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From The Sunday Times November 8, 2009
Is it time to pull out of Afghanistan
(Eros Hoagland)

A British soldier, injured during a firefight against Taliban forces, is helped by a comrade in Nad Ali, in Afghanistan's Helmand province, June 29, 2009. The soldier suffered light lacerations on the face and a broken nose.
Christina Lamb
Recommend? After another bloody week in Afghanistan I stood in the Field of Remembrance by Westminster Abbey and wondered if the war was worth it.

The 60,000 small wooden crosses sent in by the public, each pinned with a red poppy representing the blood of the fallen, tell of a nation always willing to make sacrifices. This year a record number were sent in and, for the first time, there is a section marked Current Conflicts.

Among the crowds gathering on Friday morning to pay their respects after news of a seventh soldier killed in Helmand in seven days, few passed without wiping away a tear. Everyone seemed headed for the section marked War in Afghanistan.

There each cross carries a passport photograph, 229 young men and one woman, 93 of whom died this year. To me, having covered the war for its eight years, some of the names were familiar, guys with whom I had shared a joke or come under Taliban fire. To their families they were beloved husbands, fathers, daughter and sons — many just 18 years old.

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It seemed a terrible irony that the symbol of the fallen — a poppy — should be partly what is fuelling and funding this deadly war.

As Big Ben struck 12 o’clock, I watched a young woman kneel and weep. “She lost her boyfriend in Sangin,” said her friend standing nearby. “Isn’t that enough now?”

Also watching was Maureen Ryle, who had come down from Yorkshire with her husband Derek. “It’s horrendous, all these young boys. It’s time we brought them home,” she said.

In a week where one of the policemen being trained by British soldiers to protect his own country turned on his mentors and shot dead five in cold blood, an increasing number of people are asking what we are doing in Afghanistan and whether it is worth it.

Public opposition to the war has risen sharply: in a ComRes survey for the BBC published today, 64% said the war was “unwinnable” and 63% thought British troops should be withdrawn “as soon as possible”. In a YouGov poll last week for Channel 4, 35% of people thought all UK troops should be withdrawn immediately, up from 25% two weeks ago.

On radio phone-in and news programmes, discussion has been of little else. “There is a real chance we will lose this struggle in the bars and front rooms of Britain,” warned Lord Ashdown, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats.

Among those now calling for a “fundamental rethink” is Kim Howells, chairman of the parliamentary intelligence and security committee and a former Foreign Office minister.

Howells last week wrote an article questioning whether spending £2.6 billion a year keeping troops in Afghanistan was the best way to protect national security. He called for a phased withdrawal and more focus on domestic spying.

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Is it time to pull out of Afghanistan? - Times Online
 
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Well, yes. I'm hoping that Obama won't reinforce the troops in Afghanistan and perhaps soon he'll define the Exit Strategy from Afghanistan.

October was the deadliest month for US Army, they faced 58 deaths -- which is a big amount -- they've never faced this much deaths in a single month in last eight years. Besides, almost 52% of Americans, as I read, don't want to reinforce US Army there in Afghanistan. Vice President Biden is against the troops surging strategy too. Few will disagree, as I found some here on the forum saying Biden is an idiot. But whosoever he's, he's 'your' Vice President, and a wise vice President particularly in this regards.

Not even Afghanis want any troop increase in Afghanistan. Quoting from today's New York Times Edition:

In bazaars and university corridors across the country, eight years of war have left people exhausted and impatient. They are increasingly skeptical that the Taliban can be defeated. Nearly everyone agrees that the Afghan government must negotiate with the insurgents. If more American forces do arrive, many here say, they should come to train Afghans to take over the fight, so the foreigners can leave.

Prospect of More U.S. Troops Worries Afghan Public
 
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Exit at this stage will be disastrous for the region. what can be the possible scenarios when they pull out and what effects will it have on the region and especially on Pakistan. I think the pullout will only strengthen the extremist forces and they would say look we have defeated the world's super power. the way they got inflated with the Soviet defeat. Taliban and al Qaeda will take over again and they will make their level best to take over Pakistan too. because if they can beat super power then Pakistan would not be a problem for them. if the US leaves without filling the vacuum they will leave behind it will make serious problems:

1: international jihadism, al Qaeda, will take heart and wreak havoc everywhere.
2: Pakistan will be their favorite target for so many reasons.
3: Afghanistan will become an international sanctuary for all kinds of terrorists.
4: there would be continuous tension in the region. Iran, central asian states, and Pakistan will all be involved.

i believe this troops surge is the exit strategy. At first the US will crush Taliban and al Qaeda with these additional troops and then will handover security to to Afghan forces. i am pretty sure the US will not leave Afghanistan like this.
 
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US leaving afghanistan like that will be nothing but a huge disaster for the people of afghanistan. majority of people in that country dont want them leave.
 
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"...majority of people in that country dont want them leave."

I believe that but why do you believe most Afghans don't wish America to leave. Polls? Personal conversations?

I'd be curious from where your perspective is drawn.

Thanks.
 
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Sometimes I just feel that the US should withdraw. Why would I say that? All the jokers and clowns that think US withdrawl will all of sudden make Afghanistan and the world a more peaceful and safe place will be exposed as exactly that- jokers and clowns. None more so than the America haters in our country. US withdrawl will be devastating for Pakistan and all the jokers in this country will realize that only after the withdrawl. Ignorant people deserve what they get.
 
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Sometimes I just feel that the US should withdraw. Why would I say that? All the jokers and clowns that think US withdrawl will all of sudden make Afghanistan and the world a more peaceful and safe place will be exposed as exactly that- jokers and clowns. None more so than the America haters in our country. US withdrawl will be devastating for Pakistan and all the jokers in this country will realize that only after the withdrawl. Ignorant people deserve what they get.

General Musharraf said the same thing so I agree :coffee:
 
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Afghan security forces are not that much powerful that they can control the country on there own. If US and NATO leaves Afghanistan the taliban will again start gaining control of Afghanistan. And this time they will not only be against USA and NATO but also Pakistan. USA to leave Afghanistan not a good idea.
 
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Allied forces ‘may abandon Helmand

LAHORE: A new strategy for Afghanistan that could lead to a British troop withdrawal from a former Taliban stronghold in northern Helmand province has sparked an immediate controversy.

Citing a senior NATO source, The Times reported that western military commanders in Afghanistan were considering a radical shift in policy that would see British and US forces conduct a tactical pullout from most of northern Helmand, including the town of Musa Qala. The source said the plan to withdraw from northern Helmand would be considered if proposed reinforcements, currently being examined by US President Barack Obama, were not approved. Gen Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Kabul, has asked for 40,000 more troops, but Obama is yet to make a decision.

British military sources, however, said that a withdrawal from Musa Qala would be viewed as a defeat and could not be countenanced. They said it would also be a betrayal of the governor of the district, who risked his life to take a stand against the insurgents. Mullah Abdul Salaam – a former Taliban commander – switched sides to become district governor of Musa Qala only hours before British troops from 52 Brigade and Afghan soldiers retook the town from insurgent control in December 2007. British troops had withdrawn from Musa Qala in 2006 after a “deal” with the local tribal elders, but the Taliban seized control until the arrival of the 52 Brigade. The plans now being considered in Kabul would pull British and American troops out of the towns of Musa Qala and Nawzad to focus on stabilising the highly populated central areas of the province. The only remaining Western forces in the north of the province would be those defending the hydroelectric dam at Kajaki.

The plans are the most radical among options being considered by Gen McChrystal under a broader plan to shift forces towards the defence of more populous areas of the country, ceding outlying and remote areas. The new doctrine is focused on concentration of forces around population centres, main arteries and economic corridors with the ultimate aim of protecting the population and allowing intensive reconstruction. A senior NATO officer confirmed that proposals existed for a pullout from Nawzad and Musa Qala, but said, “No decision has been made.” The senior British military sources insisted that total withdrawal from Musa Qala was not an option, but acknowledged it was possible that the area in which troops currently operated in the district could be reduced to make available more resources for improving security in places such as Kandahar and Lashkar Gah.

Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the chief of the defence staff, also denied that Britain was planning to pull out of Musa Qala, but he confirmed show that NATO’S International Security Assistance Force would be focusing more on Afghanistan’s main population centres. daily times monitor


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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It may that the history will repeat itself sooner than we think, If us left Afghanistan, Afghans will fight each other as they did when Russia left, afghans are at peace when they are at war with outsiders.

If U.S.decides to leave than least it could do is to empower sane people in both Pakistan and Afghanistan to fill the void.

It can be done if majority of Afghans, who are Pashtunes are brought in the fold with Pakistan and are supported to work together to bring peace in both of these countries, and are enabled by supporting brilliant leaders to lead.

By brilliant leaders i meant those who's character is verified to be implacable and who have the courage and wisdom to lead.
 
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