INS Kalvari begins rigorous sea trials

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INS Kalvari begins rigorous sea trials
PublishedOctober 4, 2015 | Byadmin

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

INS Kalvari first of the French Scorpene Class diesel-electric attack submarines developed under licence at the Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) in India under Project-75 has begun a rigorous first phase of sea trials.

Kalvari last month completed set of Dry Dock trials successfully after it was first floated out of her building dock earlier this year by Defence minister Manohar Parrikar.

Sources close to idrw.org say that special French team along with trained Indian Navy crew and few MDL engineers are participating in the first phase of trials where Kalvari will perform few basic maneuvers at sea before coming back to the docks.

Kalvari will be carrying out series of Sea Trials which also includes Weapons trials. MDL are targeting June 2016 to complete all Sea Trials so that first submarine will be ready to be handed over to Indian Navy for Induction later in September 2016.

MDL has promised to deliver the Second submarine christened as INS Khanderi within 8 months after Kalvari is inducted into Indian Navy by mid of 2017 and complete delivery of all remain submarine by 2020.

 

[Mustang06]

Any news on the heavy weight torpedoes for the subs?

 

[kaykay]

Great.

 

[sathya]

Hope it adds the punch that Navy needs desperately in under sea platforms..
6 new subs in fleet is okay for only one front..
Why there is no talk of follow on orders, scorpene not good enough or too expensive ?

 

[Donald Trump]

Any news on the heavy weight torpedoes for the subs?

 

[The Ultranationalist]

what a relief seeing scorpene finally undergoing trials.

 

[silent poison]

MDL has promised to deliver the Second submarine christened as INS Khanderi within 8 months after Kalvari is inducted into Indian Navy by mid of 2017 and complete delivery of all remain submarine by 2020.

From Aircraft to Submarine ==> First one always take years to enter the service the second one just few months and so on ... The time period keeps on decreasing .

 

[sathya]

Can some shed light on how is the total cost of the project including price escalations ...

 

[Donatello]

What an idiotic comparison. You are comparing a small, conventional 1,500 Tonne submarine with big ballistic missile nuclear submarines.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Any news on the heavy weight torpedoes for the subs?

There are some news about that.
It is about a possible JV between Germany and India which is supposed to be in discussion agenda of Angela Merkel when she is on a 3 day visit to India starting tonight (Sunday). It is suppose to be again a make in India venture. It is to be seen if its again a kit based assembly or perhaps a proper TOT transfer based local production or something more also
News item for that (link)
India-Germany likely to announce joint defence production plan under ‘Make in India’ initiative - The Economic Times
Quotes from article:
While there is not likely to be a push from the German side on a government to government deal, sources say that two platforms that could be discussed for possible Indo-German cooperation include a new heavy torpedo that India requires for its Scorpene submarines as well as the upcoming contract for six new submarines under the P 75I project.

The more deliverable project involves an immediate requirement of the Indian Navy - a new class of heavy torpedoes for the Scorpene submarines that are to enter service next year. A current plan to purchase 'Black shark' torpedoes by Italian Company WASS has been hanging for years due to the blacklisting of its parent company Finmecannica.

 

[sathya]

What an idiotic comparison. You are comparing a small, conventional 1,500 Tonne submarine with big ballistic missile nuclear submarines.

I think that post picture is just meant to show basic capabilities of scorpene not really for comparison ..

There are some news about that.
It is about a possible JV between Germany and India which is supposed to be in discussion agenda of Angela Merkel when she is on a 3 day visit to India starting tonight (Sunday). It is suppose to be again a make in India venture. It is to be seen if its again a kit based assembly or perhaps a proper TOT transfer based local production or something more also
News item for that (link)
India-Germany likely to announce joint defence production plan under ‘Make in India’ initiative - The Economic Times
Quotes from article:
While there is not likely to be a push from the German side on a government to government deal, sources say that two platforms that could be discussed for possible Indo-German cooperation include a new heavy torpedo that India requires for its Scorpene submarines as well as the upcoming contract for six new submarines under the P 75I project.

The more deliverable project involves an immediate requirement of the Indian Navy - a new class of heavy torpedoes for the Scorpene submarines that are to enter service next year. A current plan to purchase 'Black shark' torpedoes by Italian Company WASS has been hanging for years due to the blacklisting of its parent company Finmecannica.

U 214 is having trouble in Greece ,
U 216 non magnetic hull is not suitable for our seas..

What other platform they can offer us ?

How about non nuclear Barracuda ?
It can even help in our arihant class nuclear subs..

 

[PARIKRAMA]

How about non nuclear Barracuda ?
It can even help in our arihant class nuclear subs..

I doubt the non nuclear option. Various talks are in many forums regarding the barracuda reactor called K15 being purchased by India as part of TOT deal between India and france piggybacking on L&T Areva deal as well as other ventures including rumored Rrafale deal. The 150 MW PWR seems to be a direct choice for SSN project which is sure shot 6+6 structure.. . Some suggested chakra 190 MW reactor too but that is too powerful and will need a humongous size tonnage which i am sure IN may not be looking at. The other benefit of K15 150 PWR is direct application into a N power ACC if so desired... Unfortunately no credible source exist

But the rumoured talks also includes conversion of Scropene subs into SSNs too. Anyway there is a strong discussion goin on for a follow on scorpene order of 6 more. This will be besides P75I which i believe may finally go to Russia and have cost built in for the N SSBN project as part of Arihant follown subs which will carry 8 or more K4/K5.

U 214 is having trouble in Greece ,
U 216 non magnetic hull is not suitable for our seas..

What other platform they can offer us ?

ThyssenKrupp AG and Reliance ADAG tie up seems to be what Germany may lobby officially for a 12 sub deal.
I personally prefer Dolphin class diesel electric sub by HDW with capability modification to fire SLCM same as Israel with N SLCM Popeye Turbo. We can put DRDO developed AIP there and get N Nirbhay loaded. That would be an awesome set up. And we can get some expertise from Israel with their experience of handling such boats

 

[Mustang06]

There are some news about that.
It is about a possible JV between Germany and India which is supposed to be in discussion agenda of Angela Merkel when she is on a 3 day visit to India starting tonight (Sunday). It is suppose to be again a make in India venture. It is to be seen if its again a kit based assembly or perhaps a proper TOT transfer based local production or something more also
News item for that (link)
India-Germany likely to announce joint defence production plan under ‘Make in India’ initiative - The Economic Times
Quotes from article:
While there is not likely to be a push from the German side on a government to government deal, sources say that two platforms that could be discussed for possible Indo-German cooperation include a new heavy torpedo that India requires for its Scorpene submarines as well as the upcoming contract for six new submarines under the P 75I project.

The more deliverable project involves an immediate requirement of the Indian Navy - a new class of heavy torpedoes for the Scorpene submarines that are to enter service next year. A current plan to purchase 'Black shark' torpedoes by Italian Company WASS has been hanging for years due to the blacklisting of its parent company Finmecannica.

What happened to the indigenous heavy weight torpedo program?

 

[Sankpal]

I doubt the non nuclear option. Various talks are in many forums regarding the barracuda reactor called K15 being purchased by India as part of TOT deal between India and france piggybacking on L&T Areva deal as well as other ventures including rumored Rrafale deal. The 150 MW PWR seems to be a direct choice for SSN project which is sure shot 6+6 structure.. . Some suggested chakra 190 MW reactor too but that is too powerful and will need a humongous size tonnage which i am sure IN may not be looking at. The other benefit of K15 150 PWR is direct application into a N power ACC if so desired... Unfortunately no credible source exist

But the rumoured talks also includes conversion of Scropene subs into SSNs too. Anyway there is a strong discussion goin on for a follow on scorpene order of 6 more. This will be besides P75I which i believe may finally go to Russia and have cost built in for the N SSBN project as part of Arihant follown subs which will carry 8 or more K4/K5.



ThyssenKrupp AG and Reliance ADAG tie up seems to be what Germany may lobby officially for a 12 sub deal.Well they have 212/214 but i doubt 214 as 3 are in PN already.
I personally prefer Dolphin class diesel electric sub by HDW with capability modification to fire SLCM same as Israel with N SLCM Popeye Turbo. We can put DRDO developed AIP there and get N Nirbhay loaded. That would be an awesome set up. And we can get some expertise from Israel with their experience of handling such boats

Well they have 212/214 but i doubt 214 as 3 are in PN already.
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wrong info my dear.... they r not having....

I should go for Russian sub.... but they still working on Amur class sub... I hope India will get improved Amur sub from Russia

 

[PARIKRAMA]

What happened to the indigenous heavy weight torpedo program?

In July 2015, CMD Mr V Udaya Bhaskar, Bharat Dynamics Limited, said the following
About the “Varunastra”, Bhaskar said the underwater missile system is being tested and almost in the induction phase. He said that once commercial orders come in from the defence forces, Bharat Dynamics would need to create an exclusive unit for underwater weapons manufacturing and testing at Visakhapatnam in the next 2-3 years

Bharat Dynamics to spend Rs300-400 crore for missile production - Livemint


So if we assume induction and mass production say in 3-5 years, we do need Heavy weight torpedoes till that period.


We had another project called "Thakshak" which was listed as achievements in NSTL but no official documents exist about that. other than this small detail
NSTL Varunastra Heavy Weight Torpedo: The heavy weight wire-guided torpedo called Varunastra and Thakshak thermal torpedo are suitable for use against both ships and submarines. The electrically powered Varunastra is stated to be in production
Perhaps Thakshak was a tech demonstrator.. Not sure about what is thermal torpedo..unless you mean a heat seeking torpedo in the same principles of heat seeking missiles...

Well they have 212/214 but i doubt 214 as 3 are in PN already.
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wrong info my dear.... they r not having....

I should go for Russian sub.... but they still working on Amur class sub... I hope India will get improved Amur sub from Russia

yes i stand wrong they dropped it for qing class.. sorry for thwe wrong ifo