Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[Indus Pakistan]

Great news. I know exactly what most Iranian's with their siege mentality are thinking. When will China dump us? Be that as it may but before you thrash Beijing ask yourself how did the deal with USA go? Where are the Euros? Best of all how did that billion plus superpower called India go? Is it still buying oil from you? Is India built Chah Bahar port?

I think I know the answer to that. The fact is nothing surprises me. USA has immense global power and not many countries can stand or more importantly will not sacrifice themselves for Iran.

But and this is crucial. Of every country on earth the least pliable [caveat: it is still open to US pressure], yes the LEAST pliable is China. Thus it would make sense for Iran to build up strategic concord with a country that is at least USA-proof to a degree. And with every year it is becoming even less pliable to US power.

 

[Blue In Green]

Iran and China sign another road-map understanding in order to further map out other maps (about roads) which will eventually lead to the final main road (also named map) that'll take them both to their end destination, that being a comprehensive deal.

Said comprehensive deal will be the ultimate mutual understanding about what road to take (possibly).

Kinda which they would just use Google Maps already you know?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Iran and China sign another

I guess they can always sign on piece of paper called a "deal" with USA and then waych it being torn. Deal or no deal?

 

[Arian]

worse then the 80s?

IRan was a defenseless country exausted from war and weak. The USSR was collapsing and a dominant hegemon US had the world at its fingertips and had a HUGE target on Irans head. during the cowboy reagan era.

if Iran can survive that, it can survive anything,

Believe it or not, our situation is not much better than the 80s. ;-)

And that is kind of irrelevant. Isn't it? Even if we assume that our situation is better than the 80s (which is really not the case), how does that justify signing a deal that could be potentially very bad?

 

[Blue In Green]

I guess they can always sign on piece of paper called a "deal" with USA and then waych it being torn. Deal or no deal?

No more deals with the United States lol, we've seen enough of how Americans "haggle" with other countries. And by haggle I mean bully.

 

[OldTwilight]

How you support a deal when there is no public document about it ....

How you support a deal when there is no public document about it ....

If it was good deal , then they would publicly publish it ...

 

[zartosht]

Believe it or not, our situation is not much better than the 80s. ;-)

And that is kind of irrelevant. Isn't it? Even if we assume that our situation is better than the 80s (which is really not the case), how does that justify signing a deal that could be potentially very bad?

how is it a bad deal? please explain.

yes Iran has to give a discount to China. But if it gets Chinese guarantees of buying at least 1m of oil/day regardless of any american sanctions. that will guarantee the financial security of Iran against any sort of sanction the US can throw at it. for any length of time.

neither me or you are aware of details such as government balance sheets, and secret clauses in the deal. If its one thing Iran is good at is negotiations. so dont just blindly dismiss zariff as some idiot who went to the bazaar and got ripped off by some chinese conman.

this deal is almost certainly mutually benefitial for both countries (given the current geopolitical balance) and a loss for the US/west camp

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Chinese warship will use Chabahar port

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

China is “stealing” away all the major Muslim countries one after another.....

Cry the West cry.....

 

[Arian]

how is it a bad deal? please explain.

yes Iran has to give a discount to China. But if it gets Chinese guarantees of buying at least 1m of oil/day regardless of any american sanctions. that will guarantee the financial security of Iran against any sort of sanction the US can throw at it. for any length of time.

neither me or you are aware of details such as government balance sheets, and secret clauses in the deal. If its one thing Iran is good at is negotiations. so dont just blindly dismiss zariff as some idiot who went to the bazaar and got ripped off by some chinese conman.

this deal is almost certainly mutually benefitial for both countries (given the current geopolitical balance) and a loss for the US/west camp

I will mention you in the Iranian Chill Thread to answer how it could be a bad deal in Persian.

But I have a healthy dose of suspicion regarding the deal. If the JCPOA that was publicized by the signatory parties turned out to be that one-sided and bad, then who knows what they have signed this time? The very fact that the text of the agreement has not been publicized is not a good sign at all.

Anyway, see you there.

 

[khansaheeb]

Middle finger from Iran to India:-

 

[Sineva]

Let’s see if China lives up to their commitments...I won’t hold my breath

In that case then iran will certainly be no worse off than it is now.
By comparison the jcpoa required that iran first had to dismantle major parts of its nuclear program,and only then would the americans [perhaps] reciprocate by carrying out their obligations under the terms of the agreement [tho` they never did].

 

[mohsen]

Iranian leader is behind this move, so I'm positive .

 

[Iñigo]

此框架下，考虑投资和融资、国际政治层面中相互支持，联合反恐斗争和举行联合演习以及国防技术的转让。该文件另一非常重要信息是德黑兰与北京之间交易中使用本国货币。加强投伊朗过境战略走廊、投资石化能源基础设施、参与伊朗东部莫克兰海岸的全面开发、帮助在伊朗建立和发展第五代互联网，并加强国家信息网络和援助伊朗和平核工业的发展是《中伊全面合作文件》中涉及到的其他问题。
提高金融和保险合作以及开设伊朗分行并建立伊中联合银行，尤其是在两国之间建立金融渠道替代环球银行金融电信协会，是伊中25年全面合作文件中最重要的问题之一

Translation: italic texts are comments

1. Trade between Tehran and Beijing will use national currencies. (dedollarization).
2. China will help Iran to build 5th generation internet. (to safeguard Iran's information security including financial activity)
3. Improves financial and insurance cooperation. (for example, Iranian oil tankers can be insured by Iranian/Chinese institutions than western institutions).
4. Establish Iranian Chinese joint bank and a Iranian branch (of Chinese bank?)
5. Establish financial transaction channel to replace SWIFT. (This is already done in the form of CIPS). This is the most important point in the agreement.

Miscellaneous News

http://www.smetimes.in/smetimes/news/global-business/2021/Mar/27/china-australia-wine62936.html Hahahaha, and what these convicts gonna do about it? Keep bitching? Sell the wine to the Wanwanese, while aussie convicts can buy Wanwanese shiitty pineapples in return...

www.sinodefenceforum.com

 

[yavar]

Middle finger from Iran to India:-

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as usual Pakistani member brought his India-
phobia and none-sense here in Iranian section.

Iran like it did with India has sign deal with China which like all other deals requiers setps to be taken, if Pakistani Turkish Chinese Members should to know it start with China Paying Back its debt payment and Bank to Bank Payment and LC withoutany limits, meaning Iran can transfear money from Chinese Bank to Iran in any currencies it would like ( which most likely would be Euro) .


so there is long way to go and guess what ? Iran has not gave Chabahar to China , and still under business India Afghanistan use
so it is step by step deal and if big if China deliver on it side of deal and take their steps then Iran will

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it says alot when China President and now Foreign Minister came to Iran ask for deal and it is been sign in Iran not in China