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Iran’s Oppressed Christians

By LIANA AGHAJANIAN, MARCH 14, 2014

BERLIN — I met Mori in the basement of a Lutheran church in Berlin’s Zehlendorf district. A 28-year-old refugee who once ran a small business in Iran, he converted to Christianity five years ago and spoke to me on condition that I use only his first name in order to protect his identity. In 2011, delayed on the way to a secret Bible study session, he narrowly escaped when Revolutionary Guards raided his underground Evangelical church. He watched as his friends disappeared into Iran’s prison system; Mori suspects they’ve been killed.

“When you’re Christian in Iran, you can’t speak. You have to keep quiet and not talk about the truth that you know and that you believe in,” he told me. “There is no such thing as a comfortable life in Iran.”

Christianity of course is not alien to Iran. It arrived in ancient Persia not long after the death of Christ and has waxed and waned ever since. But in recent decades, especially in the last few years, things have grown worse. As Washington seeks rapprochement with Tehran over Iran’s nuclear and regional ambitions, the Obama administration must not let its protests over cruel treatment of Christians and other religious minorities fall by the wayside.

Christians make up roughly less than half of 1 percent of Iran’s roughly 80 million people. Numbers are difficult to determine: There could be as many as half a million Christians in the country, according to a report by the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran. It cites research by the World Christian Database indicating that there were 270,000 living there in 2010. Most of them are ethnic Armenians and Assyrians who, though closely monitored, are able to practice their own Orthodox faith. It is the other denominations — mostly converts from Islam to Evangelical Protestantism — that are more likely to be harassed, imprisoned or even murdered.

The World Christian Database counted 66,000 Protestants in Iran in 2010. Open Doors, a nondenominational organization tracking Christian persecution, estimates that Iran has 370,000 “new Christians from a Muslim background.” In the last decade, televised proselytizing, often by ministers from the Iranian Diaspora, has fueled the rise of Evangelical Christianity. Tehran’s ruling ayatollahs see the trend as foreign meddling meant to undermine the regime. Under Shariah law, defection from Islam is not only a sin: It is a criminal offense. Legal and ex-judicial punishment can be severe, yet refugees say that Christians have boldly begun discussing their faith with Muslim neighbors.

Persecution is well-documented. In 2004, Hamid Pourmand, the lay leader of Jama’at-e Rabbani, the Iranian branch of the evangelical Assemblies of God, was arrested with more than 80 other members, charged with apostasy and imprisoned for years before his release. A report last year by Ahmed Shaheed, a United Nations special rapporteur, talks of Christians being “prosecuted on vaguely worded national security crimes for exercising their beliefs,” with more than 300 having been arrested since 2010.

Mori was one of the lucky ones. In 2011, he got a fake passport, paid 7,000 euros to a smuggler and joined the rising flow of refugees. The numbers entering Germany, known for its strong record for granting asylum, have soared in recent years, from 815 in 2008 to 4,348 in 2012, and will likely well exceed that figure this year, according to the Association of Iranian Refugees in Berlin. It is difficult to say how many of these people are Christian. A spokeswoman for the federal refugee office told me the government does not keep records on the religious affiliation of applicants.

Moreover, Iranians living in cramped conditions in converted schools and barracks are careful to keep their distance from one other, wary of talking about their cases or their lives back home. Many fear that Iranian government spies have been planted among them, a regular practice of Iran’s secret police.

Meanwhile, Iran’s crackdown on religious freedom continues. Saeed Abedini, an Iranian-American pastor and ex-Muslim was arrested in 2012 on a visit to Iran and sentenced last year to eight years in prison for helping to build the country’s underground Christian church network. Though President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry have both called for his release, the dream of better relations with Iran has clouded over sobering realities.

President Hassan Rouhani, often portrayed in the West as a reform-minded moderate, has urged an end to meddling in Iranians’ private lives. Last December, he sent his best wishes to those celebrating Christmas via Twitter, “especially Iranian Christians.”

But Mr. Abedini and others languish in prison. As a signatory of international human rights declarations, Iran must be held accountable for the appalling treatment of its citizens if it wants to normalize relations with the West.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/opinion/irans-oppressed-christians.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0
 
OP, do you believe in psychological oppression?
 
OP, do you believe in psychological oppression?

I'm not sure what your definition of psychological oppression is. However, I do believe that groups of people who are oppressed physically are probably also oppressed psychologically. A good example would be slaves in pre-Civil War USA and blacks in the American South until the past 40 years. And, Christians in Iran could be considered psychologically oppressed today. You will point out that Muslim Israeli's are psychologically oppressed today as well. Why ask me?
 
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I'm not sure what your definition of psychological oppression is. However, I do believe that groups of people who are oppressed physically are probably also oppressed psychologically. A good example would be slaves in pre-Civil War USA and blacks in the American South until the past 40 years. And, Christians in Iran could be considered psychologically oppressed today. You will point out that Muslim Israeli's are psychologically oppressed today as well. Why ask me?

No, over there it's a case of an Israeli occupation against Palestinian Arabs. In areas around the world there are some minorites psychologically oppressed but not physically. The majority tries to justify the oppression by stating the fact that those minorites have more rights than they would have anywhere else in the world, while also making a point they aren't pyshically oppressing them. How do you view this?

My honest opinion when it comes to self proclaimed humanists is that they aren't humanist in their core. Otherwise they wouldn't be selective when it comes to their criticism and their criticism would be on a wide array of issues rather than limited and preferred issues. They also refuse to crticize what they hold dear to them. Why is this?
 
Very good, Iranian leaders should continue with this policy.

Evangelicals are US agents, CIA sends them out in all countries of the world to proselytize people, even in US-friendly countries. I have seen a german documentation about Evangelical work in China and Morocco....I was shocked, they are very skillful missionaries, trained by US agents, they know a lot of psychological tricks....very dangerous!

No tolerance for Evangelicals!!!
 
Well, I'm expecting you to reply eventually OP and now I want to get into the article.

This article doesn't give us much information about the reality on the ground. We have a story told by one Christian Iranian man apparently. He tells us his underground church was raided. I think anybody would be suspicious of underground installations which could be seen as hideouts for planning activities.

Then we have a number given to us by the 'World Christian Database', whatever that is. It claims that if I'm reading correctly in the last couple years nearly four hundred thousand Iranian Muslims converted to Christianity. Which I'm sorry, I started LOLing after seeing that figure and don't consider a Christian missionary organization reliable.

If you ask me I didn't get much out of this article, there's not much solid information to it except allegations.
 
@TruthSeeker you are trying to tell me that you care about Christians in the Middle East ??
:hitwall: well guess who is oppressing Christians in the ME?? the US itself, lets start with Iraq... before the US invasion there were 2-3 Million Christians in Iraq, after the US invasion there is only 200K left.. thanks to the US support to Alqaeda... and same thing now in Syria.. if you really cared about Christians, you would began campaigning home... The west have done nothing but slaughter Christians in the ME either directly or indirectly.. best example now would be Syria....
In addition the aren't any true Christians in the west anymore, it is very rare, the Zionist manipulated many things and tried to destroy Christianity.. and for those who think USA or the west represent Christianity they are wrong, even if the president was "Christian" in reality he is not, he takes orders from the Zionist, every President of the US went to Israel and prayed in their synagogue and etc...



get out of here with your false propaganda...

Christianity in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Very good, Iranian leaders should continue with this policy.

Evangelicals are US agents, CIA sends them out in all countries of the world to proselytize people, even in US-friendly countries. I have seen a german documentation about Evangelical work in China and Morocco....I was shocked, they are very skillful missionaries, trained by US agents, they know a lot of psychological tricks....very dangerous!

No tolerance for Evangelicals!!!
Did you use all of your 10 brain cells to come up with that post?
 
Did you use all of your 10 brain cells to come up with that post?

You say the same thing in every post, arrogant.

@TruthSeeker
In addition the aren't any true Christians in the west anymore, it is very rare, the Zionist manipulated many things and tried to destroy Christianity.. and for those who think USA or the west represent Christianity they are wrong, even if the president was "Christian" in reality he is not, he takes orders from the Zionist, every President of the US went to Israel and prayed in their synagogue and etc...

This part is interesting coming from you, could you expand on that more? It's rare to see a Christian state that westerns aren't true Christians, I know that has to do with you being Arab since Arab Christians are drastically different.
 
You say the same thing in every post, arrogant.



This part is interesting coming from you, could you expand on that more? It's rare to see a Christian state that westerns aren't true Christians, I know that has to do with you being Arab since Arab Christians are drastically different.
You have some nerve!

As a pali you need to bow your head when you talk to an Iranian. How much money have you leaches stole from Iranians? Now you have the audacity to open your mouth?

What do you know about Iran anyway? The only reason you give a shit is b/c the arab mullahs who rule Iran give you guys OUR oil money so you can send suicide bombers to Tel Aviv. You don't know jack shit about Iran, our society and what Iranians go through. So zip it p.
 
our(Syriac Christians, Kerala) bishops were from Persia during 9th century and before.so, Persia was the centre of Christianity long before Arabs spread Islam in Persia.
Mar Sabor and Mar Proth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yes, Eastern Christianity is WAY different than the Western Christianity which is familiar for Muslims and Hindus. Eastern Christians are more orthodox, integrated to own country's culture be it Arab or Hindu and does not really identify with Protestants and other farangi sects and Latin Catholic church .
Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eldho Mar Baselious is a saint for Jacobite/Orthodox Christians of Kerala who came from Mosul, Iraq and his khabar is situated at Kothamangalam, Ernakulam district, Kerala.
Eldho Mor Baselios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You have some nerve!

As a pali you need to bow your head when you talk to an Iranian. How much money have you leaches stole from Iranians? Now you have the audacity to open your mouth?

What do you know about Iran anyway? The only reason you give a shit is b/c the arab mullahs who rule Iran give you guys OUR oil money so you can send suicide bombers to Tel Aviv. You don't know jack shit about Iran, our society and what Iranians go through. So zip it p.

God is greater than you and Iran, you really have no character to yourself besides whining like a little baby and being negative. And I cared...LOL.
 
our(Syriac Christians, Kerala) bishops were from Persia during 9th century and before.so, Persia was the centre of Christianity long before Arabs spread Islam in Persia.
Mar Sabor and Mar Proth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yes, Eastern Christianity is WAY different than the Western Christianity which is familiar for Muslims and Hindus. Eastern Christians are more orthodox, integrated to own country's culture be it Arab or Hindu and does not really identify with Protestants and other farangi sects and Latin Catholic church .
Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eldho Mar Baselious is a saint for Jacobite/Orthodox Christians of Kerala who came from Mosul, Iraq and his khabar is situated at Kothamangalam, Ernakulam district, Kerala.
Eldho Mor Baselios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
u play holi my christian brother?
holi ki badhai ho.:-)
 
This part is interesting coming from you, could you expand on that more? It's rare to see a Christian state that westerns aren't true Christians, I know that has to do with you being Arab since Arab Christians are drastically different.
They claim they are "Christian" while in reality they do not follow teaching of Christ and Christianity values.. you live among them, and you probably know how they act.. the society it self is far away from Christian values... Zionist banned public places from expression Christian values thus the society is drifting away, for example in some public places such as school you can't say Merry Christmas... to make this short, do you know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah... basically that is the western society... and when it comes to politics, those who claim to be "Christians" they are nothing but Zionists, using Christianity as a tool...
 

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