Iran Proposes Defense Cooperation With Indonesia

[Indos]

Iranian Ambassador to Indonesia Mohammad Azad at his embassy in Menteng, Central Jakarta, on Jan. 7. (JG Photo/Yudha Baskoro)

BY DIANA MARISKA

JANUARY 22, 2020

Jakarta. The Iranian Ambassador to Indonesia has said that Iran would gladly work with Indonesia in a defense partnership if the government is interested in the plan.

Ambassador Mohammad Azad paid a visit to the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs Mahfud M.D. at his office in Jakarta on Tuesday to discuss bilateral relations between Indonesia and Iran, which began 70 years ago.

"We discussed many things," Azad said at Mahfud's office in Central Jakarta. "Iran and Indonesia started diplomatic relations in 1950. In 2020 we will celebrate the 70th anniversary of this relationship," he said.

Azad said Iran wants to form a defense cooperation with Indonesia but would wait until he could meet with Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto to discuss the possibility.

"Iran has extensive experience in defense. If Indonesia is interested, we would love to be able to cooperate in the sector," Azad said, adding that Indonesia would benefit from Iran's experience.

According to the annual Military Strength Ranking from Global Firepower, the Iranian military was ranked 14th out of 137 countries in 2019. Indonesia was in 16th place.

'Economic Terrorism' Causes Tension With US

The standoff between Iran and the United States reached a fever pitch when Donald Trump ordered a drone strike that killed Iran's most powerful general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad on Jan. 3. Iran retaliated by firing missiles at several US facilities in Iraq.

The Iran-US standoff had affected Indonesia in recent years. State energy company Pertamina was forced in 2018 to shelf a deal to operate an Iranian oil field to avoid US economic sanctions.

Azad ensured Mahfud that war is the last option for Iran and that the country would rather take a more measured approach.

"Of course, Iran doesn't desire war and won't start one," Azad said.

"Instead, we have started the Tehran Dialogue Forum to encourage countries in our region to work together to maintain security and peace," he said.

The Tehran Dialogue Forum 2020 was held on Jan. 7, attended by high-profile figures in the region including Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi and former Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai.

The forum focused on discussions on territorial security and political affairs.

Although dismissing the idea of starting an open war, Iran has retaliated for Suleimani's killing by launching more than a dozen missiles to US military bases in Iraq and three rockets that fell close to the US Embassy in Baghdad.

"Iran has been suppressed economically by what we call 'economic terrorism' [by the US]. Iran has also been attacked with the killing of General [Qassem] Suleimani, but we shall prevail. Iran has sent a firm response to them [the US], and they seem to have got the message," Azad said.

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[denel]

BY IANA MARISKA

JANUARY 22, 2020

Jakarta. The Iranian Ambassador to Indonesia has said that Iran would gladly work with Indonesia in a defense partnership if the government is interested in the plan.

Ambassador Mohammad Azad paid a visit to the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal and Security Affairs Mahfud M.D. at his office in Jakarta on Tuesday to discuss bilateral relations between Indonesia and Iran, which began 70 years ago.

"We discussed many things," Azad said at Mahfud's office in Central Jakarta. "Iran and Indonesia started diplomatic relations in 1950. In 2020 we will celebrate the 70th anniversary of this relationship," he said.

Azad said Iran wants to form a defense cooperation with Indonesia but would wait until he could meet with Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto to discuss the possibility.

"Iran has extensive experience in defense. If Indonesia is interested, we would love to be able to cooperate in the sector," Azad said, adding that Indonesia would benefit from Iran's experience.

According to the annual Military Strength Ranking from Global Firepower, the Iranian military was ranked 14th out of 137 countries in 2019. Indonesia was in 16th place.

'Economic Terrorism' Causes Tension With US

The standoff between Iran and the United States reached a fever pitch when Donald Trump ordered a drone strike that killed Iran's most powerful general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad on Jan. 3. Iran retaliated by firing missiles at several US facilities in Iraq.

The Iran-US standoff had affected Indonesia in recent years. State energy company Pertamina was forced in 2018 to shelf a deal to operate an Iranian oil field to avoid US economic sanctions.

Azad ensured Mahfud that war is the last option for Iran and that the country would rather take a more measured approach.

"Of course, Iran doesn't desire war and won't start one," Azad said.

"Instead, we have started the Tehran Dialogue Forum to encourage countries in our region to work together to maintain security and peace," he said.

The Tehran Dialogue Forum 2020 was held on Jan. 7, attended by high-profile figures in the region including Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi and former Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai.

The forum focused on discussions on territorial security and political affairs.

Although dismissing the idea of starting an open war, Iran has retaliated for Suleimani's killing by launching more than a dozen missiles to US military bases in Iraq and three rockets that fell close to the US Embassy in Baghdad.

"Iran has been suppressed economically by what we call 'economic terrorism' [by the US]. Iran has also been attacked with the killing of General [Qassem] Suleimani, but we shall prevail. Iran has sent a firm response to them [the US], and they seem to have got the message," Azad said.

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Give me one area of excellence they have in defence area?
Indonesia needs to be firm on their non-aligned policy and not take any sides; this includes Iranians as well.
Indonesia is a good country and dont need Iran to start causing trouble internally.

 

[Nike]

Norks is actually better choice if you want to learn ballistic missile technology compared to Iran

 

[Philosopher]

Norks is actually better choice if you want to learn ballistic missile technology compared to Iran

In liquid fuelled ballistic missiles yes, but Iran has much more experience with solid fuelled systems, especially pint-point accurate systems.

Give me one area of excellence they have in defence area?

1- ballistic missiles
2- UAVs
3- Long range air defence

You want more?

 

[TNT]

Indonesia is much closer to saudi arabia and frankly what defense expertise iran have? After all their propaganda, they use russian systems, even the one to shoot doen passenger plane was russian Tor. Where was the iranian systems? What iran shows on media is just painted stuff for propaganda.

 

[denel]

In liquid fuelled ballistic missiles yes, but Iran has much more experience with solid fuelled systems, especially pint-point accurate systems.



1- ballistic missiles
2- UAVs
3- Long range air defence

You want more?

except for missiles which we already know, the rest is all backwards. Indonesia via Nuritano has far more experience.

 

[skyshadow]

Give me one area of excellence they have in defence area?
Indonesia needs to be firm on their non-aligned policy and not take any sides; this includes Iranians as well.
Indonesia is a good country and dont need Iran to start causing trouble internally.

Iran will only cause trouble internally when it feels threatened which every person in there right mind will do.


Give me one area of excellence they have in defence area? ballistic and cruise missiles and drones and building aircrafts and their spare parts and Air defense system and cyber technology building advance submarines with capability of launching cruise missiles and soon submarines with capability of launching ballistic and cruise missiles and advance frigates and soon advance destroyers and building advance tanks and attack helicopters and other things that they can use in their benefit.

 

[denel]

Iran will only cause trouble internally when it feels threatened which every person in there right mind will do.


Give me one area of excellence they have in defence area? ballistic and cruise missiles and drones and building aircrafts and their spare parts and Air defense system and cyber technology building advance submarines with capability of launching cruise missiles and soon submarines with capability of launching ballistic and cruise missiles and advance frigates and soon advance destroyers and building advance tanks and attack helicopters and other things that they can use in their benefit.

all hot air... sorry, it is a paper tiger at the end.

 

[BATMAN]

Indonesia is not stupid like Pakistan, who would risk $billions of forex flowing from middle-east and even earn sin as well by joining hands with axis of evil.

 

[Philosopher]

except for missiles which we already know, the rest is all backwards. Indonesia via Nuritano has far more experience.

Sure, so explain to me the "backward" nature of the following and also, post Indonesia's superior versions.
I'll start off simple for you by posting only two products.

Let's start with the shahed-129 MALE uav (made almost a decade ago)

Performance

• Cruise speed: 150 km/h (93 mph, 81 kn)
• Combat range: 1,700 km (1,100 mi, 920 nmi)
• Ferry range: 3,400 km (2,100 mi, 1,800 nmi)
• Endurance: 24h
• Service ceiling: 7,300 m (24,000 ft)

Armament

• Bombs: 4 × Sadid-345 PGM

And the famous Bavar-373 long range air defence:

Bavar 373 Performance and Specifications:

• 
  
  
  • Maximum search range: 320km
  • Maximum tracking range: 260km
  • Maximum Interception range: +200km
  • Maximum Interception altitude: 27km
  • Number of tracking and engagement targets: 300 and 6 targets

Indonesia is much closer to saudi arabia

Right, because Saudi Arabia is a creator and exporter of military systems?

and frankly what defense expertise iran have?

See list above.

After all their propaganda,

What propaganda?

they use russian systems, even the one to shoot doen passenger plane was russian Tor.

You mean the system that was purchased decades ago?

What iran shows on media is just painted stuff for propaganda.

Show me these 'painted stuff" please. Show me a list.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why not? Both are Muslim countries and both attended KL summit together.

 

[Philosopher]

all hot air... sorry, it is a paper tiger at the end.

How about you try to substitute your claims instead of just dismissing his?

From his list, lets take a submarine, i.e Fateh.
A submarine even reported by the likes of Janes International:

https://www.janes.com/article/86533/iran-commissions-fateh-submarine

The submarine has a displacement of 600 tons, designed for the Persian Gulf and sea of Oman.

Now explain, how is that "all hot air". This is how a proper discussion is done. You reject claims using substance not just by making statement itself.

 

[denel]

How about you try to substitute your claims instead of just dismissing his?

From his list, lets take a submarine, i.e Fateh.
A submarine even reported by the likes of Janes International:

https://www.janes.com/article/86533/iran-commissions-fateh-submarine

The submarine has a displacement of 600 tons, designed for the Persian Gulf and sea of Oman.

Now explain, how is that "all hot air". This is how a proper discussion is done. You reject claims using substance not just by making statement itself.

Have you been to Iran? I have - a lot of it is just rebadged Russian equipment; they are masters of illusions.

 

[Philosopher]

Have you been to Iran? I have - a lot of it is just rebadged Russian equipment; they are masters of illusions.

I guess you're not interested in anything other than trolling. Now if you have nothing constructive to add, my advise is let the thread be for those are actually willing to discuss things in a proper manner.

 

[denel]

I guess you're not interested in anything other than trolling. Now if you have nothing constructive to add, my advise is let the thread be for those are actually willing to discuss things in a proper manner.

I dont troll; i dont want have people run on high emotions when the truth is just hollow; I know Iran very well. They are masters of illusions; reality is just knee deep. Just two weeks back showed how incapable they were.