Iran and Pakistan must work together on Yemen.

[waz]

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said on Wednesday that Pakistan and Iran should cooperate to solve the crisis in Yemen.

"We need to work together to find a political solution," Zarif said during a two-day visit to Islamabad in which he was expected to urge Pakistan to reject a Saudi request to join a military operation against Houthi forces in Yemen. Some of the Houthi rebels have links to Iran.

"The people of Yemen should not have to face aerial bombardment," he said, referring to air strikes by the Saudi-led coalition that started last month.

Zarif said he favoured a four-part plan to impose a ceasefire in Yemen, deliver humanitarian assistance and then establish a broad-based dialogue and finally a broad-based government. He recommended this to Pakistani, Turkish and Omani leaders, he said.

Pakistani members of parliament on Wednesday spent a third day debating the Saudi request, with all speakers so far arguing against militarily involvement in Yemen.

(Reporting by Mehreen Zahra-Malik; Writing by Katharine Houreld; Editing by Andrew Roche)

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-foreign-minister-pakistan-iran-must-together-yemen-



Credit to @SipahSalar

 

[Sunan]

I think if saudia and iran both show some flexibility we can find the middle way to solve the problem InshAllah..

 

[SafShikan]

a pure hypocrisy by Iran....on one side their media was reporting that Pakistani subs are going to attack Iran any minute and on other side they want our cooperation ?
I am not against the Muslim brotherhood but this is not going to help any of us...what does they want to show ?

 

[haman10]

Pakistani members of parliament on Wednesday spent a third day debating the Saudi request, with all speakers so far arguing against militarily involvement in Yemen.

Wise people indeed .

@waz , you know that i respect you very much as a pakistani right ? you're the most fair and polite pakistani i've met online besides @haviZsultan .

what is your take on what the officials of pakistan said regarding the situation of Yemen ?

on one side their media was reporting that Pakistani subs are going to attack Iran any minute

pakistan has no such power . what media said that ?

 

[chauvunist]

So if they are sponsoring terrorists in Yemen then it;s alright but Pakistan should not help it's closest ally in fighting them..What a logic..

 

[waz]

Wise people indeed .

@waz , you know that i respect you very much as a pakistani right ? you're the most fair and polite pakistani i've met online besides @haviZsultan .

what is your take on what the officials of pakistan said regarding the situation of Yemen ?

Thank you very much bro for your kind words. I have a great deal of respect for you as well.

The officials are dead against any involvement in Yemen. I think we haven't seen such a unanimous collection of voices ever on a political issue., with even the right wing "Islamic" parties against it i.e. JUI. You then have the likes of leaders such as Imran Khan dead against it, the PPP against it and so on. The picture is quite clear here. Nawaz's statements have have been very vague, and this due to the sheer opposition he faces.
The military have literally turned their face away from the whole affair and senior generals have already stated they are "over stretched" and so on. In subtle terms, they are not interested.

There are a few reasons underpinning this opposition:
1. Pakistan is not an Arab state, nor is it in the Middle East. This whole affair has nationalism, tribalism and sectarianism written all over it.
2. Pakistan, unlike many of the states involved is mixed in terms of religious sects. Those who adhere to fiqh Jafiri make up 30 million brothers and sisters in Pakistan. To create inter-sect tensions, through mindless adventurism aboard is insane.
3. The country is engaged in a brutal war with Takfiris who not only call the goverment and army apostates, but who alsodeclare Barelvi Sufis and Shia kaffirs, and target non-Muslim minorities. This war needs resources, manpower and more importantly internal unity and the lack of external commitments that could risk taking assets away from this war, which the Yemen debacle will do.
4. Speaking about about Yemen, just what has been achieved there? Nothing but more conflict and bloodshed. The Pakistani people do not want their forces to be embroiled in a war with fellow Muslims that has no end.

 

[SafShikan]

pakistan has no such power . what media said that ?

I don't know exactly...you tell me that how is it possible...even if a common Irani like you knows this then what was that hype for ?

it was one of the Irani brother on some other thread(PDF)...I don't remember exactly

 

[haman10]

So if they are sponsoring terrorists in Yemen

Why are houthis terrorist ?

Bet you cannot even pronounce their name properly

but Pakistan should not help it's closest ally in fighting them..What a logic..

Pakistan helps Saudi Arabia = Haram.

1- Syria and Iraq were attacked , in this case saudi arabia is the aggressor

2- pakistan can help anyone they like , we couldn't care less . but either choose side/ stay neutral or else quite this coward behavior .

3-make sure your beloved saudi is there to help you when you need them

Thank you very much bro for your kind words. I have a great deal of respect for you as well.

The officials are dead against any involvement in Yemen. I think we haven't seen such a unanimous collection of voices ever on a political issue., with even the right wing "Islamic" parties against it i.e. JUI. You then have the likes of leaders such as Imran Khan dead against it, the PPP against it and so on. The picture is quite clear here. Nawaz's statements have have been very vague, and this due to the sheer opposition he faces.
The military have literally turned their face away from the whole affair and senior generals have already stated they are "over stretched" and so on. In subtle terms, they are not interested.

There are a few reasons underpinning this opposition:
1. Pakistan is not an Arab state, nor is it in the Middle East. This whole affairs has nationalism, tribalism and sectarianism written all over it.
2. Pakistan, unlike many of the states involved is mixed on terms of religious sects. Those who adhere to fiqh Jafiri make up 30 million brothers and sisters in Pakistan. To create inter-sect tensions, through mindless adventurism aboard is insane.
3. The country is engaged in a brutal war with Takfiris who not only call the goverment and army apostates, but who alsodeclare Barelvi Sufis, Shia kaffirs, and target non-Muslim minorities. This war needs resources, manpower and more importantly internal unity and the lack of external commitments that could risk taking assets away from this war, which the Yemen debacle will do.
4. Speaking about about Yemen, just what has been achieved there? Nothing but more conflict and bloodshed. The Pakistani people do not want their forces to be embroiled in a war with fellow Muslims that has no end.

@chauvunist read and learn how a pakistani with free mentality posts .

this is i think the most important thing you've said waz bro :

"Pakistan is not an Arab state"

having a free foreign policy is the key to be a nation with influence . thats exactly right

 

[Daneshmand]

Thank you very much bro for your kind words. I have a great deal of respect for you as well.

The officials are dead against any involvement in Yemen. I think we haven't seen such a unanimous collection of voices ever on a political issue., with even the right wing "Islamic" parties against it i.e. JUI. You then have the likes of leaders such as Imran Khan dead against it, the PPP against it and so on. The picture is quite clear here. Nawaz's statements have have been very vague, and this due to the sheer opposition he faces.
The military have literally turned their face away from the whole affair and senior generals have already stated they are "over stretched" and so on. In subtle terms, they are not interested.

There are a few reasons underpinning this opposition:
1. Pakistan is not an Arab state, nor is it in the Middle East. This whole affairs has nationalism, tribalism and sectarianism written all over it.
2. Pakistan, unlike many of the states involved is mixed on terms of religious sects. Those who adhere to fiqh Jafiri make up 30 million brothers and sisters in Pakistan. To create inter-sect tensions, through mindless adventurism aboard is insane.
3. The country is engaged in a brutal war with Takfiris who not only call the goverment and army apostates, but who alsodeclare Barelvi Sufis, Shia kaffirs, and target non-Muslim minorities. This war needs resources, manpower and more importantly internal unity and the lack of external commitments that could risk taking assets away from this war, which the Yemen debacle will do.
4. Speaking about about Yemen, just what has been achieved there? Nothing but more conflict and bloodshed. The Pakistani people do not want their forces to be embroiled in a war with fellow Muslims that has no end.

But there is a problem. Prime Minister Nawas Sharif has personal interests in Saudi Arabia. I have heard he even owns a steel mill there in addition to properties. I am sure he has political support among at least a segment of people and if he orders the army to go there, then will the army be able to refuse him? I know Pakistan Army holds unofficial veto over all matters, but that is a possibility.

As I had said on another thread, even if Pakistan decides to go into Yemen, at least Pakistanis should demand 500 billion dollars in cash from Saudi Arabia, not some future promise. Killing Yemenis only for emotional reasons of a minority segment of Pakistani society (mostly Takfiris) and personal interests of a PM is not a good reason.

Wise people indeed .

@waz , you know that i respect you very much as a pakistani right ? you're the most fair and polite pakistani i've met online besides @haviZsultan .

what is your take on what the officials of pakistan said regarding the situation of Yemen ?


pakistan has no such power . what media said that ?

I guess Pakistan really does not want to go into Yemen. There is a big public outlash against it in Pakistan as I have understood it from their media. But they need the money, so things can change on that account.

 

[haman10]

There is a big public outlash against it in Pakistan

yeah there was some rallies which were held if i'm not wrong

 

[Daneshmand]

yeah there was some rallies which were held if i'm not wrong

Not only rallies. There is a big outlash against it among their intelligentsia. And quite vocal too. But Takfiris are pushing hard. The Takfiris are in minority but because they scream when they talk, they appear powerful.

 

[SafShikan]

But there is a problem. Prime Minister Nawas Sharif has personal interests in Saudi Arabia. I have heard he even owns a steel mill there in addition to properties. I am sure he has political support among at least a segment of people and if he orders the army to go there, then will the army be able to refuse him? I know Pakistan Army holds unofficial veto over all matters, but that is a possibility.

As I had said on another thread, even if Pakistan decides to go into Yemen, at least Pakistanis should demand 500 billion dollars in cash from Saudi Arabia, not some future promise. Killing Yemenis only for emotional reasons of a minority segment of Pakistani society (mostly Takfiris) and personal interests of a PM is not a good reason.



I guess Pakistan really does not want to go into Yemen. There is a big public outlash against it in Pakistan as I have understood it from their media. But they need the money, so things can change on that account.

money is not a problem mate...It is the help Saudis did in our internal and external matters...like support after atomic explosions etc.
we do not seek any such benefit from KSA in future but ethically it is our duty to help a friend in need like they did...this is the only problem here...of course apart from the PM`s personal interest you mentioned above

 

[Daneshmand]

money is not a problem mate...It is the help Saudis did in our internal and external matters...like support after atomic explosions etc.
we do not seek any such benefit from KSA in future but ethically it is our duty to help a friend in need like they did...this is the only problem here...of course apart from the PM`s personal interest you mentioned above

It was not only Saudis who "helped" you, there were other countries as well. They just gave you oil on DEFERRED payment. They got full payment for it later on.

But I think money is a big problem. Pakistan spends almost half of its national budget on debt servicing, paying hefty interests on loans: Debt servicing to consume 42.1pc budget expenditure - thenews.com.pk

The situation of course is not tenable in long term. Since almost half of your budget is going towards paying creditors. Poor economic planning and political decisions have put Pakistan into a tight corner, exposing it to opportunistic elements wanting to take advantage of Pakistan.

 

[Levina]

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Pakistani members of parliament on Wednesday spent a third day debating the Saudi request, with all speakers so far arguing against militarily involvement in Yemen.

Waz Bhai,
I think this is very confusing. On a daily basis this is the headlines I read in this part of the world

This yesterday's headlines in Gulfnews paper (UAE).
I think Pak.govt's reticence to come out loud and clear on this issue gives way to such confusion.
As far as Yemen is concerned then I think instead of turning that poor country into a battle ground like Iraq and Syria, GCC countries and Iran must solve this politically. Pakistan and Oman can at the best remain neutral or participate, but KSA looks unstoppable right now, the belligerent attitude adopted by them shows no sign of transforming into something milder.
There's already some theories which says KSA and Israel have joined hands to fight against Iran, and that they plan to sabotage the nuclear talks. They're assuming that keeping Iran busy in Yemen would work in their favor.
I really dont think KSA and its partners would stop till Iran backs out.


PS:
I had posted this pic on another thread this morning but that thread got deleted.

 

[Daneshmand]

Waz Bhai,
I think this is very confusing. On a daily basis this is the headlines I read in this part of the world
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This yesterday's headlines in Gulfnews paper (UAE).
I think Pak.govt's reticence to come out loud and clear on this issue gives way to such confusion.
As far as Yemen is concerned then I think instead of turning that poor country into a battle ground like Iraq and Syria, GCC countries and Iran must solve this politically. Pakistan and Oman can at the best remain neutral or participate, but KSA looks unstoppable right now, the belligerent attitude adopted by them shows no sign of transforming into something milder.
There's already some theories which says KSA and Israel have joined hands to fight against Iran, and that they plan to sabotage the nuclear talks. They're assuming that keeping Iran busy in Yemen would work in their favor.
I really dont think KSA and its partners would stop till Iran backs out.


PS:
I had posted this pic on another thread this morning but that thread got deleted.

Well the reason for that as I understand it, is that the "world" wants to push Pakistan into it. And maybe they will succeed.

In other news, today, US announced that they are selling more bombs and ammo to Saudi Arabia on emergency basis. I guess Saudi armory is fast depleting and Saudis do not have any manufacturing capability, so the US is there to help them in this regard.

But US does not want its own soldiers on the ground. They want some canon fodders in Yemen to give comfort to Saudi royal family.