” the full extent of a weapon system capability (even though the latter is also the “excuse” air arms most frequently use to comment alleged defeats). Then, the kill ratio depends on how the scenario has been set up, with the Rules Of Engagement affecting the number of simulated kills.

Actually, this wasn’t the first time the Indian Air Force publicly claimed a resounding (and debated) victory: during Cope India 04, Indian Su-30 were able to achieve a 9:1 kill ratio against U.S. Air Force F-15C jets from 3rd Wing based at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska.

In that case, the kill ratio was confirmed but it was also explained that the F-15s were defeated because they lacked an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) and were called to fight the Su-30s in scenarios that involved six Eagles against up to eighteen IAF aircraft with no chance to simulate any beyond visual range (BVR) missile shot (due to the Indian request of not using the AMRAAM). Furthermore, since the drills took place during F-22 budget reviews, some analysts affirm the Air Force intentionally accepted the challenging ROE (Rules Of Engagement) to gain more Raptors…

Anyway, just like all the simulated kills we have much talked about in the past, including some involving F-22 shot down, all these kill ratio claims should be taken with a grain of salt since they are often used for internal “propaganda” and marketing purposes and they have very little value unless we have some details about the scenario, the supporting assets involved in the engagement (AWACS, Electronic Warfare platforms, Ground Controlled Interceptors, etc.) and the ROE.

In this case, for instance, dealing with the ROE, an RAF source said the Typhoons fought “with one arm behind their backs.”

Moreover, WVR engagements, in which the super-maneuverable Su-30 excels, are less likely than BVR (Beyond Visual Range) ones where a Flanker would be much more vulnerable, as Indradhanush 2015 seems to have proved.

Here is what Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV about LFE (Large Force Engagements) that saw from 4 vs 4 to 8 vs 8 engagements at BVR in the skies near Coningsby:

“Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed “fairly well” though “quantifying [the results] is difficult”. It was not unexpected for the IAF to “lose” one or two jets (over all the Large Force Engagements put together) given that the movement of each formation was directed by fighter controllers coordinating an overall air battle.”

The Aviationist » Have Indian Su-30s really “dominated” RAF Typhoons in aerial combat with a 12-0 scoreline? Most probably not.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Have you wondered why Russia only makes large sized and twin engined fighters ?

Twin engines- Russian engines have relatively higher failure rate.So to offset it they always put two engines in.
Big size-Russia is weak in electronics specially miniaturisation hence they make huge planes.
That is why IAF put French Israeli and Indian avionics in MKI
Also Russian engines guzzle more fuel than western ones so large size helps carry more fuel to maintain good range.

All this is true but Right now SU 30 is a very good fighter

And till Rafale and FGFA come in ; it is our only hope

 

[kaykay]

No. Both Rafale and Typhoons are better than MKIs. Though super sukhoi updates will make them as par or even better.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No. Both Rafale and Typhoons are better than MKIs. Though super sukhoi updates will make them as par or even better.

The SU 30 has exercised with FOUR Top class planes
namely F 15 ; F 16 ; Eurofighter and Rafale

All the inputs will help in the Super Sukhoi upgradation programme ;
which is an absolute necessity

 

[Blue Marlin]

@Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

Have Indian Su-30s really “dominated” RAF Typhoons in aerial combat with a 12-0 scoreline? Most probably not.

As we have already reported, four Indian Air Force Su-30MKI Flankers from 2 Sqd have recently been deployed to RAF Coningsby, UK, to take part in Indradhanush 2015, a two-week training exercise with the Royal Air Force Typhoon FGR4s.

The exercise has ended and the Russian-built aircraft have returned to India but Exercise Indradhanush 2015 left an unexpected trail of controversy after Group Captain Srivastav, the Indian Contingent Commander in the drills, told the Indian NDTV that the performance of his pilots was “exceptional.”

According to Srivastav, India’s most experienced Su-30 pilot, the IAF pilots came away from the exercise with a resounding 12-0 victory against the RAF Typhoons in WVR (Within Visual Range) engagements conducted while in the UK.

Here’s the report of the mock aerial combat exercises published on the NDTV website:

“The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor ‘shooting’ down both ‘enemy’ jets.”

So, not only held the Su-30s an edge on the Typhoons on 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2, but even when a Sukhoi flew against two Typhoons, it managed to shoot down both enemies.

The response to such claims was almost immediate, even though not too detailed. According to an RAF source quoted in an Independent piece the Indian claims were “clearly designed for a domestic audience“.

A UK MoD blog on this topic said: “As you would expect, advanced military capabilities are rarely operated to the limits of their potential, especially when exercising against other nations’ aircraft. This exercise was no exception for the Typhoon Force.”

True.

A spokesperson for the RAF just said:

“Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force. Both forces learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF.”

So, the outcome of the engagements is at least unclear. However something can be said.

First of all, the purpose of such exercises is usually to study the opponents, learn their tactics and strategy, sometimes without showing the “enemy” the full extent of a weapon system capability (even though the latter is also the “excuse” air arms most frequently use to comment alleged defeats). Then, the kill ratio depends on how the scenario has been set up, with the Rules Of Engagement affecting the number of simulated kills.

Actually, this wasn’t the first time the Indian Air Force publicly claimed a resounding (and debated) victory: during Cope India 04, Indian Su-30 were able to achieve a 9:1 kill ratio against U.S. Air Force F-15C jets from 3rd Wing based at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska.

In that case, the kill ratio was confirmed but it was also explained that the F-15s were defeated because they lacked an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) and were called to fight the Su-30s in scenarios that involved six Eagles against up to eighteen IAF aircraft with no chance to simulate any beyond visual range (BVR) missile shot (due to the Indian request of not using the AMRAAM). Furthermore, since the drills took place during F-22 budget reviews, some analysts affirm the Air Force intentionally accepted the challenging ROE (Rules Of Engagement) to gain more Raptors…

Anyway, just like all the simulated kills we have much talked about in the past, including some involving F-22 shot down, all these kill ratio claims should be taken with a grain of salt since they are often used for internal “propaganda” and marketing purposes and they have very little value unless we have some details about the scenario, the supporting assets involved in the engagement (AWACS, Electronic Warfare platforms, Ground Controlled Interceptors, etc.) and the ROE.

In this case, for instance, dealing with the ROE, an RAF source said the Typhoons fought “with one arm behind their backs.”

Moreover, WVR engagements, in which the super-maneuverable Su-30 excels, are less likely than BVR (Beyond Visual Range) ones where a Flanker would be much more vulnerable, as Indradhanush 2015 seems to have proved.

Here is what Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV about LFE (Large Force Engagements) that saw from 4 vs 4 to 8 vs 8 engagements at BVR in the skies near Coningsby:

“Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements, Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed “fairly well” though “quantifying [the results] is difficult”. It was not unexpected for the IAF to “lose” one or two jets (over all the Large Force Engagements put together) given that the movement of each formation was directed by fighter controllers coordinating an overall air battle.”

The Aviationist » Have Indian Su-30s really “dominated” RAF Typhoons in aerial combat with a 12-0 scoreline? Most probably not.

why is it when i try to find this...... i cant but you can.
how dare you put the mki to shame. the suppa duppa mki is like the godfather in the skies!
//////////////////////////

well i said it and i will say it again. we will NEVER reveil the typhoon true capabilities whilst training. only to very close allies. the french and the usa are two examples.

 

[Windjammer]

Why did India claim that the Indian Air Force beat the RAF 12-0 in a training exercise?


That's because in india one thing you will find abundant: Propaganda and self praise. This has gone to such extremes that indian media is writing and making up stories even before an event has occurred sometimes. Many times.

It is no surprise that indian air force claimed some whitewash victory over British air force, although such exercises are not a battlezone but the news coming out of India picture it as such. The purpose of such exercises is to create mock up scenarios and try to learn about pilot tactics of other nations and learn from mutual experience. The aim definitely is NOT to brag and drag your feet over it. You would NEVER ever find any other nation bragging any victory over any other country in such exercise. Last time indians were invited to Red flag in US and the outcome was same, although american pilots were found ridiculing indian pilots. Every day there are world's best forces from Russia, China, US, Israel, France, Japan, Pakistan and many other countries are joining these exercises and what comes out of these is so less that people do not even hear about them - but of course how would that be a curry if its not spicy in india and for that matter indians like spice and masala coated fiction. Things like India is the best air force in the world. Yeah right, you are flying russian jets in a british exercise and you are the best. You go to Russia and US to get your pilots trained and you are best. Everything in india for some reason is just the best. Taj mahal is the best piece of architecture even though its designed and built by muslims. India army is the best, although it is protected by laws like AFSPA and has highest suicide rates in the world. Indian Tejas is the best although it is unable to make it to flyers league.

The answer to this question is that it was done for same reason of propaganda as it is done in other situations - except that this time British caught Indians off guard to expose them. That only brought shame to IAF when it had to back track on its ambitious score.

And the false information was provided to media by also IAF itself. It was not indian media who made it up only. British were quick to deny it rightly because first off the exercise did not employ all tactics and this so called 12-0 victory was in WVR combat. That is a combat that will rarely happen in modern era. Most of the theatre is in BVR now. And If any indian is trying to tell you that sukhoi 30 has a better radar than eurofighter, he is simply making it up. Eurofighter has without doubt better avionics, EW, radar, weapons, flight performance, and overall package. If SU-30 is such a better machine then IAF would never have needed to replace its migs with rafale or eurofighter.

As rightly pointed out by Brits, nothing like that ever happened and IAF had to come up with an apology statement afterwards.

If you want to take a fair judgement, eurofighter will at any time of decade, outclass a SU-30 MKI. You have a flying truck in su-30 in air. The moment it goes up in air, it is picked up by radars and fighters with small radars.

Don't believe everything (for that matter anything) coming out of indian media. They are known to make up things and provide fancy fictitious data for public consumption. That's all it is.

 

[Spy Master]

So now Bollywood dreams have entered in IAF too...!

 

[Vergennes]

why is it when i try to find this...... i cant but you can.
how dare you put the mki to shame. the suppa duppa mki is like the godfather in the skies!
//////////////////////////

well i said it and i will say it again. we will NEVER reveil the typhoon true capabilities whilst training. only to very close allies. the french and the usa are two examples.

Nobody shows their full capabilities,not even to the best allies.
If you want to know,even in exercices with the US,we don't show the full capabilities of the Spectra for exemple.

LOL....the very fact that the article had to resort to a "PROBABLY" sows how desperately it is clinging for hope

That you would want to cling to such a desperate article, shows you are your friends in worse light


So have fun "believing" that Su 30MKI "probably" did not beat the pants of the eurofightes. The IAF briefing however claimed to haven beaten the eurofighters 12-0, not "probably" beaten them

Just for local consumption,nothing more.

That's because in india one thing you will find abundant: Propaganda and self praise. This has gone to such extremes that indian media is writing and making up stories even before an event has occurred sometimes. Many times.

The purpose of such exercises is to create mock up scenarios and try to learn about pilot tactics of other nations and learn from mutual experience. The aim definitely is NOT to brag and drag your feet over it. You would NEVER ever find any other nation bragging any victory over any other country in such exercise.

Last time indians were invited to Red flag in US and the outcome was same, although american pilots were found ridiculing indian pilots. Every day there are world's best forces from Russia, China, US, Israel, France, Japan, Pakistan and many other countries are joining these exercises and what comes out of these is so less that people do not even hear about them

The answer to this question is that it was done for same reason of propaganda as it is done in other situations - except that this time British caught Indians off guard to expose them. That only brought shame to IAF when it had to back track on its ambitious score.

Don't believe everything (for that matter anything) coming out of indian media. They are known to make up things and provide fancy fictitious data for public consumption. That's all it is.

This isn't at 100% false,when you see what comes out from Indian medias,you just want to jump under the bus.

 

[Spy Master]

Why did India claim that the Indian Air Force beat the RAF 12-0 in a training exercise?


That's because in india one thing you will find abundant: Propaganda and self praise. This has gone to such extremes that indian media is writing and making up stories even before an event has occurred sometimes. Many times.

It is no surprise that indian air force claimed some whitewash victory over British air force, although such exercises are not a battlezone but the news coming out of India picture it as such. The purpose of such exercises is to create mock up scenarios and try to learn about pilot tactics of other nations and learn from mutual experience. The aim definitely is NOT to brag and drag your feet over it. You would NEVER ever find any other nation bragging any victory over any other country in such exercise. Last time indians were invited to Red flag in US and the outcome was same, although american pilots were found ridiculing indian pilots. Every day there are world's best forces from Russia, China, US, Israel, France, Japan, Pakistan and many other countries are joining these exercises and what comes out of these is so less that people do not even hear about them - but of course how would that be a curry if its not spicy in india and for that matter indians like spice and masala coated fiction. Things like India is the best air force in the world. Yeah right, you are flying russian jets in a british exercise and you are the best. You go to Russia and US to get your pilots trained and you are best. Everything in india for some reason is just the best. Taj mahal is the best piece of architecture even though its designed and built by muslims. India army is the best, although it is protected by laws like AFSPA and has highest suicide rates in the world. Indian Tejas is the best although it is unable to make it to flyers league.

The answer to this question is that it was done for same reason of propaganda as it is done in other situations - except that this time British caught Indians off guard to expose them. That only brought shame to IAF when it had to back track on its ambitious score.

And the false information was provided to media by also IAF itself. It was not indian media who made it up only. British were quick to deny it rightly because first off the exercise did not employ all tactics and this so called 12-0 victory was in WVR combat. That is a combat that will rarely happen in modern era. Most of the theatre is in BVR now. And If any indian is trying to tell you that sukhoi 30 has a better radar than eurofighter, he is simply making it up. Eurofighter has without doubt better avionics, EW, radar, weapons, flight performance, and overall package. If SU-30 is such a better machine then IAF would never have needed to replace its migs with rafale or eurofighter.

As rightly pointed out by Brits, nothing like that ever happened and IAF had to come up with an apology statement afterwards.

If you want to take a fair judgement, eurofighter will at any time of decade, outclass a SU-30 MKI. You have a flying truck in su-30 in air. The moment it goes up in air, it is picked up by radars and fighters with small radars.

Don't believe everything (for that matter anything) coming out of indian media. They are known to make up things and provide fancy fictitious data for public consumption. That's all it is.

Seriously...Attitude of Indians on PDF can confirm this bold part...!