Iraq Kurd leader: 'Time has come' for statehood referendum

[Shapur]

Best of luck to the Kurdish people to get their freedom and decide their own future in their own state where they are not discriminated against, their language and old culture preserved. I just hope they don't become a colony for foreign power who want to meddle in the middle east. I hope the Kurds are wise enough to realise that they have to live with their neighbours in the future so don't do anything too stupid to piss them off. Biji Kurdistan.

 

[SALMAN F]

@Oscar @waz close or delete this thread

 

[mike2000 is back]

Inevitable? Perhaps you might think Uyghurs should have their own state. Perhaps you might think Tibetans should have their own state. Perhaps you might think Catalans should have their own state. Perhaps you might think Chechens should have their own state. Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Not gonna happen.

This isn't the old days when you can fight your way to independence.

Nope even today you can still do that, but it depends on alot of things and geo political realities as well.
South sudan fought a bloody 40 years war for independence against the sudanese government and they finally got their independence a few years ago.

In fact I believe if there is a strong case for independence by the vast majority of people in a given region to the point where many are ready to take up arms and die for their freedom or caus,e, then we should let them vote for their independence or not. Be it from chechen Russians, uygurs in China, kurds in iraq/Turkey/Iran and Syria, catalans in Spain, separatist groups/regions in India/Pakistan etc etc.

These countries can all learn from Britain since we had to grant ireland independence as well after they demanded and fought for it, while giving irish people the opportunity to chose/vote if they want to remain part of U.K which northern Ireland voted to remian with us, reason we now leave happy altogether.
We did the same thing with scotland recently(even though we had no real reason to do so, since there was no pressure or call to arms for us to do do).

AFTERALL that's how REAL democracies function. Let the people vote and choose in a referendum. SIMPLE. After that everybody can then live happily ever after, no point in forcing people to be part of a country they dont want to belong.

This situation are direct result of you ( Turks ) actions , you thought you are really clever but in meantime you were just some idiot who were playing in USA famous Bigger middle east map ....

and we already made it clear , if some one want to separate from Iran , he/She is free to live Iran ....


Actually , one of main objective of Iran is to keep Iraq unity and doesn't let USA begin her bigger middle east problem ... but Turks and Erdogans really don't understand a shit ....

You should be thanking the U.S,U.K/NATO for taking care of the sunni dictator Saddam Hussein, since if not for us you will still be fighting Iraq for some little scrubs in the middle east. In fact Saddam was crucial in thwarting irans ambitions in the middle East. We removed a big stumbling block for iran by deposing saddam and giving power to your Shia allies/brothers. So if anything you should be happy we intervened in Iraq.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Very unlikely, the combined forces of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey would immediately destroy this new state.

 

[waz]

I've been hearing this one for many years, and that's all it will amount to i.e. hearsay.

 

[Baybars Han]

Dude stop playing the smartass here, the last country thats gonna loose lands to ''Kurdistan'' is Turkey, write this down.

He is right, we played into the hands of them. For once accept what we done wrong. Everything from a to Z we done is wrong. Strategy derinlik by Ahmet Davutoğlu hahaha lol. Şu anda pyd düşmanız öyle değilmi? Bir sene önce felan pesmergeyi Türkiyeden geçiren ve onlara yardım ettiren kimdi? Başımızda bir vatan haini var ve ülkeyi uçuruma sürüklüyor.

 

[Baybars Han]

You Turks are naive .... thanks to your unlimited support to Barezani and ISIS , Iraq unity is shaking and there is consequence ....
how many time we have to clean your mess !?

Western did the same thing to Ottoman empire and make it a name in history books , they are just repeating it with new name , new player and under new color ; but grey wolf can't see the COLORS ...

Some stuff you say is correct but some, pfff lol don't even speak about the history part if you don't know nothing. Not that Iran is a saint we did alot of things wrong, our leader had no strategic vision.

About the cleaning mess part? Lol what are you even talking about.

 

[Baybars Han]

Having a Kurdish state within the Turkish sphere of influence is a lot better than dealing with those ungrateful mullah dogs of Iraq. KRG and Barzani have been resourceful for Turkey both politically and economically, so who gives a damn about Iraq's unity. Their army have proven to be incapable of preserving it, even against few hundred terrorists with pickup trucks.

Sen ciddi misin yoksa hiç mi beynin yok? O barzani şerefsizi bizi kullaniyor çünkü mecbur, elinde fırsat olsa gücü olsa böylemi davranır sanıyorsun? İlk önce bize düşman olur, çünkü kanında var. Kanı bozuk şerefsiz doğuştan türk düşmanı. Hiç mi akıllı yok şu ülkede.

 

[Baybars Han]

Nope even today you can still do that, but it depends on alot of things and geo political realities as well.
South sudan fought a bloody 40 years war for independence against the sudanese government and they finally got their independence a few years ago.

In fact I believe if there is a strong case for independence by the vast majority of people in a given region to the point where many are ready to take up arms and die for their freedom or caus,e, then we should let them vote for their independence or not. Be it from chechen Russians, uygurs in China, kurds in iraq/Turkey/Iran and Syria, catalans in Spain, separatist groups/regions in India/Pakistan etc etc.

These countries can all learn from Britain since we had to grant ireland independence as well after they demanded and fought for it, while giving irish people the opportunity to chose/vote if they want to remain part of U.K which northern Ireland voted to remian with us, reason we now leave happy altogether.
We did the same thing with scotland recently(even though we had no real reason to do so, since there was no pressure or call to arms for us to do do).

AFTERALL that's how REAL democracies function. Let the people vote and choose in a referendum. SIMPLE. After that everybody can then live happily ever after, no point in forcing people to be part of a country they dont want to belong.



You should be thanking the U.S,U.K/NATO for taking care of the sunni dictator Saddam Hussein, since if not for us you will still be fighting Iraq for some little scrubs in the middle east. In fact Saddam was crucial in thwarting irans ambitions in the middle East. We removed a big stumbling block for iran by deposing saddam and giving power to your Shia allies/brothers. So if anything you should be happy we intervened in Iraq.

Mike the situation of UK is completely different especially the Scotland case is completelyyyyy different. If I'm not wrong Scotland, UK and Wales became United in 1700s or something and then became a country right? Before that Scotland was independent maybe even slightly or there was such country called Scotland. Even not Scotland is part of the UK. It's a country in the '' United'' Kingdom. That's alot different to the kurds case, I don't know about catalans so I'm not gna comment. Knowing some history, I cannot recall in the last 2000 years a country of kurds, an independent country they ruled, called kurdistan or whatever. So letting scotland decide their fate is complety different to letting an ethnic group in a unitary country deciding their independence.

 

[TurAr]

Sen ciddi misin yoksa hiç mi beynin yok? O barzani şerefsizi bizi kullaniyor çünkü mecbur, elinde fırsat olsa gücü olsa böylemi davranır sanıyorsun? İlk önce bize düşman olur, çünkü kanında var. Kanı bozuk şerefsiz doğuştan türk düşmanı. Hiç mi akıllı yok şu ülkede.

He amk bi sen akıllısın, bir senin kafan çalışıyor. Kim kimi kullanıyor? Adamlar ekonomik olarak bize bağımlı hale gelmiş, siyasi olarak Rusya'ya karşı bile doğrudan bizi desteklemişler sen hala ezberden masal anlatıyorsun. Fırsatı, gücü olsa Yunanistan da, Bulgaristan da, İran da böyle davranmaz diye siktir mi çekicez hepsine zekasız?

 

[Baybars Han]

He amk bi sen akıllısın, bir senin kafan çalışıyor. Kim kimi kullanıyor? Adamlar ekonomik olarak bize bağımlı hale gelmiş, siyasi olarak Rusya'ya karşı bile doğrudan bizi desteklemişler sen hala ezberden masal anlatıyorsun. Fırsatı, gücü olsa Yunanistan da, Bulgaristan da, İran da böyle davranmaz diye siktir mi çekicez hepsine zekasız?

Hakkaten sen başka dünyada yaşıyon herhalde. Verdiğin örnekteki ülkeler çok önce bağımsızlığını kazanmış ülkeler ve durum çok farklı. Bizim dediğimiz durumda tam yanı başımızda bize düşman olabilecek bir ülke var ve bizim ellerimizde bunu durdurma fırsatımız var ama biz ne yapıyoruz, onları destekliyoruz. Nerde rusyaya karşı bizi desteklediler? Sanırım sen Türkiye IŞİD den petrol alıyor dediği zaman ve onlar da hayır bizden alıyorlar dediğini diyorsun. Ona destek denmez sadece gerçekleri söylediler çünkü onlar da belki töhmet altında kalabalirlerdi açıklamasalardi. Hiçbir zaman barzaniye güven olmaz.

Hatırlarsan 2008de kuzey Irak'a kara harekatı yapmıştık ve o zaman bir açta bak ne dediklerini. Politika bir oyun ve 1 günde 180 derece dönebilir herkes.

 

[Madali]

Middle eastern countries should go towards joining together rather than continuing to break apart. The more breakups, the more potentials for wars and conflicts in the future.

 

[like_a_boss]

 

[Ceylal]

What do you mean bro? as I know most of Algeria are Arabs???.

No, they Arabophone, meaning speaking arabic, but they are not Arabs, they are Amazighs (Berbers)same goes for Morocco, and Tunisia.

 

[GBU-28]

We will give the Kurds Gaza and parts of west bank.

The Arabs will go back to Arabia.