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Is Pakistan Pretending?

September 19, 2006: Pakistan has stepped up its war on Islamic terrorism, and no one believes them. Pakistan has taken a lot of heat recently, for it's peace deal with the pro-Taliban tribes along the Afghan border. Many people in Afghanistan and Pakistan don't trust the tribes to keep their word (to expel all foreigners, especially al Qaeda, and preventing tribesmen from crossing the border to spread Taliban terror in Afghanistan). Pakistan made matters worse by, as part of the deal, by releasing over 2,000 tribesmen who had been arrested as suspected Taliban.

Now Pakistan wants to resume peace talks with India, which is to include, for the first time, Pakistan cracking down on Islamic terrorists who have, for the past two decades, launched attacks on Indian targets from Pakistani bases. These groups include LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyiba) and JeM (Jesh-e-Mohammadi), who have not only killed thousands in Kashmir, but also hundreds more in other parts of India. One bomb attack, on the Indian Parliament, in late 2001, almost precipitated another war between India and Pakistan. To help forestall that, Pakistan banned LeT and JeM in 2002. But the ban was more smoke than fire. Both organizations continued to operate from Pakistan, under different names, and continued their attacks in Kashmir, and elsewhere in India.

The Pakistani Islamic groups are also known to train terrorists for operations in Western countries. Several of these graduates have been captured, or killed while carrying out terror attacks. If Pakistan is really going to crack down on this type of activity, that is really, really big news. But there are a lot, as in millions, of enthusiastic supporters of Islamic terrorism in Pakistan. The government there is caught between two pressure (from foreigners, and many Pakistanis) to shut down the Islamic terrorists, and from many Pakistanis, to continue supporting the terrorists.

By the end of the year, another promise will have been kept, or broken.

"Pakistan has stepped up its war on Islamic terrorism, and no one believes them"

Nothing can be truer than this. The western forces stationed in Afghanistan for a long time now have been complaining about Pakistan's unwillingness to reign on upon these terrorists. Instead of complying, it has made a deal with the terrorists to stop terrorism.

Are we to believe that Pakistan has 'talked' them out of terrorism?
 
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Lad, I would first and foremost advise you to differentiate between a 'terrorist' and an 'insurgent'. Then perhaps we can go on with this discussion.
 
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Lad, I would first and foremost advise you to differentiate between a 'terrorist' and an 'insurgent'. Then perhaps we can go on with this discussion.

Either way Pakistan is believed to be allied to them. Allied to the people it claims to be hunting down. That's why no one believes them even when they "step up" their offensive.
 
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Either way Pakistan is believed to be allied to them. Allied to the people it claims to be hunting down. That's why no one believes them even when they "step up" their offensive.

Pakistan can be allied to Taliban for various reasons but not to AQ. The two are different. Lets get that straight.

Now no one believing is a debatable issue. If no one believed Pakistan then US would not have agreed to Pakistan's truce offer to the tribals in North West Pakistan.

There is a problem with the way the word "taliban" is used for all Pashtuns with a beard and an AK in hand. On the ground, things are very complex. This requires tact like the British used when they ruled India. You have to make peace with the Tribals so they can allow you to develop the area and corner the extremist elements. Taking up arms is like throwing oil on the fire...its been counter-productive and we know it and the Americans know it (both principle players in this equation). The rest can have their opinions but the reality of the matter is that as long as the GoP has made the Americans understand the realities on the ground, Pakistan could care less about world opinion.
 
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blain2 said:
Pakistan can be allied to Taliban for various reasons but not to AQ. The two are different. Lets get that straight.
Alright blain, let me take you up on this.

Taliban = Pashtun Sunni extremist group
Al Qaida = Non Pashtun Sunni Wahibi extremist group

Other than the ethnic difference, there isn't much. Ofcourse the Taliban is only Afhanistan and Sarhad specific, while Al Qaida "operates" world wide.
 
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Actually everyone's reported this the wrong way.

Musharraf gave a pretty decent explanation today. He was like the deal is with the tribes and the deal is against the Taliban. A deal that asks them to de-Talibanize the tribes.

Talibanism is an ideology it can be in a Pakistan and we've seen it in Americans too. So nothing's so plain for us to just fix it without trying out these tacts too.
 
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Alright blain, let me take you up on this.

Taliban = Pashtun Sunni extremist group
Al Qaida = Non Pashtun Sunni Wahibi extremist group

Other than the ethnic difference, there isn't much. Ofcourse the Taliban is only Afhanistan and Sarhad specific, while Al Qaida "operates" world wide.
Uhh...yes there is a difference;

Al Qaeda = Universal right wing fanatic movement with a sole goal; destroy.

Taliban = Pashtun/Tribal nationalist-Islamic movement within ONLY Afghanistan.

Al Qaeda is what you'd call a right wing fanatic, extremist terrorist group that NO ONE in the majority likes or sympathizes. Taliban is a rebel movement for the Pashtu folks - its pre-cursor was the Mujahideen which put its rear on the line for the West in the 1980s. Today Taliban has real public support among villagers and poor folks; it would be morally wrong to fight such an army.
 
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Either way Pakistan is believed to be allied to them. Allied to the people it claims to be hunting down. That's why no one believes them even when they "step up" their offensive.

Alas, you are confusing the policy on Taleban and Al-Qaeda with Kashmiri insurgents. While the former two are being hunted (perhaps one less than the other), the latter are only kept in check by making it difficult for them to infiltrate over the porous border to IOK as is agreed with India.
 
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Either way mate, it is a concession to those 'dirty, ugly, smelly kaffir' hindus.. isn't it?

How can Pakistan concede to India? Even if it is a non permanent concession?
 
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Nice flame bait but it aint working. Please try again while I urge Mods to have a look at this.
 
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Nice flame bait but it aint working. Please try again while I urge Mods to have a look at this.

:) :) :) Good


Now about the deal.

Well alas who dont know what tribals means and what is different btwn taliban and Al-qaeda or for that matter the Word Taliban is also being missused, So all such question about Pakistan's sincerity are just to malign us.
 
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Either way mate, it is a concession to those 'dirty, ugly, smelly kaffir' hindus.. isn't it?

How can Pakistan concede to India? Even if it is a non permanent concession?
tsk. tsk. feel sorry tacts now?
 
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"Pakistan has stepped up its war on Islamic terrorism, and no one believes them"

Nothing can be truer than this. The western forces stationed in Afghanistan for a long time now have been complaining about Pakistan's unwillingness to reign on upon these terrorists. Instead of complying, it has made a deal with the terrorists to stop terrorism.

Are we to believe that Pakistan has 'talked' them out of terrorism?

Get your facts straight, pakistan has lost more soilers in the war on terror than any other nation in the world yet you people say where not doing enough. If we wanted to we could bomb target in waziristan and along the pak-afgan border but would that solve the problem or create more hatred? The wests ideology in the war on terror is to drop carpets of bombs while pakistan is trying to create a more peaceful atmosphere by bringing in developement and education to stop terrorism. Remember the single greatest weapon in this war is a paper and a pen
 
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sid said:
Nice flame bait but it aint working. Please try again while I urge Mods to have a look at this.
It is not a flame bait mate. I'll edit it for you.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how it is not a concession by Musharraf Administration towards India.
 
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Alright blain, let me take you up on this.

Taliban = Pashtun Sunni extremist group
Al Qaida = Non Pashtun Sunni Wahibi extremist group

Other than the ethnic difference, there isn't much. Ofcourse the Taliban is only Afhanistan and Sarhad specific, while Al Qaida "operates" world wide.

No this is the truth

Taliban = created by the west itself via the break up of the muhajeed, purely a puchtu group which came to power after many afgans believed that they would bring development. Purely afgan movement and only has small roots in waziristan

Al-qaeda = International terrorist organization
 
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