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PUNE, JUNE 10:
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.

Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.

The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.

The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent.

The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.

KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani toldBusinessLine.

5-gun programme

The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programmes announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own.

At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.

The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.

The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.

In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.

Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.

There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.

With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.

After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.

“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.

“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.

“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.

The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
 
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PUNE, JUNE 10:
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.

Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.

The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.

The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent.

The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.

KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani toldBusinessLine.

5-gun programme

The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programmes announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own.

At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.

The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.

The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.

In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.

Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.

There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.

With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.

After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.

“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.

“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.

“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.

The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.

Didn't we made an order of 200+ guns earlier this month???
 
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Hi
Can anybody explain to me that are these two in the category of our Dhanush or not.
If yes how does it compare to the Dhanush?
Cheers
Thanks
 
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bro, can you post specifications of the gun???

http://elbitsystems.com/Elbitmain/files/ATHOS.pdf
Athos
NEXTER Group - Trajan®
Trajan

Hi
Can anybody explain to me that are these two in the category of our Dhanush or not.
If yes how does it compare to the Dhanush?
Cheers
Thanks

Its in the same category as with DRDO's future ATAGS, OFB's future Dhanush 52, and Kalyanis Bharat 52 guns.

Why are we so reluctant on self propelled guns?


There's going to be two different programs for mobile artillery. Tracked and wheeled.

So far private companies are doing some early work.

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Ashok Leyland will team up with Texter

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TATA is roping in Denel.

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For the tracked program, we know L&T is tying up with the Koreans and seek to produce their K9 in India.

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This order for 1500 pieces wont fill the demand, btw. So there's room for who ever to step in and take a slice.

These same private firms are also eyeing to produce DRDO's 155mm/52cal ATAGS as well.


Major Indian private and public sector players including Tata, Mahindra, L&T and BEL are holding parleys with DRDO for developing an indigenous advanced artillery howitzer for the Army.

"Objective of the interaction was to explore and encourage participation of Indian industries in the ATAGS project and generate a base for its design, development, manufacturing and integration," they said.

DRDO is currently developing the 155 mm, 52 calibre ATAGS at the Pune-based Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE).

Some of the major private and public sector firms which participated in the interaction were Tata Power, L&T, Bharat Forge, Mahindra Defence System, BHEL and BEL, the officials said.

DRDO Holds Parleys with Tata, L&T, BEL for Howitzers

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Some like Kalyani already have a towed 155 mm/52 calibre, Bharat 52. Which is in track trials now. Others like OFB will fit DRDO's new barrel unto already existing Dhanush.
 
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Little comparison between Nexter L&T Trajan & Bharat Forge Elbit Bharat 52.

Nexter L&T Trajan -
Caliber - 155mm/52
Weight - 13 tons
Range - 42 Kms & 55 kilometers using rocket assisted projectiles.
Crew - 6 men
Deployment time - 1.30 min
Rate of fire - 6 rounds per min
Mobility - 10 kmph in self propelled mode

Bharat Forge Elbit Bharat 52 -
Caliber - 155mm/52
Weight - 14 tons
Range - 41 Kms
Crew - 6 men
Deployment time - 1 min (day) 1.5 min (night)
Rate of fire - 6 rounds per min
Mobility - 30 kmph in self propelled mode

There is very little difference between these two guns. Trajan has some more advanced equipments whereas Bharat-52 provides better mobility for change of positions. Both guns can be transported through IAF IL-76 & C-17s.
 
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:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall: Hey guyzz i am in a big confusion
First What about Dhanush- so much noise no talk
Then i think somwhere 3 to 4 months before 814 mounted guns where cleared from DAC
Then there was a tender on light howitzers which was won by BAE M777 what about tht
now we are ordering this in numbers like 1500 Then DRDO has it's own programme can any
can anyone clear my doubts
Dhanush is already cleared for army and is under production. Gun Carriage Factory Jabalpur is all set for providing 414 Dhanush Guns by 2020.
Deal for M777 has been recently cleared by DAC & BAE is in process of selecting Make in India partner for gun production. The US firm has plans to shift the whole production unit of the howitzer to India that new facility would be its hub for worldwide orders. They are going to select their partner in next 2 months.
For your other confusions read this :
Indian Army’s Artillery Modernization Programme
 
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http://elbitsystems.com/Elbitmain/files/ATHOS.pdf
Athos
NEXTER Group - Trajan®
Trajan



Its in the same category as with DRDO's future ATAGS, OFB's future Dhanush 52, and Kalyanis Bharat 52 guns.




There's going to be two different programs for mobile artillery. Tracked and wheeled.

So far private companies are doing some early work.

a_Caesar_Ashok_Leyland_020_-_Copie.jpg


Ashok Leyland will team up with Texter

TATA-3.jpg

nM3VG2D.gif


TATA is roping in Denel.

0et5.jpg


For the tracked program, we know L&T is tying up with the Koreans and seek to produce their K9 in India.

==========================================================

This order for 1500 pieces wont fill the demand, btw. So there's room for who ever to step in and take a slice.

These same private firms are also eyeing to produce DRDO's 155mm/52cal ATAGS as well.






DRDO Holds Parleys with Tata, L&T, BEL for Howitzers

LLrdm9h.jpg

ATAGS+Poster-2.JPG

Wtomj8L.jpg




Some like Kalyani already have a towed 155 mm/52 calibre, Bharat 52. Which is in track trials now. Others like OFB will fit DRDO's new barrel unto already existing Dhanush.

how come DRDO gun gives 60km range,18 km more range over kalyani gun?
 
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