Interesting

[Dubious]

Muhaaahaha true ^ but men are just awful at it

And some women are awful at working outside...all 5 fingers are not equal....

I am not sure how many of you have met Western women....I have a friend she is married to a PhD colleague...she is fresh out of Pakistan and she lives here...she told me she was in her class studying the local language and she was telling the local White women how women in our society are queens and dont have to work out and they only do household chores even that some husbands help them....and they are taken care of either by their father or brother before marriage and afterwards by their husbands....and she said soo many women envied their princess lifestyle as compared to theirs where they fend for themselves after the age of 18 ....

Yes cultural difference but every woman likes to be a princess or think of herself being treated as one!

This is just one scenario...And sure alot of men can come and declare or force down "equality" to make the women "equal" instead of them enjoying the feeling this woman was elaborating and explaining....

 

[jamahir]

For Muslims women are precious to us....

you are just throwing in every word you know that is linked to Islam

you talk as if nasser, muammar, saddam and me have no connection to islam and you really know what islam is... who is the "us" and what is the "you"...

Sorry didnt get the context of this one!

you said...

IF one likes me for a body which will grow old and wont look the same after few yrs than that person is not worth what will not change (my inner self)

so i said...

why should age stop a lady from appearing attractive?? i find older ladies also as attractive as those of 15 or 30... of course, in the west the ladies become shrivelled because the popular western culture imposes thin-ness on ladies... unnatural imposition...

What is the need to hide your diamond and jewelry in a safe...can it grow to form more diamonds? Does it make you richer? Why hide that which is precious to you? Who are you hiding it from?

sorry, again another defensive statement with nothing connecting it to my question...

my project group is designing a microprocessor... not many in the world can do that... less than ten current independent designs... we can complete the project without ever involving a burqa... same for the mars settlement program of spacex...

so, what can a burqa really contribute to humanity??

Questioning ones choice not to reveal herself while never questioning ones choice to reveal maximum of herself (attention seeker?)

the burqa in the west or the east or the south or a socialist muslim society is being the attention seeker... "oh, look... i am so pure and pious because i wear the burqa"... and in modern south asian society, the burqa seeks to impose fear and submission in the remaining muslim ladies who don't wear burqa, and she seeks to dictate to the non-mullah males that she being female knows what is good for her ( the burqa ) and they don't.

 

[Dubious]

you talk as if nasser, muammar, saddam and me have no connection to islam and you really know what islam is... who is the "us" and what is the "you"...

Sorry I lost you again...

you said...
IF one likes me for a body which will grow old and wont look the same after few yrs than that person is not worth what will not change (my inner self)
so i said...
why should age stop a lady from appearing attractive?? i find older ladies also as attractive as those of 15 or 30... of course, in the west the ladies become shrivelled because the popular western culture imposes thin-ness on ladies... unnatural imposition...

Ahh right...theory vs practice....

I am not talking about age I am talking about even youthful me! I rather be loved for WHO I AM than WHAT I LOOK LIKE!

so, what can a burqa really contribute to humanity??

What can a hipster or piercing body parts contribute to humanity? what about the tikka on the forhead of Hindu women? or tha mangal sutter around their necks?

What about the cross around the pope's neck? What is that contributing to humanity?

The orange clothes of a priest?

the burqa in the west or the east or the south or a socialist muslim society is being the attention seeker... "oh, look... i am so pure and pious because i wear the burqa".

Not many wear it as a symbol to show off....Many wear it as a choice (fear of god) and a handful wear it coz its forced....Not sure where you got such an idea from! Just coz many wear expensive brands as a show off their wealth not everyone does things to show off!

and in modern south asian society, the burqa seeks to impose fear and submission in the remaining muslim ladies who don't wear burqa, and she seeks to dictate to the non-mullah males that she being female knows what is good for her ( the burqa ) and they don't.

Well that is your thinking isnt it? The same thinking media fed you...

How is she submitting to men when she submitted to god?

As for judgmental behaviour...it is also present in every other being NOT wearing the burqa like the media judging them as being oppressive or you judging them as a show off based solely on your thinking...You being NON BURQA person just did what you are claiming the burqa lady for doing ...

so how is that different from a burqa lady judging a non burqa lady?

 

[jamahir]

what about the tikka on the forhead of Hindu women? or tha mangal sutter around their necks?

hinduism is unjust, especially to the ladies... there is no divorce and re-marriage system as per hinduism... there is no independence for a female in hinduism... she ( a human ) is first the property of her father and brother, and then of her husband... and the single marriage in hinduism is considered existing for seven life times, ideally... a married female is considered to be an exalted female, serving her true master, the husband... and that is why the "mangal sutter" and the "maang meh sindoor" and festival rituals like "sindoor khela"... as for the "tikka on the forehead", i don't know.

The orange clothes of a priest?

i am socialist... post-religion promoter now but earlier a true muslim ( because i am socialist )... islam was created to remove the priest system... priests, agents to god or gods... interpreters of divine presence and law... chief idolators or proxy idols ( mullahs )...

i will demolish any place promoting idolatry.

Sorry I lost you again...

how many times...

I rather be loved for WHO I AM than WHAT I LOOK LIKE!

no sensible society will trust a bunch of females who hide their faces... no real man will like a female who is ashamed enough of her feminine attributes as to hide them voluntarily and scare other ladies to hide them too...

What can a hipster or piercing body parts contribute to humanity?

why do you attribute things to me i never said??

Many wear it as a choice (fear of god)

How is she submitting to men when she submitted to god?

what kind of talk is that?? okay... go to west africa now and live with a ebola sufferer... and let us of pdf see how your "submission to god via wearing burqa" helped you in not getting ebola... agreed??

The same thinking media fed you...

what media?? i am socialist... with more common sense than most people.

and she was telling the local White women how women in our society are queens and dont have to work out and they only do household chores even that some husbands help them....and they are taken care of either by their father or brother before marriage and afterwards by their husbands....and she said soo many women envied their princess lifestyle as compared to theirs where they fend for themselves after the age of 18 ....

what a fairy tale you make south asian life to be... did "she" tell the local white ladies about honor killing and dowry deaths?? what you describe so happily is hinduism way of life...

why do you connect western capitalism ( making money for survival ) with south asian cultural injustices??

tell me... what is the islami method of marriage??

 

[Dubious]

hinduism is unjust, especially to the ladies... there is no divorce and re-marriage system as per hinduism... there is no independence for a female in hinduism... the single marriage in hinduism is considered existing for seven life times, ideally... a married female is considered to be an exalted female, serving her true master, the husband... and that is why the "mangal sutter" and the "maang meh sindoor" and festival rituals like "sindoor khela"... as for the "tikka on the forehead", i don't know.

i will demolish any place promoting idolatry.

wth?

how many times...

I am answering more than 1 type of question and sorry to say some of your replies dont make sense to me...

no sensible society will trust a bunch of females who hide their faces... no real man will like a female who is ashamed enough of her feminine attributes as to hide them voluntarily and scare other ladies to hide them too...

1) a sensible society shouldnt be judgemental...

2) who says women who are ashamed of their feminity are the ones who clad the burqa?

3) Who is scaring other women? Where in the Quran does it state that? If not that is an attribute to the woman alone not the Quran or Islam...distinguish that!

what kind of talk is that?? okay... go to west africa now and live with a ebola sufferer... and let us of pdf see how your "submission to god" helped you in not getting by ebola... agreed??

My answer was in context of your question...I am not sure why you keep pulling my answers out of context !

The context was submission to men...not to science or illness! BTW, no one can submit to science or illness that is dedication! Learn to differentiate!

what media?? i am socialist... with more common sense than most people.

That is more of a proud person! In English we also call them obnoxious!

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

what a fairy tale you make south asian life to be... did "she" tell the local white ladies about honor killing and dowry deaths??

She doesnt come from your backyard...coz where she came from she was not in contact with such things...not every inch of Pakistan sinks in that....

why do you connect western
( making money for survival ) with south asian cultural injustices??

I am not connecting but showing the differences between what is A NORM and what PEOPLE ACTUALLY could want...if only they saw it from different eyes!

tell me... what is the islami method of marriage??

1st tell me what is Islami?

 

[halupridol]

@jamahir
told ya,,,,,nobodys buying

 

[VCheng]

@jamahir
told ya,,,,,nobodys buying

It doesn't matter. The results do. Look at what is going on and see such mentality destroy itself.

 

[halupridol]

It doesn't matter. The results do. Look at what is going on and see such mentality destroy itself.

actually,,,i was pointing towards jamahirs utopian aspirations

 

[VCheng]

actually,,,i was pointing towards jamahirs utopian aspirations

Aspirations are good, but only up to a point.

 

[jamahir]

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

so, you got the definition out of wikipedia...

so, you can't talk of socialism generally in your own words, and yet you decide to teach me what socialism is... me?? me who spent years in socialist activism... you are arrogant and ignorant... you are the pakistani version of indrani...

wth?

wonderful... you give examples from hinduism and i then explain them... and you reply with pretend-surprise...

The context was submission to men

no... the context was "submission to god of my pious burqa'ed self".

not every inch of Pakistan sinks in that....

does pakistan not have honor killing?? is gaddafi stadium ( lahore ) within a pakistan jamahiriya??

1st tell me what is Islami?

this is not a school debate where you can use bully tactics and hope to win.

 

[halupridol]

Aspirations are good, but only up to a point.

visit the one world government thread to know more

 

[VCheng]

visit the one world government thread to know more

Link please.

 

[halupridol]

Link please.

cant seem to find it,,,,,,@jamahir help me out here

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir
told ya,,,,,nobodys buying

believe me... i wanted to tag you to say that akheilos is the pakistani version of indrani... look at my last reply to her... i have said so.

as for my socialism propaganda... i now find good awareness of socialism and jamahiriya... my work, yes?? but like hindu-guy advised, i must create a thread for that, because until now, i have written those things as replies within others' threads.

 

[Dubious]

so, you can't talk of socialism generally in your own words, and yet you decide to teach me what socialism is... me?? me who spent years in socialist activism... you are arrogant and ignorant... you are the pakistani version of indrani...

I didnt want to get it wrong and I stick with definitions alot...And exactly who is the one using I/ me / myself alot?

wonderful... you give examples from hinduism and i then explain them... and you reply with pretend-surprise...

I wasnt asking you to explain them in such a rude tone nor was I asking you to explain them...I was rather asking a practicing Hindu to do so...

And in all honesty I didnt know half of them for all I know you could be answering out of hate ....

As for the demolishing...NO I didnt expect such an answer from any human being! Esp not one who prides himself as a socialist!

"submission to god of my pious burqa'ed self".

I never said that it is you who views it that way....

No one submits to a burqa...it is not a designer cloth nor something idolized....

I already answered it....

does pakistan not have honor killing?? is gaddafi stadium ( lahore ) within a pakistan jamahiriya??

It does just as much as India has its own problems but none of the Indians in my institutes talk even 1 drop about the problems

Just like how @Syed.Ali.Haider refuses to address any problems with America

Just like any White will not talk about every problem in the West.....

his is not a school debate where you can use bully tactics and hope to win.

Bully? You wrote it...I quoted you so...

you are the pakistani version of indrani...

And I am bullying ...I havent even quoted of all the weird things you have judgmentally associated with me...or labelled me with in previous posts ...yet I am the bully?



You definitely use psychological projection alot!