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Outlook India recently ran a story headlined "Noida to Islamabad". It suggests at least anecdotal evidence of information technology jobs beginning to move from India to Pakistan. The number of jobs is only 125 but could it be the tip of a larger iceberg? Are western companies finding Pakistan becoming more competitive with India in terms of cost and skills on offer? Let's try and answer these questions.


Noida to Islamabad:

Outlook India report said 125 employees at a US-based information technology service provider were laid off in Noida in New Delhi, India, and the very next day an equal number of workers started working for the company in Islamabad, Pakistan. Here's an excerpt of Outlook India story:

"On the night of November 1, stretching into early next morning, close to half the workforce at the Noida office of a US-based IT service provider was informed that their services were no longer needed. A former employee says salaries for the staff at the Noida office were declared delayed by a day on October 31. The official explanation was that the servers were not working. “They weren’t clear about how many people were going to be laid off,” he says. The next night, they “axed 125 people in half-an-hour.” They all got a severance package—a cheque for October and another two months of salary—and a termination letter. Rumors of layoffs had started doing the rounds four to five months ago. The talk was that the company was opening offices in a neighboring country. Curiously, the day the workforce in Noida was sacked, almost the same number of employees for the same low-level IT-enabled jobs logged into their systems, 676 kilometers away, in Islamabad, Pakistan. Job cuts have plagued the Indian IT sector for about two years now and have begun to get pretty serious from the start of this year. “Bloodbath in Bangalore” has been the recurring headline. But the trend of these jobs going to techies in Pakistan is more recent. Away from all the noise of ceasefire violations and surgical strikes, where Pakistan could really hurt India is in taking away low-end IT jobs. The neighbor has a budding IT industry, growing in its own space, looking to emulate the Indian IT success story where right now data operators and BPO callers come much cheaper."

The story did not identify the company by name.

Pakistan: The Next Software Hub?

There are tens of thousands of Pakistani IT engineers working in the West, particularly in Silicon Valley, the high-tech capital of the world. The popular entertainment industry recognizes this fact by featuring a Pakistani-American software engineer in lead role played by a real-life Pakistani-American Kumail Nanjiani in HBO's "Silicon Valley"serial. Articles like the New York Times Op Ed piece in 2015 titled "Pakistan, the Next Software Hub?" have helped raise the profile of Pakistan's information technology industry in the West.

Afiniti and Careem: Tech Unicorns Made in Pakistan:

Afiniti and Careem are two technology unicorns engineered in Pakistan by Pakistanis. AI (artificial intelligence) startup Afiniti software has largely been engineered in Lahore while taxi hailing service Careem's technology has mostly been developed in Karachi.

Careem is a taxi hailing app that is giving its American competitor Uber a run for its money in a region stretching from Pakistan to the Middle East and North Africa. The company cofounded by Mudassir Sheika, a Pakistani national, is headquartered in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

Careem's software has been developed by its technology partner VentureDive based in Karachi, Pakistan. VentureDive was started by serial Pakistani entrepreneur Atif Azim who sold his earlier startup Perfigo to network equipment giant Cisco for $74 million in 2004, according to a report in Tech in Asia.

Washington D.C. based AI technology firm Afiniti, founded by serial Pakistani-American entrepreneur Zia Chishti, has filed for initial public offering (IPO) at $1.6 billion valuation, according to VentureBeat. The company has grown out of the technology used in the Pakistan-based call center business of The Resource Group (TRG) also founded by Zia Chishti.

Bulk of the Afiniti development team is located in Thokar Niaz Baig, Lahore. In addition, the company has development team members in Islamabad and Karachi.

Number, Skills and Cost:

Pakistani universities are producing over 10,000 IT engineers annually. Many of them have demonstrated their quality and skills by freelancing for American and European companies. Pakistani freelancers consistently rank among the top three year after year.

In terms of cost, Pakistani engineers cost significantly less than engineers in India and elsewhere. The average salary of a software engineer ($110,000) in Silicon Valley is about 20X more than the average salaries in India ($6,875) and Pakistan ($4,770), according to Glassdoor.


Source: Glassdoor

Summary:

Recent move of 125 IT jobs from Noida to Islamabad in an indication that Pakistan is becoming an attractive destination for software and information technology companies looking for highly skilled talent at significant discounts. It is an emerging center of technology with at least two unicorns, Afiniti and Careem, engineered by Pakistanis in Pakistan. With growing numbers of young homegrown Pakistani technologists, a highly skilled diaspora and an evolving startup ecosystem with incubators, accelerators and investors, the country is beginning to demonstrate its vast potential as a vibrant technology hub of the future. Provincial governments, particularly those in Punjab and KP, are showing leadership in encouraging this trend. The main ingredients are all coming together to make things happen in Pakistan.

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India has become a quite established player due to a 15-20 years head start
  • Pakistani's segment will take 20 years to mature to same level long way to go not looking at individual level but rather , Corporation level

Not correct to say there is any massive change happening
There would be a minor Technology hub these hubs exist world wide

Vietnam
Thailand
China
India
Australia
Ukraine
Turkey
UK
France


At most one can argue , Pakistan is focusing on it's economy and that is a proper trend

The real primary goal / question will be , will there be enough IT specific jobs in future world? in next 10-20 years with focus on , Artificial Intelligence and Automation

There would have to be a real need i.e if Humans decide to explore Mars or Moon for more demand for IT related activities or Software.

With centralization of more and more knowledge and control with 1-2 companies like Amazon or Microsoft or Google , it is worth debating will there be enough small players left in market who would need IT services


May be there will be lot of Engineering / Software related work , may be Big corporations won't create A.I which can write code or construct stuff ... who know ...... but Big Corporations are moving towards a Model of Do Exponentially More with few resources


The vast amount of Changes happening in IT world are mainly due to Technological landscape changes, how things were done , vs how people are envisioning things to be done in near future

Trends/Habits are changing

  • Trends to support A.I/ Automation / Consolidation of Servers (Cloud) etc are all ideas being pushed by Big Corporations
 
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I am a Network Engineer at an IT company in Australia, we recently setup a new office in India with 100 new staff, so if India lost 125 jobs they also got 100 back so its nothing major.

Another thing is that they management had shortlisted 4 countries, Philipines, Sri Lanka, India and another country which i can't remember. Pakistan was not even in their consideration list.
 
I think its more to do with expectations vs reality of Indian software industry.
Everyone in West expects an outstanding Indian IT guru (the likes of which are shown in Hollywood movies)
But there are lots of Indians and companies, who have jumped into the bandwagon of IT revolution without the required skills and experience. I narrate 2 of my own experience.
My younger brother has his own iOS development setup. 95% of their projects are from Freelancing websites. Last year he got a project from German client. The man was really pissed off after being ripped off by some Indian. Cutting the story short, he was so impressed by the work done here (quality and meeting deadlines) that he has given 4 more projects after that and is a permanent client now.

Second incident, in a setup providing online chat support for a UK based client. The client took a portion from us and gave that on a lesser amount to a service provider based in Mumbai. After 3 months, he gave us back the project owing to severe quality issues and non availability. What happened after that for 1 whole month we received countless numbers of spam chats from unknown customers, which IP would show Mumbai, India. They would just come and leave after giving us a bad rate LoL :)
We informed our client back in UK that someone is trying hard to give us bad ratings. I dont know, how he fixed them...
 
I am a Network Engineer at an IT company in Australia, we recently setup a new office in India with 100 new staff, so if India lost 125 jobs they also got 100 back so its nothing major.

Another thing is that they management had shortlisted 4 countries, Philipines, Sri Lanka, India and another country which i can't remember. Pakistan was not even in their consideration list.
The problem with pakistan lies with it's ability to produce huge number of qualified graduates

Second govt orders for such companies
 
Firstly 125 jobs moving out of country doesn't mean a thing, 100s go out daily and 100s come in too. For me what matters is local demand, in fact I will be happy if Indian IT companies ditch low-end work and focus on climbing the value ladder. Even if these low-end works moves out of India due to rising cost, there are other countries better placed than Pakistan to grab on to them. Pakistan first needs to improve it's image if they want their IT sector to shine like that of India's.
BTW
IBM Now Has More Employees in India Than in the U.S.
 
I am a Network Engineer at an IT company in Australia, we recently setup a new office in India with 100 new staff, so if India lost 125 jobs they also got 100 back so its nothing major.

Another thing is that they management had shortlisted 4 countries, Philipines, Sri Lanka, India and another country which i can't remember. Pakistan was not even in their consideration list.
And so what. Enjoy India and it's head shaking software engineers call Billy and Tommy who are actually called cowshik and gupta
 
Why Indian media is so insecure. Just 125 jobs shifted to Pakistan, outlook India quickly came up with such crap.

And for Pakistanis, India is way ahead than us in IT.
 
And so what. Enjoy India and it's head shaking software engineers call Billy and Tommy who are actually called cowshik and gupta

You need to calm your horses down and start thinking rationally.

There are two ways of looking at my post, you can either go bonkers or you can actually think as to why is it that Pakistan was not considered, what can we do to make Pakistan more attractive, etc etc. I did ask one of the senior managers as to why they didn't consider opening in Pakistan, and he replied that they wern't even aware that Pakistan had an IT industry.

Getting 125 jobs is nothing, especially when you consider that annually Pakistan produces around 10,000 graduates.
 
You need to calm your horses down and start thinking rationally.

There are two ways of looking at my post, you can either go bonkers or you can actually think as to why is it that Pakistan was not considered, what can we do to make Pakistan more attractive, etc etc. I did ask one of the senior managers as to why they didn't consider opening in Pakistan, and he replied that they wern't even aware that Pakistan had an IT industry.

Getting 125 jobs is nothing, especially when you consider that annually Pakistan produces around 10,000 graduates.
Actually I now live in Pakistan. Have been here 4 years. This is an amazing country and people think there is nothing here due to the fact of poor governance and global media propagating terror. It's doesn't matter as things like aviation city are being built and engineers etc are required for that's. So all in all in the long term it's better foe Pakistan to stay away from the call centres where Gupta is pretending to be Michael and wasting their talent under the guise of IT
 
Actually I now live in Pakistan. Have been here 4 years. This is an amazing country and people think there is nothing here due to the fact of poor governance and global media propagating terror. It's doesn't matter as things like aviation city are being built and engineers etc are required for that's. So all in all in the long term it's better foe Pakistan to stay away from the call centres where Gupta is pretending to be Michael and wasting their talent under the guise of IT

I agree Aviation city is an awesome step, but that is just 1 step, we need many more. The future will belong to the nation whos economy will be based on technological products.

But remember we still have a huge unemployed population, and we need to work out how to provide them with more employment opportunities. Even if we have to make call centers.

I am trying to play my part by growing awareness in Australia that Pakistan does produce great IT engineers.
 
Good luck to Pakistan. Indian job can not go anywhere because you can not find such a talented manpower pool anywhere in the world. However, If pakistan can focus in IT, I foresee a great potential in pakistan. Pakistan can earrn few Bn USD for sure from IT in coming years.
 
I agree Aviation city is an awesome step, but that is just 1 step, we need many more. The future will belong to the nation whos economy will be based on technological products.

But remember we still have a huge unemployed population, and we need to work out how to provide them with more employment opportunities. Even if we have to make call centers.

I am trying to play my part by growing awareness in Australia that Pakistan does produce great IT engineers.

Well done.
Chine is spending 1.5 billion on a technology park in Islamabad geared towards research. So a lot is happening.
We need a revolution to get rid of the effing politicians. Need young blood.
 
India is the future R and D hub along with booming services industry. OP as usual has his delusions.

India has not even realized its 100 % potential yet !
 

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