Is India's Main Battle Tank Finally Doomed?

[Robinhood Pandey]

So u accept Arjun is doomed

So, u accept that u are an idiot of highest order and u know jackshit about Arjun tank and its operational status in IA ??




P.S how conviniently u ignored my first response !!!

 

[knight11]

So u accept Arjun is doomed

February 2, 2015: The Arjun Mk.II main battle tank has cleared all user trials with the Indian Army successfully and now awaits a maintenance evaluation by the Army and, crucially, a detailed evaluation by the Director General of Quality Assurance (DGQA). The Army has on order 118 tanks that will begin delivery once these two final evaluation processes are complete, likely by mid-2015. The Phase IV user trials demonstrated trench crossing and step climbing capabilities of the Mk.II tank starting in September 2014. Last year, dynamic trials of 120 mm penetration-cum-blast (PCB) ammunition for MBT Arjun Mk II were conducted successfully at PXE, Chandipur.
The Arjun Mk.II will conceivably begin entering service in 2016. With the already inducted fleet of 124 Arjun Mk.I tanks in two regiments in Rajasthan, the Army will be set to operate a total of four Arjun regiments. But the good news for the Arjun programme potentially ends right here. As SP's reported earlier, there are unlikely to be further orders for the Arjun tank of any type. The total number (242 tanks) on order is far from good news: The DRDO has said that any order below 500 tanks (in a mix of Mk.I and Mk.II) makes Project Arjun a dead loss. This is precisely what it is likely to be, which is why products based on the Arjun chassis (bridge-layer tank, self-propelled artillery) or Arjun turret (Tank-X) are being pushed too.

for Project Arjun, the implications of the end of trials are greater. In 2008, the DRDO had also noted, "The major imported systems in the tank are the powerpack and gun control system from Germany and Delft-SAGEM gunner’s main sight from OIP Belgium. The percentage of import content is 60% in the first lot of 124 tanks to be productionised, which will be reduced to under 45% with the manufacture of first 200 tanks and under 30% with the manufacture of about 500 tanks."

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Ifrit @Zarvan

We will ALSO buy ARMATA One day

You can only watch and .......

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Ifrit @Zarvan

We will ALSO buy ARMATA One day

You can only watch and .......

buy it good for you since u can't produce any.

 

[knight11]

• New on MilitaryFactory.com:

Specifications for the
HIT Al Khalid (MBT 2000)
Main Battle Tank (MBT)

Country of Origin: Pakistan
Manufacturer: Heavy Industries Taxila - Pakistan / NORINCO - China
Initial Year of Service: 2001
Production Total: 600

Focus Model: HIT Al Khalid
Crew: 3

Overall Length: 35.01 ft (10.67 m)
Width: 11.15 ft (3.40 m)
Height: 7.55 ft (2.30 m)
Weight: 52.9 US Short Tons (48,000 kg; 105,822 lb)

Powerplant: 1 x KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder water-cooled turbocharged diesel engine developing 1,200 horsepower.

Maximum Speed: 45 mph (72 km/h)
Maximum Range: 311 miles (500 km)

NBC Protection: Yes
Nightvision: Yes

Armament:
1 x 125mm smoothbore main gun
1 x 12.7 anti-aircraft machine gun
1 x 7.62mm co-axial machine gun
2 x 6 smoke grenade dischargers

Ammunition:
39 x 125mm projectiles
500 x 12.7mm ammunition
2,000 x 7.62mm ammunition
12 x smoke grenades

Variants:
Type 90-IIM - Chinese NORINCO-produced Main Battle Tank on which the Al-Khalid is based on.
P1 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gunwith autoloader; German MTU diesel engine; Chinese FCS.
P2 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gun with autoloader; Perkins Condor diesel engine; Western FCS.
P3 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gun with autoloader; Ukrainian diesel engine; Western FCS.
P4 - Pilot Vehicle; NATO-standard 120mm main gun; German MTU diesel engine.
MBT 2000 - Chinese Designation for Type 90-IIM export.
Al-Khalid - Initial production model

Operators:
Bangladesh; China (training only); Morocco; Myanmar; Pakistan

 

[Omega007]

Your ignorance is of epic proportions AK was 50 % partnership but within few years we totally changed the Tank with Ukrainian engine and all the internal systems were changed. AK-2 will be revealed soon and work on AK-3 is almost complete

So??Where is anything different to what I just said??!!Even by your words,there is virtually no Pakistani subsystems except the BMS (even its components are of imported origin) that has gone into the AK project!!And that tells a lot about the level and state of R&D,prevalent in your country.

 

[Zarvan]

@Ifrit @Zarvan

Right now we are buying T 90 MS

It is much superior to T 90 S ; our existing tank

Google

Even T-90 MS has 1130 HP engine even AK-1 has 1200 HP engine. AK-1 fire 48 rounds T-90 MS can fire 40.

@Ifrit @Zarvan

We will ALSO buy ARMATA One day

You can only watch and .......

If we want to buy Armata we just have to give a signal and it would be done but Armata is way to heavy. If it would have been between 55 to 58 tonnes we would have bought it

• New on MilitaryFactory.com:

Specifications for the
HIT Al Khalid (MBT 2000)
Main Battle Tank (MBT)

Country of Origin: Pakistan
Manufacturer: Heavy Industries Taxila - Pakistan / NORINCO - China
Initial Year of Service: 2001
Production Total: 600

Focus Model: HIT Al Khalid
Crew: 3

Overall Length: 35.01 ft (10.67 m)
Width: 11.15 ft (3.40 m)
Height: 7.55 ft (2.30 m)
Weight: 52.9 US Short Tons (48,000 kg; 105,822 lb)

Powerplant: 1 x KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder water-cooled turbocharged diesel engine developing 1,200 horsepower.

Maximum Speed: 45 mph (72 km/h)
Maximum Range: 311 miles (500 km)

NBC Protection: Yes
Nightvision: Yes

Armament:
1 x 125mm smoothbore main gun
1 x 12.7 anti-aircraft machine gun
1 x 7.62mm co-axial machine gun
2 x 6 smoke grenade dischargers

Ammunition:
39 x 125mm projectiles
500 x 12.7mm ammunition
2,000 x 7.62mm ammunition
12 x smoke grenades

Variants:
Type 90-IIM - Chinese NORINCO-produced Main Battle Tank on which the Al-Khalid is based on.
P1 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gunwith autoloader; German MTU diesel engine; Chinese FCS.
P2 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gun with autoloader; Perkins Condor diesel engine; Western FCS.
P3 - Pilot Vehicle - Chinese 125mm main gun with autoloader; Ukrainian diesel engine; Western FCS.
P4 - Pilot Vehicle; NATO-standard 120mm main gun; German MTU diesel engine.
MBT 2000 - Chinese Designation for Type 90-IIM export.
Al-Khalid - Initial production model

Operators:
Bangladesh; China (training only); Morocco; Myanmar; Pakistan

These are not right @DESERT FIGHTER and @Dazzler will tell more

 

[GURU DUTT]

Even T-90 MS has 1130 HP engine even AK-1 has 1200 HP engine. AK-1 fire 48 rounds T-90 MS can fire 40.


If we want to buy Armata we just have to give a signal and it would be done but Armata is way to heavy. If it would have been between 55 to 58 tonnes we would have bought it

mulla i dont like to repond you but think of it as an exeption ... OK

thing is its not 1960s when it will be a tank to tank battle rather it will be a combined effect against your armour and this time first your uber mighty al khalid 1,2,3,4 XYZ tanks will first face mighty apache then LCH and anty tank tracked and wheeled platforms & indian infentarry with all kinds of ATGMs like Milan , Spike , Nag and many other russian ATGMs and even then if some survive they will be bl;asted by ATGMs launched from T-72s, T-90s and arjuns ..... think about it

 

[Zarvan]

mulla i dont like to repond you but think of it as an exeption ... OK

thing is its not 1960s when it will be a tank to tank battle rather it will be a combined effect against your armour and this time first your uber mighty al khalid 1,2,3,4 XYZ tanks will first face mighty apache then LCH and anty tank tracked and wheeled platforms & indian infentarry with all kinds of ATGMs like Milan , Spike , Nag and many other russian ATGMs and even then if some survive they will be bl;asted by ATGMs launched from T-72s, T-90s and arjuns ..... think about it

Your ignorance is of epic proportions. We have Baktar Shikan and TOW and will soon have HJ-12 than MI-35 and VIPER and WZ-10 and few more.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Your ignorance is of epic proportions. We have Baktar Shikan and TOW and will soon have HJ-12 than MI-35 and VIPER and WZ-10 and few more.

he he he guess what mulla .... we have mi-35s for quite some time now and know each and every weakness and strenth of them for your vipers we have apache now and as for wz-10 we have owr home grown LCH and all of them can/will fire latest genration ATGMs like hellfire , lahat , helina & spice and guess what they can/will also come with air launched air to air missiles like latest gen stingers & python5s and even they will come with top cover by jags and mig21s(to blast your anty armour attack hellies & CAS role & air support) ... what will you do then

 

[HariPrasad]

No he keeps posting on Facebook and would be back on media soon

All right Let us hope that it is true.

 

[Omega007]

arjun - ineginous

Al-khalid - licenced produced
T-90 -- lic produced

Where is the comparison

License assembled would be more precise a term to describe it!!

@Ifrit @Zarvan

We will ALSO buy ARMATA One day

You can only watch and .......

Nah,not under this government Armata ain't coming!!And if we have to buy it,then it would be an embarrassment of the highest magnitude,and not something to cheer about as you are doing!!

 

[knight11]

Even T-90 MS has 1130 HP engine even AK-1 has 1200 HP engine. AK-1 fire 48 rounds T-90 MS can fire 40.


If we want to buy Armata we just have to give a signal and it would be done but Armata is way to heavy. If it would have been between 55 to 58 tonnes we would have bought it


These are not right @DESERT FIGHTER and @Dazzler will tell more

@DESERT FIGHTER @Dazzler What is the difference between the Pakistani Al-Khalid and FGFA where latter is not Indian

@Zarvan says "If we want to buy Armata we just have to give a signal and it would be done but Armata is way to heavy. If it would have been between 55 to 58 tonnes we would have bought it" True or False

License


Nah,not under this government Armata ain't coming!!And if we have to buy it,then it would be an embarrassment of the highest magnitude,and not something to cheer about as you are doing!!

Seems FMBT would be based on Arjun Mk2, and would be 60 Ton category, What do you want to say the world have started looking for the lighter tanks like Japanese, and S. Koreans are going, as due the event of the lethal gunships, helicopters, with antitank missile the tanks are becoming sitting duck and vulnerable target. What now needed is not the sheer firepower with the guns and the powerful armour but the coordination between tank, UAV, Helligunships, CAS fighters fused combined with the effective and powerful battle management and sensor fusion. Don't you think that the Heavy Tanks in the modern war have become obsolute, though in the South Asian Region the countries still prefering Tanks.

 

[Zarvan]

@DESERT FIGHTER @Dazzler What is the difference between the Pakistani Al-Khalid and FGFA where latter is not Indian

@Zarvan says "If we want to buy Armata we just have to give a signal and it would be done but Armata is way to heavy. If it would have been between 55 to 58 tonnes we would have bought it" True or False



Seems FMBT would be based on Arjun Mk2, and would be 60 Ton category, What do you want to say the world have started looking for the lighter tanks like Japanese, and S. Koreans are going, as due the event of the lethal gunships, helicopters, with antitank missile the tanks are becoming sitting duck and vulnerable target. What now needed is not the sheer firepower with the guns and the powerful armour but the coordination between tank, UAV, Helligunships, CAS fighters fused combined with the effective and powerful battle management and sensor fusion. Don't you think that the Heavy Tanks in the modern war have become obsolute, though in the South Asian Region the countries still prefering Tanks.

I mixed up the name I was talking about Altay not Armata. Just mixed up names

 

[knight11]

I mixed up the name I was talking about Altay not Armata. Just mixed up names

What about the test of Oplot and whether Altay have been tested by Pakistan in home country.
Whats the PA choice and also yours between Oplot, altay, and mbt-3000