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Tehran has given up on Indian participation in the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project, which it is now pursuing bilaterally with Islamabad. India can join the project if it wants but Tehran’s engagement with Islamabad wouldn’t stop because India isn’t there. This was disclosed by sources following talks Dr Ali Bagheri, deputy secretary of Iran’s National Security Council, had here with Indian officials.

They said Tehran was willing to give guarantees to New Delhi for the supply of gas through the proposed pipeline, “but India had its issues. The IPI is not on the agenda (with India) anymore because it has gone on bilaterally with Pakistan”.

For his part, Bagheri praised India’s “wiseness” (sic) in dealing with pressure from the US and the West to toe their line rather than having an independent policy on Iran. “But we cannot say whether Iran-India ties are covering the whole potentiality that exists between our two countries,” he told a select group of journalists.

The Iranian diplomat met, among others, national security advisor Shivshankar Menon and deputy NSA Latta Reddy.

“We said in the talks that both countries should explore possibilities for regional and international cooperation. Otherwise the vacuum will be filled by countries outside the region and that’ll not be good for the people of the region.”

The Iranian diplomat reposed faith in the “rationality” of the Indian leadership that he thought would take the “best decision” to meet the energy needs of its economy aspiring to be the world’s second largest. He meaningfully drew attention in the same go to the Iranian export options of China and Europe other than India.

“India has to decide how to meet its energy needs. Use of nuclear energy has become questionable after the earthquake in Japan. The demand for fossil energy is bound to increase with long term nuclear power projects on hold in Europe,” sources explained.

Security was a major Indian concern — besides pricing — in the talks on the pipeline that would have been laid across the lawless Balochistan where Islamabad’s writ is non-existent in vast stretches controlled by local tribes. But sources advised caution while considering that IPI wasn’t happening because of security reasons.

If that were so, then how was New Delhi in talks on the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline, they asked. “The (security) concerns that exist about IPI exist with TAPI in which case the source of (gas) supply is also dubious,” they averred.

Bagheri attributed the spread of terrorism in the region to the presence of Nato and US troops. “Countries like US are at the root of terrorism in the region. They first created the terrorist groups and have come to the region now on the pretext of fighting them,” he said. “Terrorism has increased since their arrival.”

He cited UN figures to claim that narcotics production went up four times and was the maximum in areas under the control of British troops in Afghanistan.

Iran gives up on India, pursues gas pipeline with Pak - Hindustan Times
 
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the underlining concern is that Iran will have their version of the Islamic bomb as they call it and that the mullah's are too beholden to their radical version of religious extremism, whereupon, no sane person can discount that they will use a nuclear bomb just because ... this is the 800 Pound gorilla in the room that just can't be ignored.
 
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It is the other way around.

The whole f ing world has given up on Iranian leadership. The exceptions are some crazy regimes like Chavez, and few terror organizations like Hizbis.

Iran is under HEAVY economic sanctions.

Their currency has tanked so low that even paper is more expensive than the denominaitons printed on it.

Irani Riyal has become a joke. It varies from 1,000 to 10,000 for a dollar.

Us Paks cry when our rupee trades for 80+ to a dollar.

If we keep shoving ourselves in Iranian behind, our rupee will follow Riyals too.

Then we'll realize that it is not good to be in the company of lunatics.

Had any leader in Pak brought this type of economic calamity to Pak, we would have kicked that guy's behind out of PM house.

But no. Not in Iran. They have dictatorship and thus stuck with bad to worst leadership for some times to come.

In this situation, any pap-line from Iran is impossible. Who is going to grantee this billions of dollars worth of project?

No international bank with touch this scheme even with a 100 foot long pole.

So we the Paks must be realistic and quit following Mullahs be they Irani or Saudi. They will surely lead us to our graves like taliboobis are doing already.

Peace.

p.s. No disrespect meant for holy figures of Iran. This is a commentary on the governmental politics and policies of iranian leadership.
 
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the underlining concern is that Iran will have their version of the Islamic bomb as they call it and that the mullah's are too beholden to their radical version of religious extremism, whereupon, no sane person can discount that they will use a nuclear bomb just because ... this is the 800 Pound gorilla in the room that just can't be ignored.

So why India is onboard with Iran in other projects? why dont you end all kinds of links with iran on same pretext which you have claimed in your post?
 
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So why India is onboard with Iran in other projects? why dont you end all kinds of links with iran on same pretext which you have claimed in your post?

What other projects is India on board with. You have to state those projects before painting everything with a broad brush. US has similar concerns with N Korea but still has humanitarian projects in North Korea. The goal here is not to completely isolate Iran( that's the P5 's and UN's doing, if need be), rather to balance the risks for India. What use is the pipeline when the security concerns overwhelm the positives? What if they do go use a nuclear bomb or proliferate a dirty bomb to one of its favorite terror groups and then the US or another country attacks Iran in retaliation? that pipeline will be blown up as one of the strategic assets of Iran. While TAPI has no such issue or one that comes with such high risks. and don't tell me buying OIL from them is strategic risk similar to a pipeline...because it's not.
 
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It is the other way around.

The whole f ing world has given up on Iranian leadership. The exceptions are some crazy regimes like Chavez, and few terror organizations like Hizbis.

Iran is under HEAVY economic sanctions.

Their currency has tanked so low that even paper is more expensive than the denominaitons printed on it.

Irani Riyal has become a joke. It varies from 1,000 to 10,000 for a dollar.

Us Paks cry when our rupee trades for 80+ to a dollar.

If we keep shoving ourselves in Iranian behind, our rupee will follow Riyals too.

Then we'll realize that it is not good to be in the company of lunatics.

Had any leader in Pak brought this type of economic calamity to Pak, we would have kicked that guy's behind out of PM house.

But no. Not in Iran. They have dictatorship and thus stuck with bad to worst leadership for some times to come.

In this situation, any pap-line from Iran is impossible. Who is going to grantee this billions of dollars worth of project?

No international bank with touch this scheme even with a 100 foot long pole.

So we the Paks must be realistic and quit following Mullahs be they Irani or Saudi. They will surely lead us to our graves like taliboobis are doing already.

Peace.

p.s. No disrespect meant for holy figures of Iran. This is a commentary on the governmental politics and policies of iranian leadership.

Finally a Pakistani who put reason over emotion on the subject of Iran.

Also lets face it, Pakistan cannot replace India in terms of fuel consumption and market size to make this pipeline profitable.
 
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Finally a Pakistani who put reason over emotion on the subject of Iran.

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Well thank you.



.... Pakistan cannot replace India in terms of fuel consumption and market size to make this pipeline profitable.

Duh! that means nothing. Pakistan is a market of 200 million. Compared with billion+Indis it may be small. But do not think as if Pakistan is some little teeny meeny gulf state with one lakh population.

If our heads are controlling us (instead of testis) we could become one of the top markets in the world in a relatively short time (again no $tupid comparison with Indis, just a view form global perspective).

If Iran is not under sanctions and under an uncouth regime, Pakistan can serve as a very good energy market.


peace.
 
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Italian Lira to Dollar exchange rate was around $1=3000 lira.... $1 = 10000 Indonesian Rupiah. I've myself used 100000 rupiah notes in Indonesia. And 500000 lira notes were printed too. So, Pakistan and India is a stronger economy than Italy and Indonesia ....? LIra is not used, but just asking?

Know basic economics, FaujHistorian. Iranian economy (and every other field) is at least 10 folds more advanced than Pakistan. Maybe Pakistan is somewhat more advanced in the conventional military field though. But that is disputed as well. For some of their achievements, view this thread (economic achievements are under one post too): Iran: Did you know...? - Iran Defense Forum

That said, what we need is cooperation between Pakistan and Iran. Both sides have something to share with the other. Obviously Indians and United states of Zionism is pissed off with the relationship. ;)
 
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Duh! that means nothing. Pakistan is a market of 200 million. Compared with billion+Indis it may be small. But do not think as if Pakistan is some little teeny meeny gulf state with one lakh population.

If our heads are controlling us (instead of testis) we could become one of the top markets in the world in a relatively short time (again no $tupid comparison with Indis, just a view form global perspective).

If Iran is not under sanctions and under an uncouth regime, Pakistan can serve as a very good energy market.


peace.

Sir, according to wikipedia IPI gas pipeline costs 7.5 billion dollars. If we cut India from the equation, the cost may come down by about a billion dollars. Even then do you believe that Pakistan can justify the building of 6 billion dollar pipeline, considering the fact that Pakistan has its own gas reserves. Also there is the cost of protecting the pipeline, which has to be fully shouldered by Pakistan itself.
 
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Italian Lira to Dollar exchange rate was around $1=3000 lira.... $1 = 10000 Indonesian Rupiah. So, Pakistan and India is a stronger economy than Italy and Indonesia ....? LIra is not used, but just asking?

Know basic economics, FaujHistorian. Iranian economy (and every other field) is 10 folds more advanced than Pakistan. Maybe Pakistan is somewhat more advanced in the conventional military field though. But that is disputed as well. For some of their achievements, view this thread (economic achievements are under one post too): Iran: Did you know...? - Iran Defense Forum


hhhahahah Sir. You are funny at best.

Perhaps you should say that Iran is better than Japan because Yen gets traded so low compared to dollar.

Yes Sir. Propaganda is the best tool in the hand of despots and their supporters.

Do you even know that Iran "IMPORTS" fing petrol even though bud-nejat's hynee is sitting on top of HUGE petroleum reserves? Do you know why?

Bud nejat is no better than petty despots like Gadha-fi, or H-Asad, or na-Mubarak when it comes to having anti-national policies.


peace.
 
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hhhahahah Sir. You are funny at best.

Perhaps you should say that Iran is better than Japan because Yen gets traded so low compared to dollar.

Yes Sir. Propaganda is the best tool in the hand of despots and their supporters.

Do you even know that Iran "IMPORTS" fing petrol even though bud-nejat's hynee is sitting on top of HUGE petroleum reserves? Do you know why?

Bud nejat is no better than petty despots like Gadha-fi, or H-Asad, or na-Mubarak when it comes to having anti-national policies.


peace.

Mr. Iran hater, whatever pleases you. :)

I personally encourage closer cooperation between Pakistan and Iran, two brotherly Muslim nations.
 
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Sir, according to wikipedia IPI gas pipeline costs 7.5 billion dollars. If we cut India from the equation, the cost may come down by about a billion dollars. Even then do you believe that Pakistan can justify the building of 6 billion dollar pipeline, considering the fact that Pakistan has its own gas reserves. Also there is the cost of protecting the pipeline, which has to be fully shouldered by Pakistan itself.

I think both of us understand the issue very well. My response was based on your post #7 that focused on market size of Pak.

Had you stated the cost of the project, there would have been additional discussion.

Bottom line!

Do frame your posts in the context. Otherwise our discussion won't be too different from the poor village maees pulling each other's hair. That's all.

peace.
 
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No sane state would invest billions of dollars in a state like Pakistan for their energy security esp. India. Pakistan want to make money hand over fist by just giving access to pipeline, and for every tense relationship moment will black-mail India how they can turn off the pipe.

Let things in Afghanistan and Pakistan get sorted out and revisit it when things are more stable.
 
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