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Iron Dome proved to be very effective actually

Not really ... Also it's completely useless in case of a war .. Against a worthy/modern army..



A leading US expert on missile defence has raised doubts about the efficacy of Israel's Iron Dome defence system.

Israeli officials say it hit some 84% of the targets engaged in last year's conflict with Hamas in Gaza.

But Professor Theodore Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology suggests the defence system's success rate may have been "drastically lower".

The success of the Iron Dome was one of the most significant military aspects of Israel's brief campaign.

During this upsurge in fighting - dubbed Operation Pillar of Defence by the Israeli military - Israeli aircraft, drones and artillery bombarded Palestinian targets, while Palestinian groups fired over 1,400 rockets into Israel.

The Iron Dome missile defence system - built by the Israeli company, Rafael, but largely funded by the US - was rushed into service to defend against the Palestinian missile threat.

Track-record

Mr Postol has a track-record in debunking claims made for state-of-the-art missile defence systems.

In the wake of the 1991 Gulf War after which lavish praise was directed at the Patriot defensive system used by the Americans to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds - Mr Postol showed that the Patriot's defenders - like the Patriot itself - were wide of the mark.

Patriot's success rate, he argued, could have been less than 10%, perhaps even zero. It may actually have hit nothing.

Mr Postol's criticism of the Iron Dome rests upon the nature of the warhead carried by the interceptor missile and the observed trajectories - or flight paths - of the launches he has studied from the November 2012 conflict.

In essence he believes that the only way Iron Dome can be sure of destroying the warhead of an incoming rocket is to hit it head on.

"If the interceptor is flying a crossing or diving trajectory compared to that of the incoming rocket," he told me, "then you are not going to destroy the warhead. Even hitting the incoming warhead side-on will probably not have sufficient energy to detonate it, he argues.

'Deception'

Mr Postol says that while he cannot say what the performance of Iron Dome was in Operation Pillar of Defence, "all the available evidence unambiguously indicates a drastically lower level of performance than the 84% claimed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)."

His view is that the successful hit rate on incoming warheads could be as low as 5-10%.

Mr Postol says that if the IDF wants to make such claims, then it should provide the data to back them up.

He acknowledges that it might have been "a reasonable strategy for Israel to claim that Iron Dome was working, as an excuse not to invade Gaza at an enormous cost to both sides. "

But he argues that "continuing such a deception can only result in the misappropriation of limited defence assets".

Mr Postol says that "as an American supporter of Israel's right to self-defence", he does not feel comfortable seeing the US spend money on a weapon system "that hardly works".

A spokesman for Israel's ministry of defence responded to Mr Postol's critique by saying that it strongly rejected the "unsubstantiated study published recently regarding the performance of Israel's 'Iron Dome' system".

"The baseless claims do not in any way reflect the performance of 'Iron Dome' in the last year and a half, since it has been put into operational service."

"The population of the centre and south of Israel," the spokesman added, "experienced - first hand - the system's achievements during Operation 'Pillar of Defence', which proved itself with an interception rate of over 80%."

"The security establishment is more than content with the system's impressive results and will continue to acquire more 'Iron Dome' batteries," he added, concluding that, in short, "the system saves lives".
 
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obviously its useless against a modern army

the guy doesn't even present any clear evidence on his estimate
as low as 5-10% are you serious? :omghaha:

the guy doesn't even have any clear knowledge on the performance of Patriots in 90s

anyway Rafael is developing new version of Iron Dome already
 
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obviously its useless against a modern army

the guy doesn't even present any clear evidence on his estimate
as low as 5-10% are you serious? :omghaha:

the guy doesn't even have any clear knowledge on the performance of Patriots in 90s

anyway Rafael is developing new version of Iron Dome already
in 90 patriot was really of the mark , it was Saddam missile which tended to disintegrate in middle of flight
 
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in 90 patriot was really of the mark , it was Saddam missile which tended to disintegrate in middle of flight


few Patriot missile failed so bad that they actually fell on the civilian population injuring few
 
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It does work in some cases and I can provide visual evidence where it doesn't always intercept rockets.

It only chooses and calculates which ones to target though and ones landing in open fields it doesn't.
 
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Not really ... Also it's completely useless in case of a war .. Against a worthy/modern army..



A leading US expert on missile defence has raised doubts about the efficacy of Israel's Iron Dome defence system.

Israeli officials say it hit some 84% of the targets engaged in last year's conflict with Hamas in Gaza.

But Professor Theodore Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology suggests the defence system's success rate may have been "drastically lower".

The success of the Iron Dome was one of the most significant military aspects of Israel's brief campaign.

During this upsurge in fighting - dubbed Operation Pillar of Defence by the Israeli military - Israeli aircraft, drones and artillery bombarded Palestinian targets, while Palestinian groups fired over 1,400 rockets into Israel.

The Iron Dome missile defence system - built by the Israeli company, Rafael, but largely funded by the US - was rushed into service to defend against the Palestinian missile threat.

Track-record

Mr Postol has a track-record in debunking claims made for state-of-the-art missile defence systems.

In the wake of the 1991 Gulf War after which lavish praise was directed at the Patriot defensive system used by the Americans to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds - Mr Postol showed that the Patriot's defenders - like the Patriot itself - were wide of the mark.

Patriot's success rate, he argued, could have been less than 10%, perhaps even zero. It may actually have hit nothing.

Mr Postol's criticism of the Iron Dome rests upon the nature of the warhead carried by the interceptor missile and the observed trajectories - or flight paths - of the launches he has studied from the November 2012 conflict.

In essence he believes that the only way Iron Dome can be sure of destroying the warhead of an incoming rocket is to hit it head on.

"If the interceptor is flying a crossing or diving trajectory compared to that of the incoming rocket," he told me, "then you are not going to destroy the warhead. Even hitting the incoming warhead side-on will probably not have sufficient energy to detonate it, he argues.

'Deception'

Mr Postol says that while he cannot say what the performance of Iron Dome was in Operation Pillar of Defence, "all the available evidence unambiguously indicates a drastically lower level of performance than the 84% claimed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)."

His view is that the successful hit rate on incoming warheads could be as low as 5-10%.

Mr Postol says that if the IDF wants to make such claims, then it should provide the data to back them up.

He acknowledges that it might have been "a reasonable strategy for Israel to claim that Iron Dome was working, as an excuse not to invade Gaza at an enormous cost to both sides. "

But he argues that "continuing such a deception can only result in the misappropriation of limited defence assets".

Mr Postol says that "as an American supporter of Israel's right to self-defence", he does not feel comfortable seeing the US spend money on a weapon system "that hardly works".

A spokesman for Israel's ministry of defence responded to Mr Postol's critique by saying that it strongly rejected the "unsubstantiated study published recently regarding the performance of Israel's 'Iron Dome' system".

"The baseless claims do not in any way reflect the performance of 'Iron Dome' in the last year and a half, since it has been put into operational service."

"The population of the centre and south of Israel," the spokesman added, "experienced - first hand - the system's achievements during Operation 'Pillar of Defence', which proved itself with an interception rate of over 80%."

"The security establishment is more than content with the system's impressive results and will continue to acquire more 'Iron Dome' batteries," he added, concluding that, in short, "the system saves lives".[/quote]
This is not a resume of a leading missile expert MIT STS: Theodore Postol
LOL
 
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Trajectory and Targeting of Ballistic Missiles with MRV Payloads

A Multiple Reentry vehicle payload for a ballistic missile deploys multiple warheads in a pattern against a single target. (As opposed to Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle, which deploys multiple warheads against multiple targets.) The advantage of an MRV over a single warhead is that the damage produced in the center of the pattern is far greater than the damage possible from any single warhead in the MRV cluster, this makes for an efficient area attack weapon. Also, the sheer number of Warheads make interception by Anti-ballistic missiles unlikely.

Improved warhead designs allow smaller warheads for a given yield, while better electronics and guidance systems allowed greater accuracy. As a result MIRV technology has proven more attractive than MRV for advanced nations. Because of the larger amount of nuclear material consumed by MRVs and MIRVs, single warhead missiles are more attractive for nations with less advanced technology. The United States deployed an MRV payload on the Polaris A-3. The Soviet Union deployed MRVs on the SS-9 Mod 4 ICBM. Refer to atmospheric reentry for more details.
Iran has successfully tested Bina new local-made surface-to-surface laser guided missile 1002147 - Army Recognition
 
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Lol.. Even US doubts .. Even though they paid for it.. Also it's ineffective in case of a real war.. Forget the crude qassam rockets tht aren't much more than glorified fireworks ..

USA did not fund the development of Iron Dome, after they(USA) were exposed to the data of successful operational records of the system they have agreed to fund the procurement of Iron Dome by the IDF and to team up in further development of the system. Current Iron Dome block designated to intercept targets within 6-70km radius range with future development to extend the envelope up to 250km. Qasam maximum recorded range is ~10km so as you can see Qassam is not the prime target for Iron Dome. BTW, to detect, track, calculate the trajectory and to intercept crude small flying object traveling at transonic speed and all this within ~8 seconds is not an easy task to say the least.
 
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USA did not fund the development of Iron Dome, after they(USA) were exposed to the data of successful operational records of the system they have agreed to fund the procurement of Iron Dome by the IDF and to team up in further development of the system. Current Iron Dome block designated to intercept targets within 6-70km radius range with future development to extend the envelope up to 250km. Qasam maximum recorded range is ~10km so as you can see Qassam is not the prime target for Iron Dome. BTW, to detect, track, calculate the trajectory and to intercept crude small flying object traveling at transonic speed and all this within ~8 seconds is not an easy task to say the least.

Okay can you prove your claim with reliable data?
 
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