Iraqi PM visits Iraqi Hezbollah and wears their uniform

[QWECXZ]

Putting politics aside, i wonder how the Iranian army would have performed if all the executions,arrests and deportations not happened.

The Iranian Army would've performed better in the first two years of the war but it wouldn't have made much of a difference in the rest of the war. Iraq received enormous monetary and military supports. At the start of the war, Iraq had a normal army for a country of its size; But by the end of the war, they had an impressive army! All their forces had become larger than the beginning of the war! That gives you an idea of how much support they received. So, no matter how much we killed, the Soviets, the US and the Arabs helped them replace. It would've been an endless war had it not stopped.

 

[xenon54 out]

BUt TUrkey ALSO invaded IRaq and setup some bases illegally in northern IRaq no? I know you will tell me that was to help Iraq, but legally, its illegal and not accepted as following international law.

Just drop the international law card even if you have no clue about the issue, typical...
Turkey and Iraq have a treaty in this regard, booth countries are allowed to take action on others territory if there is an attack on its sovereignt from other countriys soil, so yeah Turkey is acting according to that treaty with the consent of the regional goverment.
It doesnt matter what the puppet goverment in bagdad has to say.

 

[QWECXZ]

How Pan-Arabism can be disentangled from Islamism?

They aren't entangled to be disentangled to begin with. Sure, religion plays a role there, but Pan-Arabism is not a manifestation of Islam or related to it.

Arabs are the majority of the Middle Eastern population on paper and they kind of think of the Middle East as their domain and territory. Pan-Arabism had momentum in 1980s, but right now the major players of the region are Iran, Turkey and Israel. I don't think Pan-Arabism can revive again. MBS tries to revive it, but he seems inept and he relies on the US too much.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Just drop the international law card even if you have no clue about the issue, typical...
Turkey and Iraq have a treaty in this regard, booth countries are allowed to take action on others territory if there is an attack on its sovereignt from other countriys soil, so yeah Turkey is acting according to that treaty with the consent of the regional goverment.
It doesnt matter what the puppet goverment in bagdad has to say.

That's not in line with Erdogan's regional adventures, looks like you're copying his speeches

As for NATO, they're mainly the white Christian establishment which you're not a core part of.

 

[Falcon29]

Hopefully no demonstrations, ineffective and not worth it dying for. It won't remove Iranian groups as they couldn't give two shits about killing people.

Kill them then, Iraq is not going nowhere with these pro-Iran fanatical groups ruling them. Iranian guys on this forum don't like to talk about what happened in Iraq prior to coronavirus and solemenie killing. Iraqi militias were killing protestors and protestors served them back by killing them.

All you need to look at is this forum. If your country doesn't submit to Iran they will brandish you British country , this and that. Iraqis do not enjoy living as slaves and as long as Iran has influence over Iraq they will have to live that way.

 

[xenon54 out]

That's not in line with Erdogan's regional adventures, looks like you're copying his speeches

I cant even remember a speech of him in this regard.
Just tell me, is there a treaty between Turkey and Iraq?

 

[Falcon29]

So, Iranian regime gets support from non-religious people too? Is there any article/essay/study on this?

Iranian regime are composed of atheists itself, even the Supreme leader is one , why are you surprised ?

 

[xenon54 out]

As for NATO, they're mainly the white Christian establishment which you're not a core part of.

Ok dude, if you say so.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Kill them then, Iraq is not going nowhere with these pro-Iran fanatical groups ruling them. Iranian guys on this forum don't like to talk about what happened in Iraq prior to coronavirus and solemenie killing. Iraqi militias were killing protestors and protestors served them back by killing them.

All you need to look at is this forum. If your country doesn't submit to Iran they will brandish you British country , this and that. Iraqis do not enjoy living as slaves and as long as Iran has influence over Iraq they will have to live that way.

Easy to say whilst being in Michigan, you've done this for years.

 

[Falcon29]

Easy to say whilst being in Michigan, you've done this for years.

No one said it would be easy, but it has to happen if Iraqis want to be free. There are lots of tribes in Iraq that fueded with these militias during the revolution. This forum never covered the massive protests but I can post many videos covering it here.

 

[Rukarl]

They aren't entangled to be disentangled to begin with. Sure, religion plays a role there, but Pan-Arabism is not a manifestation of Islam or related to it.

Arabs are the majority of the Middle Eastern population on paper and they kind of think of the Middle East as their domain and territory. Pan-Arabism had momentum in 1980s, but right now the major players of the region are Iran, Turkey and Israel. I don't think Pan-Arabism can revive again. MBS tries to revive it, but he seems inept and he relies on the US too much.

I don't think MBS is promoting Pan-arabism, he is just trying to copy the Western lifestyle and ideals.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

I cant even remember a speech of him in this regard.
Just tell me, is there a treaty between Turkey and Iraq?

Not a treaty. Also what comes from the 90's previous regime, is not exactly valid at this day and age. Not that I care, this is not about the PKK which you lose a few soldiers for every month whilst gaining money from the KRG. Erdogan calculated the losses/wins and found an acceptable mid-way.

Although let us go back to the early 90's since you keep referring the PKK. The PKK grew as a result of the northern no-fly zone which the US enforced through Incirlik air base. This led to the growth of the PKK, your fellow best friends have fueled the PKK since 1991.

 

[QWECXZ]

I don't think MBS is promoting Pan-arabism, he is just trying to copy the Western lifestyle and ideals.

You need to entice and lure people by promising them a bright future before you can unify them. That's what MBS plans to do. He wants to portray Saudi Arabia as an advanced, cosmopolitan, powerful country and a role model for other Arab countries to make them follow Saudi Arabia's lead. I believe that's his idea. Can he do that? I don't think so but time will tell.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran does have a positive effect on Iraq, if not for Iran, Baghdad would probably be the LGBT capital of the middle east, Isis (and a certain nation backing it
) would have annexed Mosul in the north, the kurds would have encroached even more lands and influence.

Iraqis are not pro-LGBT, this has nothing to do with Iran. US led coalition is one who made it possible for Iraqi army to restore control over Mosul. Iran with it's military capabilities and funds was not able to counter Syrian rebel gains and ISIS takeover of Mosul plus others parts of Iraq. They do not have the capabilities to do so.

 

[xenon54 out]

Not a treaty. Also what comes from the 90's previous regime, is not exactly valid at this day and age. Not that I care, this is not about the PKK which you lose a few soldiers for every month whilst gaining money from the KRG. Erdogan calculated the losses/wins and found an acceptable mid-way.

Although let us go back to the early 90's since you keep referring the PKK. The PKK grew as a result of the northern no-fly zone which the US enforced through Incirlik air base. This led to the growth of the PKK, your fellow best friends have fueled the PKK since 1991.

You will always find a way to blame Turks while its the Iranians and Americans that are looting your country and there will be no end to it if you continue this mentality.

You are just one in the list of endless enemies that Turks have, just get in line, there are other who came before you.