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Commendably, Iran has apologized for shooting down the passenger jet and killing all 176 people on board. It shows integrity to take responsibility for the disastrous loss of life at a time of intense adversity.
Now will other parties also show similar humility in admitting their role for creating precarious conditions where death seems an inevitable outcome? Specifically, can US President Donald Trump recognize that his administration’s policy of hellbent hostility towards Iran is driving up conflict and, ultimately, the loss of innocent lives?

The shoot-down of Flight 752 was a heartrending tragedy for countless families of several nationalities. Most of the dead were Iranians, which must add to the pain felt by that nation. But at least by owning up to the truth, the Iranian authorities have spared grieving victims from prolonged anguish of not knowing what happened.

The swift admission by Iran of its terrible error in shooting down the airliner – mistaken for an incoming enemy cruise missile – has taken critics of Iran by surprise. Two days after the plane came down, Western leaders and media were claiming it was an Iranian missile that caused it. Iranian aviation officials at first denied that, saying they believed it was a technical onboard problem, such as engine failure.



Critics of Iran were saying that “the regime” would stonewall the truth and hide behind obfuscation about what happened. Initial Iranian denials weren’t malicious. It was probably more a case of not knowing what happened in a situation of confusion and calamity. When the Iranians put their hand up to acknowledge it was one of their air defense units which had fired the missile, it took integrity and humility to admit fault.

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We should contrast Iran’s mature handling of the disaster with the shoot-down of Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988 by a US warship in the Persian Gulf. All 290 people on board were killed when USS Vincennes, a guided-missile cruiser, fired off a surface-to-air warhead at the aircraft, claiming it had been mistaken for an enemy warplane. However, the Americans never formally apologized for the deaths.

After years of wrangling, the US paid out over $60 million in compensation to Iran under a ruling in 1996 by the International Court of Justice. Even then, Washington did not accept liability. “I will never apologize,” said former President HW Bush.

There is also evidence that in the case of Flight 655, the captain of the USS Vincennes was reckless and aggressive in his behavior; and that the shoot-down was no accident. Captain William C Rogers and his crew were later awarded military medals of honor.



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In the case of Flight 752 this week, the Iranians were on high alert for an expected American offensive following the missile attack only hours earlier by Iran on two US bases in Iraq. That attack was in revenge for the American drone assassination of Iran’s top military commander Major General Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad on January 3. The Iranians claim that following the missile attack on US bases, there were several reports among their air defense units of suspected incoming enemy planes. It was in this supercharged tension of pending war that the Iranians made the fatal error of hitting the airliner.

Admittedly, it seems ludicrous now that Iran did not take the precaution of closing down its airspace during those hours for normal commercial flights. That seems reprehensible negligence on the part of the Iranians, given the onerous circumstances.

Nevertheless, an objective bigger picture is required to fully comprehend the grief. There is an important distinction between fault and blame. The Iranians are at fault for having caused this horrendous tragedy.

They pulled the trigger. But there is little doubt as to who is ultimately to blame.

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President Trump has created a tinderbox situation in the Middle East with his “maximum pressure” campaign of hostility towards Iran. Scrapping the nuclear accord, reimposing crippling economic sanctions and relentless bellicose rhetoric defaming Iran as a “terror state” has pushed the region to the brink of all-out war. Remember, Trump has several times threatened Iran with total destruction, which infers a willingness to use nuclear weapons.

A build-up of American forces, including nuclear-capable B-52 bombers, in the Persian Gulf over the past year has been carried out under the tenuous claims of “defending US interests” from alleged Iranian aggression. The whole manic narrative is turning reality on its head as to who is the real aggressor.

The murder of Qassem Soleimani was the most critical assault yet on Iran’s national security in a mounting campaign of US provocation. There is no evidence to back up Trump’s claims that Soleimani was planning “imminent attacks” on US forces and diplomats in the region. The Americans point to the death of a US contractor last month from an attack on a base in Iraq as the work of Iranian-backed militia. It’s far from clear who carried out that attack. Some reports say it was a jihadist terror group linked to the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL). In any case, the American response was disproportionate and suggests the contractor’s death was used as a pretext for ramping up the offensive on Iran.

On December 27, US warplanes killed at least 25 members of an Iranian-backed militia in Iraq and Syria. That sparked off violent protests at the American embassy in Baghdad on January 1. Trump and his officials were quick to accuse Soleimani for orchestrating the protests. Then two days later, the iconic military leader – seen as Iran’s second most senior figure after Ayatollah Khamenei – was blown to pieces by a US airstrike ordered personally by Trump.

The following slander from the Americans has been repugnant and gratuitous. Trump has called Soleimani “the world’s top terrorist”, and gloated over his death, saying, “we stopped him, cold.” Given that Soleimani was perhaps the most effective military strategist in Iraq and Syria in defeating the IS terror network illustrates the sickening distortion by Trump and his secretary of state Mike Pompeo. Indeed, the death of Soleimani has been a cause for celebration by the remnants of IS.

Iran is severely at fault for the shoot-down of the civilian airliner. The sense of shame and mortification expressed by the Iranian authorities is palpable. There is genuine remorse for the deaths of their own compatriots and several other nationals.

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But the blame for this horrific event lies in Washington and the Trump administration in particular. The relentless demonization and hostility towards Iran, the ongoing illegal aggression in myriad forms from sanctions to blatant military threats, and the cold-blooded murder of a national hero, Soleimani, has created a powder-keg. The downing of Flight 752 is the consequence. Should we be surprised? It is almost inevitable, given the reckless, destructive dynamics unleashed by Washington. Indeed, we may dread more such tragedies and deaths of innocents, even if an all-out war is not triggered.

One thing seems certain. We will not see any apology or conciliation from the US. Humility and responsibility are anathema to Washington’s arrogance.

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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/478038-iran-apologies-plane-shooting-us-blame/
 
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They lied for three days straight until they publicly admitted their lie. What a great and honourable gesture of the Iranian terror regime.

Let me kill a member of your family, deny it for three days and then publicly apologize. Apparently, you'd be fine with this.
 
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They lied for three days until they publicly admitted their lie. What a great and honourable gesture of the Iranian terror regime.

Let me kill a member of your family, deny it for three days and then publicly apologize. Apparently, you'd be fine with this.

It's not like you Turks are any better, in a age of misinfo campaigns and geo political responses they took a risk in to admit the tragic incident again I am not against Turkey but you guys are not squeaky clean as well
 
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They lied for three days straight until they publicly admitted their lie. What a great and honourable gesture of the Iranian terror regime.

Let me kill a member of your family, deny it for three days and then publicly apologize. Apparently, you'd be fine with this.

The Turk is right. Not very “smart” for their military reputation and capabilities. Not being able to distinguish a commercial flight that departed minutes ago from your main civilian airport from a military threat? This is not to mention, of course, their negligence in not closing their airspace with the looming situation between them and the US.

Shameful, and embarrassing.
 
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The Turk is right. Not very “smart” for their military reputation and capabilities. Not being able to distinguish a commercial flight that departed minutes ago from your main civilian airport from a military threat? This is not to mention, of course, their negligence in not closing their airspace with the looming situation between them and the US.

Shameful, and embarrassing.

Although you are right that this incident will give the perception of Iran's military being careless etc, but in reality, the incident was not the fault of the military. Read my summary of what happened below:

"What happened in this case, this plane was flying near a sensitive site and it suddenly reduced its altitude, a tor operator mistook this as an attack and the fired missile. Don't forget, the radar of a tor system simply cannot differentiate between a missile or a plane, and apparently operators did not have connection to the outside due to the jamming that was going on (caused by Iran itself) and thus could not confirm whether this was a "friend or foe"and this operator had to decide whether not shoot or not in a 10 second window.

So the blame here is not with the poor operator, the blame is on whoever did not fully enforce a completely ban on civilian flights during this time. So to the trolls trying to demean the Iranian air defence network, try to read into the full facts first and then talk. The IRGC did ask for a full stop to flights, but someone "higher" up did not allow."
 
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They lied for three days straight until they publicly admitted their lie. What a great and honourable gesture of the Iranian terror regime.

Let me kill a member of your family, deny it for three days and then publicly apologize. Apparently, you'd be fine with this.
The black box wasn't opened by Ukrainians and Canadians for 3 days so they couldn't announce anything. Meanwhile the engine had fired before it turned to a military site and then it got shot by quivers of a missile. Even if it hadn't shot by quivers of a missile it may crashed because one of engines had fired.

Another thing the pilot is an american and this incident is a bit fishy.

Why did it turn to a military site is a big question...
 
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Despite all our flaws, we are 1000 times better than this horrible, disgusting and anti-Islam "Wannabe" Muslim terroristic regime which has killed tens of thousands of Arabs all around the Middle East just because they're Sunni.

You Turks killed and displaced millions of Syrians from their homes because you Saw Assad was not a real "Muslim" and you guys were drunk on "neo-ottoman" ideas first you guys opposed the Russians early in the conflict now you are BFFs as usual dont give me this bs of one side bad one side is good yall are drunk on power
 
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USA mentality if you review their history is they don't apologize for Genocide and wars

a) 50-60 million Native Indian tribes were forcefully displaced and their lands confiscated and population forced to decline by economic shutdown and sanctions to own business in their own land. The culture of Native Indians is still mocked in USA . Trump wants to build a oil pipeline thru the burial ground of the Natives

b) Japan was nuclear bombed and no apology was issued the bombs were dropped for the joy of dropping and cause maximum suffering for multiple generations

c) Vietnam war, forests were carpet-bombed, or chemical burning agents were used to burn down forests and rebellion

d) Cambodia still is recovering live Bomblets in their forest and farms

e) Destruction of Syria in modern age again there will be no apology

  • It is the nature of the beast

War, as it is known to Muslims, is not the same way the USA sees war


Muslim's approach to war is after the conquest , the people are granted security and minorities are supported in return for citizen tax


f) The issue is not just USA but Europe in general if you review their history , bloody killing in cities which were won / after conquest was common

  • The whole of South America went thru genocide for 200-300 years

You will never hear USA say we are sorry that was f***d up your country and 40% of your population is crippled
 
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Are you people comparing WAR situations with shooting a commercial airline?

Both scenario arent the same!
 
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USA never apologizes that is the Universal Truth , people need to accept
and my argument above, because someone asked why does USA never apologizes?

That does not mean their citizens all of them agree with that approach but the "War Machinery" known as USA does not apologizes their are tremendous Pro Peace people in USA but the are a minority and their voices don't make an impact

For sake of comparison, we saw Iran apologized
 
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Great a Typical Pakistani Turk a... s k...ser response twenty years ago your kind would have been defending the Gulf Sheikhdoms and Saudis cause they are "bhai bhai" or friends with us utter nonsense my point to the Turkish OP is he peddling regime change views by blaming what he sees as the "mullah regime" my point is all regional Muslim powers have blood in their hands wheather its the Turks,Iranians, and Arabs its a shame but its the truth but I dont oppose them I feel pity for them why they are so invested in Pan Turkism,Pan Iranian,and Pan Arabism than uplifting the Muslim Ummah Pakistanis need to learn that

Instead of resorting to ad hominems, and completely mischaracterizing my beliefs regarding the geopolitics of the middle east, it would be wise if you would check my postings regarding Turkey. Not to mention my profile signature which is quite literally making fun of the Pakistani Ottomanists you see in a typical TRT comment section.
 
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Instead of resorting to ad hominems, and completely mischaracterizing my beliefs regarding the geopolitics of the middle east, it would be wise if you would check my postings regarding Turkey. Not to mention my profile signature which is quite literally making fun of the Pakistani Ottomanists you see in a typical TRT comment section.

But you do agree what I wrote at least semi agree
 
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