Is it time that we all accept the fact that Iran is at war in the Middle East?

[Saho]

While everyone portray Syrian and Iraq war as a war between dictatorship and freedom fighters (Syria) and between Shia, Suuni and seperatist Kurds.

But Iran gets barely mentioned, why? And you have the biased Western media often talking about Saudi Arabia and Turkey, blaming them for destabilising the Mid East.

The reality is they're taking over Syria by replacing Assad's commanders, officers and militias to Iranians. When you hear the word "militia" they're Iranian led, financed and created by them. The vast majority of the funds and backings comes from Iran, not the world and not even Russia who got their money from Iran to get new toys for Assad.

They're participating on the frontline in Iraq while the Coalition are doing the work on air. Hell, there are probably tens of thousand securing Baghdad or Basrah to secure their borders. In the eyes of Iraqis and most Kurds, they see Iraq as a satellite playground for Iran and often labelled politicians of Iranian stooges. Same goes for Yemen and Lebanon.

Why is it Iran, a non Arabic speaking country are involved behind all the mess and dragged Saudi Arabia into this turning both nations, forced each other to compete by all means using arm race and making different allies in the region which led to more bloodshed.

It is obvious without them, Assad would have fallen long time yet people still refuse, makes no sense.

 

[Madali]

I noticed you wrote this. "But Iran gets barely mentioned, why?"

I was wondering, how far is your head buried in the sand?

If a person trips over a fallen tree branch in a remote village in the world, Iran is blamed for it, and you say, "Iran gets barely mentioned".

 

[Saho]

I noticed you wrote this. "But Iran gets barely mentioned, why?"

I was wondering, how far is your head buried in the sand?

If a person trips over a fallen tree branch in a remote village in the world, Iran is blamed for it, and you say, "Iran gets barely mentioned".

Would you say that Assad is fine and could handle it alone?

 

[Madali]

Would you say that Assad is fine and could handle it alone?

I don't know, Saho, because I'm still in a state of shock when you say "But Iran gets barely mentioned, why?"

 

[Solomon2]

Is it time that we all accept the fact that Iran is at war in the Middle East?

I'm not sure it matters what you write: I'm a Zionist and I've learned that what matters to Pakistanis here is indoctrination, not fact. Facts are only useful when they can be applied reinforce indoctrination; if suitable facts aren't available, make-believe ones are endorsed instead.

While some Pakistanis do recognize this as the core of their troubles, they won't take the further steps needed to remedy their society, choosing either to embrace their lot or emigrate instead.

 

[luoshan]

The Persian Vs. Arab conflict goes back centuries. The recent events are just a new chapter in the ongoing conflict. Its basically a clash of civilizations.

 

[halupridol]

The Persian Vs. Arab conflict goes back centuries. The recent events are just a new chapter in the ongoing conflict. Its basically a clash of civilizations.

how r u posting,,,,u r banned,,pink??

 

[punit]

the vice versa is more suitable. Even if Iran seizes all its activity .. Arab nations will never stop theirs ! hardly any shia calls sunnis non muslims but a vocal minority ( with real power) are always hent bent to prove shias as inferior and even non muslims. They will not stop until Iran ( hence shias) stop to exist.

 

[Sugarcane]

I'm not sure it matters what you write: I'm a Zionist and I've learned that what matters to Pakistanis here is indoctrination, not fact. Facts are only useful when they can be applied reinforce indoctrination; if suitable facts aren't available, make-believe ones are endorsed instead.

While some Pakistanis do recognize this as the core of their troubles, they won't take the further steps needed to remedy their society, choosing either to embrace their lot or emigrate instead.

You crossed all the middle east to express your love for Pakistan,

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I'm not sure it matters what you write: I'm a Zionist and I've learned that what matters to Pakistanis here is indoctrination, not fact. Facts are only useful when they can be applied reinforce indoctrination; if suitable facts aren't available, make-believe ones are endorsed instead.

While some Pakistanis do recognize this as the core of their troubles, they won't take the further steps needed to remedy their society, choosing either to embrace their lot or emigrate instead.

I cant disagree with you.
not sure if it concerns you that this tendency is unique to Pakistanis only or there are others too who share such traits?
no I am not questioning you. that will be pointless

I meant evangelic Christians who KNOW they are SAVED and their Version of the events before and after Jesus are the Ultimate truth and those who don't accept this fact should face the wrath of American freedom

 

[Solomon2]

I meant evangelic Christians who KNOW they are SAVED and their Version of the events before and after Jesus are the Ultimate truth and those who don't accept this fact should face the wrath of American freedom

Never met an evangelical who so confused faith and fact or reasoned such.

Facts are only useful when they can be applied reinforce indoctrination; if suitable facts aren't available, make-believe ones are endorsed instead.

You don't dispute my argument, yet in the next breath invoked the fault yourself, yes? Did you mean to do so or did you do it unknowingly, as a kind of conditioned response. Pernicious, isn't it?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Never met an evangelical who so confused faith and fact or reasoned such.

You don't dispute my argument, yet in the next breath invoked the fault yourself, yes? Did you mean to do so or did you do it unknowingly, as a kind of conditioned response. Pernicious, isn't it?

you quoted yourself so I don't know if you are talking to me or yourself.

no sir its not Pernicious, its called inquiry and dialogue
I meant to make three excuses

you seem to portray us as a unique case and I didn't agree
you shoot in your own foot if you present your opinion as a fact
there is a cause and there is an effect, effect is collective mindset of Pakistanis you discussed. the cause (in my opinion is beyond the boundaries of Pakistan).

bless you sir

 

[Metanoia]

Solomon made an honest point, and I would like to say the reason rationale/wise Pakistanis can't do anything in Pakistan and chose to emigrate instead is that they'll be IMMEDIATELY lynched by a mob brutally for even HINTING at what they actually think.

Mr Irfan Baloch is also absolutely right as well...I've personally witnessed educated Christian and Jewish fanatics...views no better than ISIL. It's the rule of law which keeps them in check unlike in the mid-east or pak-afghan region.

 

[ResurgentIran]

But Iran gets barely mentioned, why?

Iran is pointed out as the bogeyman for everything that goes wrong in MENA. Iran is more hated than Israel, by Arabs. lol

You can also take a quick glance in this forum and take notice of how many negative threads are opened about Iran. lol

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Solomon made an honest point, and I would like to say the reason rationale/wise Pakistanis can't do anything in Pakistan and chose to emigrate instead is that they'll be IMMEDIATELY lynched by a mob brutally for even HINTING at what they actually think.

Mr Irfan Baloch is also absolutely right as well...I've personally witnessed educated Christian and Jewish fanatics...views no better than ISIL. It's the rule of law which keeps them in check unlike in the mid-east or pak-afghan region.

I have no objection to Solomon's point of view but what I tried to point at is a modified or more covert form of same tendency among other nationalities and faith where a differing view or criticism is muted out and the objector harassed by the patriotic blowhards Solomon claims he is not aware of or seen such Evangelists I talked but but I think he is being modest for the sake of keeping discussion focused on Pakistanis only.

this might educate him. bit dated but still holds true.

The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder.


How Christian fundamentalism feeds the toxic partisanship of US politics | Katherine Stewart | Comment is free | The Guardian

I better not go in detail about their dogmatic beliefs because this is certainly not the place for such debate but i find parallels in their faith and that of the Wahabi faith of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Iran is pointed out as the bogeyman for everything that goes wrong in MENA. Iran is more hated than Israel, by Arabs. lol

You can also take a quick glance in this forum and take notice of how many negative threads are opened about Iran. lol

which draws us to the conclusion that Iran must be bad
well since so many people are saying it so it has to be true. Galileo was wrong to assume earth was not centre of universe because everyone said it WAS