Information collected by IB played vital role in raid on Nine Zero

[Sine Nomine]

IB's success in collecting data on militant wings operating in Karachi has proved handy in the successful operations.

ISLAMABAD: Although the civilian-led Intelligence Bureau (IB) has over the years run its operations under the shadow of the military-led Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), its success in collecting data on different militant wings operating in Karachi has proved handy in the recent successful operations.

Both on-and off-the-record discussions with former and serving officials of different law-enforcement agencies corroborate the fact that lack of collaboration between the two agencies had long been undermining effective operations against criminal elements.
But, they said, with the continuation of civilian governments in Islamabad, the IB had started strengthening its foothold and providing actionable intelligence to law-enforcers.

According to a senior official closely associated with IB’s operations, during the previous PPP government it had started building a consolidated databank on extortionists and targeted killers belonging to different religious and political parties operating in Karachi.

“Although no action was taken by the PPP government against these gangs because of political considerations, we kept following their activities and, in the process, gathered authentic statistics.”

As a result when in Sept 2013, the PML-N government decided to launch the operation in Karachi, the IB readily provided details of the affiliates of political parties involved in criminal activities.

According to the official, if political will prevails, Karachi’s situation can be effectively handled “as we have enough actionable intelligence at our disposal, including minute details of militant organisations and their sub-networks”.

“The initial success of the Karachi operation, which soon lost its intensity because of political considerations, is witness to the veracity of IB’s information,” he claimed.

Explaining how the IB had evolved into a functioning agency over the recent years, another official said that after General Parvez Musharraf’s years in power during which the agency played second fiddle to the ISI, the PPP government

earmarked some resources for its operations. The incoming PML-N government continued equipping the IB with required tools.
A former senior official of the IB said that regular military interventions had led to the undoing of the IB, which until 1979 was considered a useful civilian spying entity. The agency fell prey to politicisation during 90s as successive PML-N and PPP governments influenced its operations to suit their interests.

Gen Musharraf deprived the IB of whatever resources it had, thereby making it a toothless agency, said the official.
Former interior secretary Tasneem Noorani (2001-2005) said that for obvious reasons Mr Musharraf had more confidence in the well- equipped ISI than the IB. As a result the latter was sent to the periphery and lost the opportunity of developing into a potent force. But he agreed that of late the IB had started making positive contributions.

In reply to a question, Mr Noorani said the raid on the headquarters of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement showed that the agencies had done adequate homework and were in possession of irrefutable evidence against those arrested.
On the lack of cooperation between the IB and ISI, which had long been considered as a hurdle in the way of effective intelligence operations, a senior police official, who had been posted in Karachi, said: “A healthy competition between the two agencies can yield a win-win situation. I am happy that the two agencies have started increasingly cooperating with each other.”

He said an effective IB could make a positive contribution to the success of the efforts to counter terrorism. “Although, the military-led Rangers are playing a leading role in reining in targeted killers in Karachi, there is no doubt that the IB has played a vital role in recent successes.”
“And this happens all over the world as countries do maintain multiple agencies but their actions end up in protecting their people,” he added.

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, while launching the first internal security policy, duly mentioned “trust deficit between the two agencies”. But on Feb 4 he jubilantly informed the National Assembly about a rare cooperation between the ISI and the IB, which led to the foiling of a deadly suicide plan against people belonging to Shia Hazara community of Quetta.

Published in Dawn, March 16th, 2015
@Zarvan @syedali73 @HRK @Pomegranate @Magnet @Gufi @Irfan Baloch

 

[Zarvan]

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IB's success in collecting data on militant wings operating in Karachi has proved handy in the successful operations.

ISLAMABAD: Although the civilian-led Intelligence Bureau (IB) has over the years run its operations under the shadow of the military-led Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), its success in collecting data on different militant wings operating in Karachi has proved handy in the recent successful operations.

Both on-and off-the-record discussions with former and serving officials of different law-enforcement agencies corroborate the fact that lack of collaboration between the two agencies had long been undermining effective operations against criminal elements.
But, they said, with the continuation of civilian governments in Islamabad, the IB had started strengthening its foothold and providing actionable intelligence to law-enforcers.

According to a senior official closely associated with IB’s operations, during the previous PPP government it had started building a consolidated databank on extortionists and targeted killers belonging to different religious and political parties operating in Karachi.

“Although no action was taken by the PPP government against these gangs because of political considerations, we kept following their activities and, in the process, gathered authentic statistics.”

As a result when in Sept 2013, the PML-N government decided to launch the operation in Karachi, the IB readily provided details of the affiliates of political parties involved in criminal activities.

According to the official, if political will prevails, Karachi’s situation can be effectively handled “as we have enough actionable intelligence at our disposal, including minute details of militant organisations and their sub-networks”.

“The initial success of the Karachi operation, which soon lost its intensity because of political considerations, is witness to the veracity of IB’s information,” he claimed.

Explaining how the IB had evolved into a functioning agency over the recent years, another official said that after General Parvez Musharraf’s years in power during which the agency played second fiddle to the ISI, the PPP government

earmarked some resources for its operations. The incoming PML-N government continued equipping the IB with required tools.
A former senior official of the IB said that regular military interventions had led to the undoing of the IB, which until 1979 was considered a useful civilian spying entity. The agency fell prey to politicisation during 90s as successive PML-N and PPP governments influenced its operations to suit their interests.

Gen Musharraf deprived the IB of whatever resources it had, thereby making it a toothless agency, said the official.
Former interior secretary Tasneem Noorani (2001-2005) said that for obvious reasons Mr Musharraf had more confidence in the well- equipped ISI than the IB. As a result the latter was sent to the periphery and lost the opportunity of developing into a potent force. But he agreed that of late the IB had started making positive contributions.

In reply to a question, Mr Noorani said the raid on the headquarters of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement showed that the agencies had done adequate homework and were in possession of irrefutable evidence against those arrested.
On the lack of cooperation between the IB and ISI, which had long been considered as a hurdle in the way of effective intelligence operations, a senior police official, who had been posted in Karachi, said: “A healthy competition between the two agencies can yield a win-win situation. I am happy that the two agencies have started increasingly cooperating with each other.”

He said an effective IB could make a positive contribution to the success of the efforts to counter terrorism. “Although, the military-led Rangers are playing a leading role in reining in targeted killers in Karachi, there is no doubt that the IB has played a vital role in recent successes.”
“And this happens all over the world as countries do maintain multiple agencies but their actions end up in protecting their people,” he added.

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, while launching the first internal security policy, duly mentioned “trust deficit between the two agencies”. But on Feb 4 he jubilantly informed the National Assembly about a rare cooperation between the ISI and the IB, which led to the foiling of a deadly suicide plan against people belonging to Shia Hazara community of Quetta.

Published in Dawn, March 16th, 2015
@Zarvan@syedali73 @HRK @Pomegranate @Magnet @Gufi @Irfan Baloch

I will repeat what I am saying for past few years we need to dedicate IB for Anti Terrorism role only we should remodel and form it like FBI with forensic labs super computers along with 8000 strong Commando Force and for first 8 to 10 years it should be given under retired Major General of Pakistan Army who has served in ISI in internal wing of ISI

 

[Sine Nomine]

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I will repeat what I am saying for past few years we need to dedicate IB for Anti Terrorism role only we should remodel and form it like FBI with forensic labs super computers along with 8000 strong Commando Force and for first 8 to 10 years it should be given under retired Major General of Pakistan Army who has served in ISI in internal wing of ISI

Bro intel is very sharp game,unfortunately we have only ISI without any political diversions and scums rest all agencies are filled up with scums,in foreign countries police forms main core of counter espionage but in Pakistan ISI has to do all....

 

[Zarvan]

Bro intel is very sharp game,unfortunately we have only ISI without any political diversions and scums rest all agencies are filled up with scums,in foreign countries police forms main core of counter espionage but in Pakistan ISI has to do all....

That is why I am saying we need to develop more than 40000 SWAT Force 30000 should be deployed in cities and other 10000 should be given to our secret agencies and to reform we need to give them under recently retired Army guys

 

[Gazi]

I will repeat what I am saying for past few years we need to dedicate IB for Anti Terrorism role only we should remodel and form it like FBI with forensic labs super computers along with 8000 strong Commando Force and for first 8 to 10 years it should be given under retired Major General of Pakistan Army who has served in ISI in internal wing of ISI

If they have such Capacity then they should be provided with supported in Establishing Home Land Security like Infrastructure which can do a lot of favor for Pakistan Intelligence Infrastructure and boost our Law Enforcement Capability as well.

 

[WishLivePak]

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I will repeat what I am saying for past few years we need to dedicate IB for Anti Terrorism role only we should remodel and form it like FBI with forensic labs super computers along with 8000 strong Commando Force and for first 8 to 10 years it should be given under retired Major General of Pakistan Army who has served in ISI in internal wing of ISI

I don't think giving it to someone who served ISI will be good as it may be conflict of interest (him trying to promote ISI instead). At the same time, if he is a good person, he may try to bridge difference between the two agencies.

Looking at performance of current ISI chief, I'd say he will be good candidate for it. But his retirement is far.

 

[Zarvan]

I don't think giving it to someone who served ISI will be good as it may be conflict of interest (him trying to promote ISI instead). At the same time, if he is a good person, he may try to bridge difference between the two agencies.

Looking at performance of current ISI chief, I'd say he will be good candidate for it. But his retirement is far.

I am talking about a retired Guy we need that kind of guy who has served in best to reform IB and also on FIA or it can be great Police Officer who is made head of IB

 

[WishLivePak]

I am talking about a retired Guy we need that kind of guy who has served in best to reform IB and also on FIA or it can be great Police Officer who is made head of IB

Current retired men served under Kiyani, who was not the best military man. Kayani was a political man, thus a political retired army man (who served under kiyani) serving civilian IB agency is not the best idea.

We have to wait for people who groomed under Raheal. Until then, employ better technology and whatever improvements that can be brought without the need of a good IB chief. This way, when new IB chief comes, he can look at the structure rather on improvements that may have been resulted without his involvement.

 

[Zarvan]

Current retired men served under Kiyani, who was not the best military man. Kayani was a political man, thus a political retired army man (who served under kiyani) serving civilian IB agency is not the best idea.

We have to wait for people who groomed under Raheal. Until then, employ better technology and whatever improvements that can be brought without the need of a good IB chief. This way, when new IB chief comes, he can look at the structure rather on improvements that may have been resulted without his involvement.

Kiyani was not political man he was one of the best Generals Pakistan has seen as a matter of fact Raheel is proving far more politician than Kiyani your entire assumption is based on pathetic lies and delusions of PML N

 

[WishLivePak]

Kiyani was not political man he was one of the best Generals Pakistan has seen as a matter of fact Raheel is proving far more politician than Kiyani your entire assumption is based on pathetic lies and delusions of PML N

lol what lies and delusions.

Raheal actually launched massive action against good and bad taliban. He is also going after MQM and other parties in Karachi.

Meanwhile Kiyani wouldn't budge, as stories are slowly being disclosed by people close to him. A few operations here or there are not enough.


The reason you're hating on raheal is because he didn't topple PML gov't I suppose. The way I see it, he didn't so army focuses rather on terrorisms than on politics. He had perfect chance of being political by supporting Imran, but he didn't.

 

[Gazi]

Kiyani was not political man he was one of the best Generals Pakistan has seen as a matter of fact Raheel is proving far more politician than Kiyani your entire assumption is based on pathetic lies and delusions of PML N

Kiyani era has proved to be Wasted in Pakistani Military Establishment because if all those Anti Taliban Operation would have conducted in his period including current Karachi Operation Pakistan wouldnt have suffered that heavily today. No matter he was Political or not but he was a Weak General indeed because Army had seen so many Blowups in his era including the OBL existence in Pakistan near PMA as well.

 

[WishLivePak]

Kiyani era has proved to be Wasted in Pakistani Military Establishment because if all those Anti Taliban Operation would have conducted in his period including current Karachi Operation Pakistan wouldnt have suffered that heavily today. No matter he was Political or not but he was a Weak General indeed because Army had seen so many Blowups in his era including the OBL existence in Pakistan near PMA as well.

Including GHQ, Naval and many infltrations.

Meanwhile, Raheal has launched massive operation, yet we have yet to face such major embarrassment (by launching operation against militants, we should expect a more severe response by terrorists. But it is rather far less than during kiyani tenure)

 

[Zarvan]

lol what lies and delusions.

Raheal actually launched massive action against good and bad taliban. He is also going after MQM and other parties in Karachi.

Meanwhile Kiyani wouldn't budge, as stories are slowly being disclosed by people close to him. A few operations here or there are not enough.


The reason you're hating on raheal is because he didn't topple PML gov't I suppose. The way I see it, he didn't so army focuses rather on terrorisms than on politics. He had perfect chance of being political by supporting Imran, but he didn't.

Kiyani was the one who launched operation against Taliban and all areas from SWAT to Bannu to South Wazristan were cleared under his time he massively trained and equipped our Armed Forces he launched Karachi Operation and which idiot told you I hate Raheel I am his big fan and with toppling government he has made your PML N dogs nanga in whole world and now rumors of Martial Law are again going around massively so Mr know facts before talking crap

 

[Saifullah Sani]

Explaining how the IB had evolved into a functioning agency over the recent years, another official said that after General Parvez Musharraf’s years in power during which the agency played second fiddle to the ISI, the PPP government earmarked some resources for its operations. The incoming PML-N government continued equipping the IB with required tools.

 

[Zarvan]

Kiyani era has proved to be Wasted in Pakistani Military Establishment because if all those Anti Taliban Operation would have conducted in his period including current Karachi Operation Pakistan wouldnt have suffered that heavily today. No matter he was Political or not but he was a Weak General indeed because Army had seen so many Blowups in his era including the OBL existence in Pakistan near PMA as well.

@Gazr Your ignorance is quite visible O Mr Kiyani cleared more than 80 % areas from SWAT to South Wazristan to Bannu and keep going he cleared all the areas Mr he equipped and trained Army massively he launched Karachi Operation and when OBL was found even than Raheel was also in Army so it was not Kiyani alone go learn facts before talking