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IRGC Navy Gets New Cruise Missiles

But I believe there is a specific type of engine required in order to go that fast.

Ramjets...

Iran has never made a ramjet. I don't think Iran has ever even operated a ramjet (I doubt the sunburns are operational, just bought in small numbers and put in a bunker somewhere until we could reverse engineer them).

The Navy should invest heavily in this project. Supersonic AShMs are another type of "carrier killer" alongside Iran's AShBMs. Except they can be mounted on vessels relatively easily, unlike ballistic missiles (even the Khalije Fars is quite large by ship VLS standards). Furthermore, the technological advantages gained from replicating a ramjet are huge. Ramjets are fast becoming more relevant outside supersonic AShMs. The MBDA Meteor is a long range Air to Air missile propelled by ramjets. It has Pheonix-like performance, packaged into an airframe small enough to be carried in the internal bay of an F-35 - 4 times. This tech is set to revolutionise BVR aerial combat, but its been a staple of long range supersonic AShMs for decades.
 
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Ramjets...

Iran has never made a ramjet. I don't think Iran has ever even operated a ramjet (I doubt the sunburns are operational, just bought in small numbers and put in a bunker somewhere until we could reverse engineer them).

The Navy should invest heavily in this project. Supersonic AShMs are another type of "carrier killer" alongside Iran's AShBMs. Except they can be mounted on vessels relatively easily, unlike ballistic missiles (even the Khalije Fars is quite large by ship VLS standards). Furthermore, the technological advantages gained from replicating a ramjet are huge. Ramjets are fast becoming more relevant outside supersonic AShMs. The MBDA Meteor is a long range Air to Air missile propelled by ramjets. It has Pheonix-like performance, packaged into an airframe small enough to be carried in the internal bay of an F-35 - 4 times. This tech is set to revolutionise BVR aerial combat, but its been a staple of long range supersonic AShMs for decades.

What would be the developmental time frame if Iran were to focus on ramjet technology?

And agreed, since intercepting a supersonic missile is next to impossible one can only imagine what the damage of a hypersonic will be. The Russian Zircon is now in production after successful weapons test.

But something I like about the Nasir is that it seems to be a smaller form factor than the Nasr. More places to put this weapons on as well as easier transport.
 
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ALCON,

On the question of Iranian ramjets, while we haven't see that technology in Iranian-built missiles/aircraft, the Iranian military does at least have some experience operating them.

Specifically, in the form of the 3M9 missile (used by the 2K12 Kub/SA-6 SAM).

How applicable the 3M9's engine design would be to anti-shipping missiles, I'm not certain, but I suspect it would definitely be of some use..

Back to the Nasir. I personally think this could a major force multiplier for the IRGCN. As PeeD alluded to, based on what we're seeing, it could very well have a 100+km range and yet is dimensionally very similar to the original C-704 (likely just longer due to the booster). For one, the Chinese-built Thondar-class missile boats (the largest surface combatants used by the IRGCN) could have their 4 C-802 launch tubes replaced with potentially twice as many Nasirs and have their offensive footprint greatly increased.

As I suggested in the previous thread, Iranian engineers have effectively attempted the same feat as the Chinese did when they designed the C-705 AshM. Both used the C-704 as the starting point, replaced its main propulsion with a small turbojet(?) engine and added a booster. The main difference between the two resulting designs is China placed the traditional control surfaces with planar wings (see the Soumar/Kh-55/Tomahawks for reference). That likely means the Nasir is slightly heavier than China's C-705 but otherwise fills the same niche.
 
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@eagle2007 thanks, I did not know there were any ramjet powered SAMs in existence, let alone in Iran's possession.

And I do agree with you that the Nasir is a great force multiplier for the IRGC-N. Because it is so small yet relatively long ranged (100+ km), it can be mounted on even small IRGC-N FAC.

 
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@eagle2007 thanks, I did not know there were any ramjet powered SAMs in existence, let alone in Iran's possession.

And I do agree with you that the Nasir is a great force multiplier for the IRGC-N. Because it is so small yet relatively long ranged (100+ km), it can be mounted on even small IRGC-N FAC.

There have been a few ramjet powered sams produced with the solid fueled ram-rocket sa6 being probably the most advanced,most if not all of the others used a separate booster+ramjet combo,these include the sa4,sea dart,bloodhound,cim-10 bomarc and RIM-8 talos etc..
Heres a pic of the chinese c-705,we can clearly see that they went for the same sort of pop out wings that we usually see on larger cruise missiles like the tomahawk or irans soumar.The c-705 supposedly has a range of 140km so if irans equivalent has a roughly similar range then that is a huge performance increase over the rocket powered model.I wonder how long it will be before we see air launched and mobile ground launched versions being shown or versions fitted with something like the sadid e/o seekers
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Fafnir,

This is just a guess but I'd gauge the C-705 to be slightly longer than the Nasir (main missile body, excluding the booster), so that and the lighter planar wing design would suggest a greater range.
 
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Apparently this is one low cruising missile. Per JDW:

The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps Navy (IRGCN) formally took delivery of the first consignment of the new Nasir anti-ship missile during a ceremony held on 22 April.

Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan said the Nasir can be mounted on speedboats, prepared quickly for launch, flies at a low flight altitude, and has an advanced radar system that gives it anti-jamming capabilities.

Iranian television showed footage of a Nasir being launched, apparently against a barge that had been loaded with shipping containers to give it a larger radar cross section. The missile flew so low it hit the barge instead of the containers. It did not explode, possibly because it was not carrying a live warhead, but the unspent fuel it was carrying created a fire.
 
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Apparently this is one low cruising missile. Per JDW:

The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps Navy (IRGCN) formally took delivery of the first consignment of the new Nasir anti-ship missile during a ceremony held on 22 April.

Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan said the Nasir can be mounted on speedboats, prepared quickly for launch, flies at a low flight altitude, and has an advanced radar system that gives it anti-jamming capabilities.

Iranian television showed footage of a Nasir being launched, apparently against a barge that had been loaded with shipping containers to give it a larger radar cross section. The missile flew so low it hit the barge instead of the containers. It did not explode, possibly because it was not carrying a live warhead, but the unspent fuel it was carrying created a fire.

The West has stopped laughing about our missiles. Soon they will do the same regarding our tanks and aircrafts too.

http://www.janes.com/article/69790/irgc-navy-receives-nasir-anti-ship-missiles

Naval Weapons
IRGC Navy receives Nasir anti-ship missiles
Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
25 April 2017


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The coverage of the ceremony showed 10 missiles lined up with their noses protruding from their shipping containers. Source: MODAFL
The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps Navy (IRGCN) formally took delivery of the first consignment of the new Nasir anti-ship missile during a ceremony held on 22 April.

Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan said the Nasir can be mounted on speedboats, prepared quickly for launch, flies at a low flight altitude, and has an advanced radar system that gives it anti-jamming capabilities.

Iranian television showed footage of a Nasir being launched, apparently against a barge that had been loaded with shipping containers to give it a larger radar cross section. The missile flew so low it hit the barge instead of the containers. It did not explode, possibly because it was not carrying a live warhead, but the unspent fuel it was carrying created a fire.
 
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Arminkh,

I would challenge you to find an instance where the US DIDN'T take Iranian AshM programs/designs seriously.

I would contend that Chinese and Iranian AshM developments have been a primary driver behind the increased use of the SeaRAM system in conjunction with/in place of the Phalanx over the last decade, whether the USN wants to admit it or not.
 
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Arminkh,

I would challenge you to find an instance where the US DIDN'T take Iranian AshM programs/designs seriously.

I would contend that Chinese and Iranian AshM developments have been a primary driver behind the increased use of the SeaRAM system in conjunction with/in place of the Phalanx over the last decade, whether the USN wants to admit it or not.

I said West in general. Not just US.

You need to go back to 1990s and early 2000s to find them. Usually the type of ridicule was:

  1. Not accurate.
  2. Copy of Chineese missiles that in turn are copies of western ones.
  3. Not built by Iran but technology imported from North Korea.
  4. Iran can't design its own missiles.

Here is one example:

http://iran-times.com/iran-missile-force-too-small-a-inaccurate-to-mean-much/

I have read similar claims in Janes too. Unfortunately can't access their archive beyond a certain date. Like this one doubting Iran is able to produce the miniature jet engines needed for the missiles:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ihs-janes-epic-failure-soumar-running-on-a-turbojet-engine.365922/
 
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I dont take "west" statements regarding Iran/russia weapons seriously
They always laughed and downplayed russian weapons
Now what they see in Syria what russian weapons are capable of, they are "shocked"
Remember russia neutralising US warship with most advanced air defence on board with an SU-24, witch an electronic warfare device, or Krasukha-4 blinding everything Natio has including satellites within 400km?
Iran blinding us spy satellite with laser in 2006?
Iran jamming Rq-170 in 2011?
Only tip of an iceberg......and pentagon is very well aware of it...
so again, dont take the western MSM seriously, they are just puppets..
 
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I dont take "west" statements regarding Iran/russia weapons seriously
They always laughed and downplayed russian weapons
Now what they see in Syria what russian weapons are capable of, they are "shocked"
Remember russia neutralising US warship with most advanced air defence on board with an SU-24, witch an electronic warfare device, or Krasukha-4 blinding everything Natio has including satellites within 400km?
Iran blinding us spy satellite with laser in 2006?
Iran jamming Rq-170 in 2011?
Only tip of an iceberg......and pentagon is very well aware of it...
so again, dont take the western MSM seriously, they are just puppets..

That pretty much sums it up.

Like I always said, if Iran was like Libya or Iraq it would have gotten steamed rolled a while ago but alas that is not the case.

Lol its funny though, I truly hate it when people say North Korea has better weapons than Iran, it's just not true. Maybe at one point in time way back in 90's and 80's but now Iran is much more advanced in nearly all sectors and is even inovating in some.

When Iran fires a ballastic missiles it's almost always going to hit its targets with a great degree of accuracy and this came with years of testing and getting the formula just right.

In the IHS Janes synopsis of the video showing the Nasir they said the missile hit a rather small looking barge in my opinion and it hit very close to the water. This means this baby is practically riding the waves and makes it harder to detect and a hit in the hull of a ship in the right place is a death sentence. Not to mention Iran will be firing these cruise missiles in large volleys.
 
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Arminkh,

I would challenge you to find an instance where the US DIDN'T take Iranian AshM programs/designs seriously.

I would contend that Chinese and Iranian AshM developments have been a primary driver behind the increased use of the SeaRAM system in conjunction with/in place of the Phalanx over the last decade, whether the USN wants to admit it or not.

Actually it was more of threat of Soviet anti ship missiles. But Chinese and Iranian anti ship missiles not that much different from its purpose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-116_Rolling_Airframe_Missile

The RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) is a small, lightweight, infrared homing surface-to-air missile in use by the American, German, Japanese, Greek, Turkish, South Korean, Saudi Arabian, and Egyptian navies. It was intended originally and used primarily as a point-defense weapon against anti-ship cruise missiles. The missile is so-named because it rolls around its longitudinal axis to stabilize its flight path, much like a bullet fired from a rifled barrel. It is as of 2005 the only U.S. Navy missile to operate in this manner.[2]

The RIM-116 was developed by General Dynamics Pomona and Valley Systems divisions under a July 1976 agreement with Denmark and West Germany (the General Dynamics missile business was later acquired by Hughes Aircraft and is today part of Raytheon). Denmark dropped out of the program, but the USN joined in as the major partner. The Mk 49 launcher was evaluated on board the destroyer USS David R. Ray in the late 1980s.[2] The first 30 missiles were built in FY85 and they became operational on 14 November 1992, on board USS Peleliu.

The Rolling Airframe Missiles, together with the Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System (GMLS) and support equipment, make up the RAM Mk 31 Guided Missile Weapon System (GMWS). The Mk-144 Guided Missile Launcher (GML) unit weighs 5,777 kilograms (12,736 lb) and stores 21 missiles. The original weapon cannot employ its own sensors prior to firing so it must be integrated with a ship's combat system, which directs the launcher at targets. On American ships it is integrated with the AN/SWY-2 Ship Defense Surface Missile System (SDSMS) and Ship Self Defense System (SSDS) Mk 1 or Mk 2 based combat systems. SeaRAM, a RAM launcher variant equipped with independent sensors derived from the Vulcan Phalanx CIWS, is being installed on Littoral Combat Ships and Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.
 
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