Is Luyten's establishment of Delhi trying to pull an Egypt on India?

[About.to.be.banned]

" The Empire strikes back"​

Friends and Fellow posters....


In view of recent coverage of minor events by English media of India, and having a good enough memory to retain most of what I read; I could not help but draw parallels between media built-up leading up to2013 Egyptian coup d'état and current media propaganda in India.


In Egypt, military rule which has became an establishment in Egypt was rooted out in 2011 "Arab spring" giving a body blow to the "establishment". In the election in June, Mohd. Morsi came to power, a figure hated by sections of Egyptian society and military generals, giving a body blow to establishment. Within a few months of his coming to power, there were protests all over Egypt against Energy crisis ,and a hysteria was built up in society regarding persecution of Christians. These protests were funded by an Egyptian coptic billionaire Naguib sawaris, and though they were not greatly successful, they gave a pretext to Egyptian military to do a coup in Egypt.

Naguib Sawiris: the Egyptian tycoon with a sharp political edge - FT.com

Billionaire Naguib Sawiris Says He'll Increase His Investment In Egypt - Forbes

The Sawiris family controls the Orascom Group, Egypt’s largest conglomerate, which owns interests in construction, telecom, hotels and technology and employs over 100,000 people.

Naguib Sawiris, who is also a politician and co-founder of Egypt’sAl Masreyeen Al Ahrrarpolitical party,has been a vocal critic of Morsi’s regime. He left the country last year after Morsi was elected into power. He only returned to Egypt in May after a few senior executives who work with his Orascom Construction Industries were cleared of charges related to tax evasion, including Naguib’s brother Nassef Sawiris. During his self-imposed exile, his political party participated in several anti-Morsi demonstrations. His privately-owned television station, ONTV regularly aired shows that criticized the regime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/w...-intensifies-in-gas-lines.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/w...st-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?_r=1

The streets seethe with protests and government ministers are on the run or in jail, but since the military ousted President Mohamed Morsi, life has somehow gotten better for many people across Egypt: Gas lines have disappeared, power cuts have stopped and the police have returned to the street.

The apparently miraculous end to the crippling energy shortages, and the re-emergence of the police, seems to show that the legions of personnel left in place after former President Hosni Mubarak was ousted in 2011 played a significant role — intentionally or not — in undermining the overall quality of life under the Islamist administration of Mr. Morsi.

And as the interim government struggles to unite a divided nation, the Muslim Brotherhood and Mr. Morsi’s supporters say the sudden turnaround proves that their opponents conspired to make Mr. Morsi fail. Not only did police officers seem to disappear, but the state agencies responsible for providing electricity and ensuring gas supplies failed so fundamentally that gas lines and rolling blackouts fed widespread anger and frustration.

“This was preparing for the coup,” said Naser el-Farash, who served as the spokesman for the Ministry of Supply and Internal Trade under Mr. Morsi. “Different circles in the state, from the storage facilities to the cars that transport petrol products to the gas stations, all participated in creating the crisis.”

Working behind the scenes, members of the old establishment, some of them close to Mr. Mubarak and the country’s top generals, also helped finance, advise and organize those determined to topple the Islamist leadership, including Naguib Sawiris, a billionaire and an outspoken foe of the Brotherhood; Tahani el-Gebali, a former judge on the Supreme Constitutional Court who is close to the ruling generals; and Shawki al-Sayed, a legal adviser to Ahmed Shafik, Mr. Mubarak’s last prime minister, who lost the presidential race to Mr. Morsi.

Despite coming to power through the freest elections in Egyptian history, Mr. Morsi was unable to extend his authority over the sprawling state apparatus, and his allies complained that what they called the “deep state” was undermining their efforts at governing.

This part is something which BJP need to pay attention to

Throughout his one-year tenure, Mr. Morsi struggled to appease the police, even alienating his own supporters rather than trying to overhaul the Interior Ministry. But as crime increased and traffic clogged roads — undermining not only the quality of life, but the economy — the police refused to deploy fully.

Mr. Sawiris, one of Egypt’s richest men and a titan of the old establishment, said Wednesday that he had supported an upstart group called “tamarrod,” Arabic for “rebellion,” that led a petition drive seeking Mr. Morsi’s ouster. He donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built, the Free Egyptians. He provided publicity through a popular television network he founded and his major interest in Egypt’s largest private newspaper. He even commissioned the production ofa popular music videothat played heavily on the network.

Something for fence sitters

“Tamarrod did not even know it was me!” he said. “I am not ashamed of it.”-Sawaris

He said he had publicly predicted that ousting Mr. Morsi would bolster Egypt’s sputtering economy because it would bring in billions of dollars in aid from oil-rich monarchies afraid that the Islamist movement might spread to their shores. By Wednesday, a total of $12 billion had flowed in from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. “That will take us for 12 months with no problem,” Mr. Sawiris said.

There are very strong parallel between what happened in Egypt to what is happening in India. India was under congress rule for past 56 out of 68 years of Indian Independence and Leftist establishment has ruled the roost for at least 62 years out of those 68. Victory of Modi in last election combined with subsequent victories in successive assembly elections were first serious jolt to Leftist establishment since independence. That "Deep state" especially within media is now striking back using communalism as a plank. They do not root for a military coup in India, yet they could not let Modi succeed as his economic success would mean permanent end of them. I could not help but notice that there was not a single instance of Church vandalism in August-November period when there were no elections in Delhi and neither there has been a single instance of Church vandalism since declaration of Delhi election's result.Curious, Isn't it? When Church vandalism would have benefited AAP/Congress , there was a Church vandalized per week, but no Church vandalism has been there when victim card would not have gained any political mileage. Similar is case with recent Nun rape case. Even though knowing the fact very well that that Law and Order comes under State, Archbishop of North India gave clean chit to Mamata and held Modi responsible for rape. It looks like NDTV and Times of India have decided that even if a Christian get constipated, Modi is to blame.

The reason that leftist media has chose a communal plank to attack government is that actually government is doing pretty well on all other fronts. Economy is growing at a healthy rate, Inflation is down, and government is cracking down on corruption, and rectifying distortions that occurred due to handing over of natural resources for free by Congress government. There is a good chance that if this situation prevails, UPA would not come back to power for a long time thus eroding "Leftist-Lutyens" privileged in India. This has resulted in media campaigns like this:

Though this should also be acknowledge that supposed allies/enemies are providing full ammunition to them by making stupid statements. The recent statements of VHP shows their lack of understanding of art of propaganda (They should take a course in it from missionaries). The only good that come out of public proclamations of your intention is your lampooning by your opponent.

But them India is such a large country that there would always be attention-wh0res, Sociopaths, and genuine haters. It is not very difficult to pick out one or two instance to run an incessant propaganda.


@SarthakGanguly @TejasMk3 @magudi @jaatram @Echo_419 @Tridibans @IndoCarib @Prajapati @Soumitra @JanjaWeed @wolfschanzze @Marxist @SitaramVillas @doppelganger @Tshering22 @itachiii @NKVD @Rain Man

I am just a casual observer but many of you are member of RSS/BJP. Is BJP taking any action to shore up its defences?

In my opinion, first course of action would be to put motormouths in their place. Even a middle level manager of any company knows how to interact with media. The current relay race of inflammatory statements to media portend to incompetence and stupidity. But this should also be recognized that deracinated Leftist-English media of this country would never ever support them. They would always find one even or another in some corner of India and parade it as a mascot of "rising communalism". BJP need to prepare for the shit that media would hurl towards them.

 

[jaatram]

I am just a casual observer but many of you are member of RSS/BJP. Is BJP taking any action to shore up its defences?

In my opinion, first course of action would be to put motormouths in their place. Even a middle level manager of any company knows how to interact with media. The current relay race of inflammatory statements to media portend to incompetence and stupidity. But this should also be recognized that deracinated Leftist-English media of this country would never ever support them. They would always find one even or another in some corner of India and parade it as a mascot of "rising communalism". BJP need to prepare for the shit that media would hurl towards them.

Media will be put in its place, they have far too many skeletons in their closet.

 

[Tshering22]

" The Empire strikes back"​

Friends and Fellow posters....


In view of recent coverage of minor events by English media of India, and having a good enough memory to retain most of what I read; I could not help but draw parallels between media built-up leading up to2013 Egyptian coup d'état and current media propaganda in India.


In Egypt, military rule which has became an establishment in Egypt was rooted out in 2011 "Arab spring" giving a body blow to the "establishment". In the election in June, Mohd. Morsi came to power, a figure hated by sections of Egyptian society and military generals, giving a body blow to establishment. Within a few months of his coming to power, there were protests all over Egypt against Energy crisis ,and a hysteria was built up in society regarding persecution of Christians. These protests were funded by an Egyptian coptic billionaire Naguib sawaris, and though they were not greatly successful, they gave a pretext to Egyptian military to do a coup in Egypt.

Naguib Sawiris: the Egyptian tycoon with a sharp political edge - FT.com

Billionaire Naguib Sawiris Says He'll Increase His Investment In Egypt - Forbes





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/w...-intensifies-in-gas-lines.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/w...st-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?_r=1











This part is something which BJP need to pay attention to





Something for fence sitters








There are very strong parallel between what happened in Egypt to what is happening in India. India was under congress rule for past 56 out of 68 years of Indian Independence and Leftist establishment has ruled the roost for at least 62 years out of those 68. Victory of Modi in last election combined with subsequent victories in successive assembly elections were first serious jolt to Leftist establishment since independence. That "Deep state" especially within media is now striking back using communalism as a plank. They do not root for a military coup in India, yet they could not let Modi succeed as his economic success would mean permanent end of them. I could not help but notice that there was not a single instance of Church vandalism in August-November period when there were no elections in Delhi and neither there has been a single instance of Church vandalism since declaration of Delhi election's result.Curious, Isn't it? When Church vandalism would have benefited AAP/Congress , there was a Church vandalized per week, but no Church vandalism has been there when victim card would not have gained any political mileage. Similar is case with recent Nun rape case. Even though knowing the fact very well that that Law and Order comes under State, Archbishop of North India gave clean chit to Mamata and held Modi responsible for rape. It looks like NDTV and Times of India have decided that even if a Christian get constipated, Modi is to blame.

The reason that leftist media has chose a communal plank to attack government is that actually government is doing pretty well on all other fronts. Economy is growing at a healthy rate, Inflation is down, and government is cracking down on corruption, and rectifying distortions that occurred due to handing over of natural resources for free by Congress government. There is a good chance that if this situation prevails, UPA would not come back to power for a long time thus eroding "Leftist-Lutyens" privileged in India. This has resulted in media campaigns like this:

​

Though this should also be acknowledge that supposed allies/enemies are providing full ammunition to them by making stupid statements. The recent statements of VHP shows their lack of understanding of art of propaganda (They should take a course in it from missionaries). The only good that come out of public proclamations of your intention is your lampooning by your opponent.

But them India is such a large country that there would always be attention-wh0res, Sociopaths, and genuine haters. It is not very difficult to pick out one or two instance to run an incessant propaganda.


@SarthakGanguly @TejasMk3 @magudi @jaatram @Echo_419 @Tridibans @IndoCarib @Prajapati @Soumitra @JanjaWeed @wolfschanzze @Marxist @SitaramVillas @doppelganger @Tshering22 @itachiii @NKVD @Rain Man

I am just a casual observer but many of you are member of RSS/BJP. Is BJP taking any action to shore up its defences?

In my opinion, first course of action would be to put motormouths in their place. Even a middle level manager of any company knows how to interact with media. The current relay race of inflammatory statements to media portend to incompetence and stupidity. But this should also be recognized that deracinated Leftist-English media of this country would never ever support them. They would always find one even or another in some corner of India and parade it as a mascot of "rising communalism". BJP need to prepare for the shit that media would hurl towards them.

The media is actively involved in undermining the majority community..

If one sees, there have been a lot of closures of NGOs recently, affecting the missionary groups.

Coordinating and choreographing a sudden rise of attacks on Xtians is what they will do.

 

[jamahir]

only sanghi psychopaths will support mullah morsi... the intelligent will support the legacy of jamal abdul nasser.

india needs a real revolution to throw out sanghis and other reactionaries, and crush their pervert anti-human ideologies once and for all... unlike egypt, the indian army cannot be hoped for as the keeper of the citizens' welfare because indian army is quite happy being in the western bloc, where bjp and sangh like to loll about.

@takeiteasy @The_Showstopper @rubyjackass

look at the strange articles the sanghis come up with.

 

[SitaramVillas]

" The Empire strikes back"​

Friends and Fellow posters....


In view of recent coverage of minor events by English media of India, and having a good enough memory to retain most of what I read; I could not help but draw parallels between media built-up leading up to2013 Egyptian coup d'état and current media propaganda in India.


In Egypt, military rule which has became an establishment in Egypt was rooted out in 2011 "Arab spring" giving a body blow to the "establishment". In the election in June, Mohd. Morsi came to power, a figure hated by sections of Egyptian society and military generals, giving a body blow to establishment. Within a few months of his coming to power, there were protests all over Egypt against Energy crisis ,and a hysteria was built up in society regarding persecution of Christians. These protests were funded by an Egyptian coptic billionaire Naguib sawaris, and though they were not greatly successful, they gave a pretext to Egyptian military to do a coup in Egypt.











This part is something which BJP need to pay attention to





Something for fence sitters








There are very strong parallel between what happened in Egypt to what is happening in India. India was under congress rule for past 56 out of 68 years of Indian Independence and Leftist establishment has ruled the roost for at least 62 years out of those 68. Victory of Modi in last election combined with subsequent victories in successive assembly elections were first serious jolt to Leftist establishment since independence. That "Deep state" especially within media is now striking back using communalism as a plank. They do not root for a military coup in India, yet they could not let Modi succeed as his economic success would mean permanent end of them. I could not help but notice that there was not a single instance of Church vandalism in August-November period when there were no elections in Delhi and neither there has been a single instance of Church vandalism since declaration of Delhi election's result.Curious, Isn't it? When Church vandalism would have benefited AAP/Congress , there was a Church vandalized per week, but no Church vandalism has been there when victim card would not have gained any political mileage. Similar is case with recent Nun rape case. Even though knowing the fact very well that that Law and Order comes under State, Archbishop of North India gave clean chit to Mamata and held Modi responsible for rape. It looks like NDTV and Times of India have decided that even if a Christian get constipated, Modi is to blame.

The reason that leftist media has chose a communal plank to attack government is that actually government is doing pretty well on all other fronts. Economy is growing at a healthy rate, Inflation is down, and government is cracking down on corruption, and rectifying distortions that occurred due to handing over of natural resources for free by Congress government. There is a good chance that if this situation prevails, UPA would not come back to power for a long time thus eroding "Leftist-Lutyens" privileged in India. This has resulted in media campaigns like this:

​

Though this should also be acknowledge that supposed allies/enemies are providing full ammunition to them by making stupid statements. The recent statements of VHP shows their lack of understanding of art of propaganda (They should take a course in it from missionaries). The only good that come out of public proclamations of your intention is your lampooning by your opponent.

But them India is such a large country that there would always be attention-wh0res, Sociopaths, and genuine haters. It is not very difficult to pick out one or two instance to run an incessant propaganda.


@SarthakGanguly @TejasMk3 @magudi @jaatram @Echo_419 @Tridibans @IndoCarib @Prajapati @Soumitra @JanjaWeed @wolfschanzze @Marxist @SitaramVillas @doppelganger @Tshering22 @itachiii @NKVD @Rain Man

I am just a casual observer but many of you are member of RSS/BJP. Is BJP taking any action to shore up its defences?

In my opinion, first course of action would be to put motormouths in their place. Even a middle level manager of any company knows how to interact with media. The current relay race of inflammatory statements to media portend to incompetence and stupidity. But this should also be recognized that deracinated Leftist-English media of this country would never ever support them. They would always find one even or another in some corner of India and parade it as a mascot of "rising communalism". BJP need to prepare for the shit that media would hurl towards them.

It is not that the Sadhvis and/or VHP leaders seek media attention, it is the media which has been hounding them. So any private meeting or discourse where obviously these topics will be broached, becomes a public pronouncement which the media seizes and amplifies. There is no way these issues will not be spoken about, after all these form the core topics of conversation anywhere, and especially in socioreligious organizations. They used to be spoken about even during the Congress rule, only the media could not care less and thought providing them space in their papers would be encouraging them. Now it is the opposite dynamics at work. Incessant coverage is provided to discredit them and fear monger, especially by adding masala and gross untruths, in hopes of creating an uneasy society.

 

[doppelganger]

I just said it elsewhere on another thread.

The government and the rising sangh is under attack.

From within and without.

Modi ji should and will stay the course. But he needs help from within his party, and the sangh. Some hardliner morons are not helping our cause.

The rest is mainly fabricated, manipulated.

This will blow over if we all do well economically. That is why the enemies of Hindu India cannot and will not wait. That is the reason for the frenetic spate of events in the past few months. One after another.

They know time is short, and this is the only window they may ever get. Till India is robbed from under their noses. By those to whom it belongs and should belong.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

" The Empire strikes back"​

Friends and Fellow posters....


In view of recent coverage of minor events by English media of India, and having a good enough memory to retain most of what I read; I could not help but draw parallels between media built-up leading up to2013 Egyptian coup d'état and current media propaganda in India.


In Egypt, military rule which has became an establishment in Egypt was rooted out in 2011 "Arab spring" giving a body blow to the "establishment". In the election in June, Mohd. Morsi came to power, a figure hated by sections of Egyptian society and military generals, giving a body blow to establishment. Within a few months of his coming to power, there were protests all over Egypt against Energy crisis ,and a hysteria was built up in society regarding persecution of Christians. These protests were funded by an Egyptian coptic billionaire Naguib sawaris, and though they were not greatly successful, they gave a pretext to Egyptian military to do a coup in Egypt.

Naguib Sawiris: the Egyptian tycoon with a sharp political edge - FT.com

Billionaire Naguib Sawiris Says He'll Increase His Investment In Egypt - Forbes





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/w...-intensifies-in-gas-lines.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/w...st-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?_r=1











This part is something which BJP need to pay attention to





Something for fence sitters








There are very strong parallel between what happened in Egypt to what is happening in India. India was under congress rule for past 56 out of 68 years of Indian Independence and Leftist establishment has ruled the roost for at least 62 years out of those 68. Victory of Modi in last election combined with subsequent victories in successive assembly elections were first serious jolt to Leftist establishment since independence. That "Deep state" especially within media is now striking back using communalism as a plank. They do not root for a military coup in India, yet they could not let Modi succeed as his economic success would mean permanent end of them. I could not help but notice that there was not a single instance of Church vandalism in August-November period when there were no elections in Delhi and neither there has been a single instance of Church vandalism since declaration of Delhi election's result.Curious, Isn't it? When Church vandalism would have benefited AAP/Congress , there was a Church vandalized per week, but no Church vandalism has been there when victim card would not have gained any political mileage. Similar is case with recent Nun rape case. Even though knowing the fact very well that that Law and Order comes under State, Archbishop of North India gave clean chit to Mamata and held Modi responsible for rape. It looks like NDTV and Times of India have decided that even if a Christian get constipated, Modi is to blame.

The reason that leftist media has chose a communal plank to attack government is that actually government is doing pretty well on all other fronts. Economy is growing at a healthy rate, Inflation is down, and government is cracking down on corruption, and rectifying distortions that occurred due to handing over of natural resources for free by Congress government. There is a good chance that if this situation prevails, UPA would not come back to power for a long time thus eroding "Leftist-Lutyens" privileged in India. This has resulted in media campaigns like this:

​

Though this should also be acknowledge that supposed allies/enemies are providing full ammunition to them by making stupid statements. The recent statements of VHP shows their lack of understanding of art of propaganda (They should take a course in it from missionaries). The only good that come out of public proclamations of your intention is your lampooning by your opponent.

But them India is such a large country that there would always be attention-wh0res, Sociopaths, and genuine haters. It is not very difficult to pick out one or two instance to run an incessant propaganda.


@SarthakGanguly @TejasMk3 @magudi @jaatram @Echo_419 @Tridibans @IndoCarib @Prajapati @Soumitra @JanjaWeed @wolfschanzze @Marxist @SitaramVillas @doppelganger @Tshering22 @itachiii @NKVD @Rain Man

I am just a casual observer but many of you are member of RSS/BJP. Is BJP taking any action to shore up its defences?

In my opinion, first course of action would be to put motormouths in their place. Even a middle level manager of any company knows how to interact with media. The current relay race of inflammatory statements to media portend to incompetence and stupidity. But this should also be recognized that deracinated Leftist-English media of this country would never ever support them. They would always find one even or another in some corner of India and parade it as a mascot of "rising communalism". BJP need to prepare for the shit that media would hurl towards them.

There is a reason why I keep people dedicated to breaking media cameras.

Media will be put in its place, they have far too many skeletons in their closet.

When?

 

[kaku1]

only sanghi psychopaths will support mullah morsi... the intelligent will support the legacy of jamal abdul nasser.

india needs a real revolution to throw out sanghis and other reactionaries, and crush their pervert anti-human ideologies once and for all... unlike egypt, the indian army cannot be hoped for as the keeper of the citizens' welfare because indian army is quite happy being in the western bloc, where bjp and sangh like to loll about.

@takeiteasy @The_Showstopper @rubyjackass

look at the strange articles the sanghis come up with.

Why Abdul Nasser? Why not Nehru then?

 

[jamahir]

Why Abdul Nasser? Why not Nehru then?

because the op is making a egypt connection ( talking about "president morsi" ).

 

[kaku1]

1. because the op is making a egypt connection ( talking about "president morsi" ).

2. because nasser is truly a transnational leader.

So, how Nehru was not translation leader?

 

[jamahir]

WTF? Are Indian Army is for law and order? Keeping happy western bloc? Are you out of your mind?

in many societies, an enlightened army helped bring socialist government... indian army is very far from that stage.

So, how Nehru was not translation leader?

transnational, not translation... and no, nehru did not have the appeal for common people beyond india.

 

[kaku1]

in many societies, an enlightened army helped bring socialist government... indian army is very far from that stage.

transnational, not translation... and no, nehru did not have the appeal beyond india.

Sorry auto correct.
*cough* NAM *cough*.

 

[jamahir]

why do you laugh... in our own south asia, don't you know of socialist afghanistan and the role of the army??

Sorry auto correct.
*cough* NAM *cough*.

like i edited-in my previous comment, ordinary peoples beyond india were not aware of nehru... also, nam is a failure whose chairman in 2011 was morsi.

 

[kaku1]

why do you laugh... in our own south asia, don't you know of socialist afghanistan and the role of the army??

Did Afganistan succeed? Give me any example of utopian society where army is in control?

like i edited-in my previous comment, ordinary peoples beyond india were not aware of nehru... also, nam is a failure whose chairman in 2011 was morsi.

Yes, some people use only one part of brain, and totally forget about other aspects. What happened to him during Six Day war? But yes, some crappy people beyond the understanding of Nasser failure,

 

[doppelganger]

I am watching Doordarshan these days.

China has the right idea when it comes to handling foreign fueled dissent.