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Indonesia's Presidential Election 2014

At first, i prefer Prabowo (well dahlan or mahmud is my first pick, but both is not a candidate), but after he pick ARB and Said Iqbal, it's clear to me that he want power, whatever the cost to Indonesia. So i will pick Jokowi now.

Also imo as bonus Jusuf Kalla is better than Hatta Rajasa.
 
@Indos l What are his qualifications and any possible implications for Pakistan?
 
@Indos l What are his qualifications and any possible implications for Pakistan?

Joko Widodo is Jakarta current governor, an entrepreneur who has small medium size business. He is clean and has humble personality. He get famous because of those qualities. And from I saw on the first 3 debate, I find him has a potency to be a respected and clever leader in SEA region.

On the other side, Prabowo Subianto is a former Army general and special force commander, his father is a very respected person in Indonesia, a clean economist that has put a good foundation for our economic policies. Prabowo Subianto has become an entrepreneur with huge businesses now, his brother is also one of Indonesian's conglomerates. He has a link to Soeharto family since his former wife (divorced) is Soeharto's daughter. He is clever and quite ambitious. He has a strong nationalistic and socialist ideology in economic sector, just like his father who joined a socialist party before.

Talking about some potential implication in a Pakistan side, so we need to talk about their likelihood policy regarding the Muslim world (in which Pakistan is included here) in relation with Indonesia's interest.

I think both of them understand current geopolitics and Indonesia's position Today. Prabowo Subianto is supported by a group of Islamic parties, and Jokowi has also put Palestine Independence as one of his important foreign policy (one Islamic party also back him). I believe both of them will try to do more in the Muslim world, the area that we are quite lack in term of cooperation before. Our current President realized it already and has started to initiate some military cooperation with Turkey/Saudi/Iran. In my opinion, some cooperation with Pakistan in solving some Muslim world problem or just doing some military cooperation is quite open in the future.

This I will bring a link about this specific matter :

The Regional Implications of Indonesia’s Rise | The Diplomat

"However, the most likely strategic disposition, to use former Vice President Mohammad Hatta’s expression from 1948, remains having a “free and active” Indonesian foreign policy. As opposed to relatively passive non-alignment during the Cold War, Indonesia—on the back of rapid economic growth and growing power—is increasingly likely to see itself as entitled to a prominent role in the region and the world in its own right, and in light of its own interests and potential. Jakarta is therefore likely to seek prosperity and cooperation equally with both the U.S. and China, as opposed to creating any form of dependency on one power in the face of the other. Moreover, Indonesia might be uniquely positioned in trying to arrest any escalation in the region or prevent the entrenchment of a paradigm of strategic rivalry that could harm its own interests and development priorities.

This independent streak is likely to take Indonesian foreign policy beyond the Asia-Pacific. As recent engagement with the Middle East shows, Indonesia increasingly sees itself as an important actor in the Muslim World. In late January, the country signed a defense cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia—Jakarta’s first such agreement with an Arab state—which covered military industry cooperation, counter-terrorism and joint training. In 2012, Indonesia also co-sponsored UN General Assembly Resolution 67/19 on the statehood of Palestine, with foreign minister Marty Natalegawa delivering a strong speech in defense of the Palestinians’ choices and policies regarding Israel. This seems to be a natural extension of a more confident Indonesia more willing to articulate its population’s solidarity with Middle Eastern causes."
 
Joko Widodo is Jakarta current governor, an entrepreneur who has small medium size business. He is clean and has humble personality. He get famous because of those qualities. And from I saw on the first 3 debate, I find him has a potency to be a respected and clever leader in SEA region.

On the other side, Prabowo Subianto is a former Army general and special force commander, his father is a very respected person in Indonesia, a clean economist that has put a good foundation for our economic policies. Prabowo Subianto has become an entrepreneur with huge businesses now, his brother is also one of Indonesian's conglomerates. He has a link to Soeharto family since his former wife (divorced) is Soeharto's daughter. He is clever and quite ambitious. He has a strong nationalistic and socialist ideology in economic sector, just like his father who joined a socialist party before.

Talking about some potential implication in a Pakistan side, so we need to talk about their likelihood policy regarding the Muslim world (in which Pakistan is included here) in relation with Indonesia's interest.

I think both of them understand current geopolitics and Indonesia's position Today. Prabowo Subianto is supported by a group of Islamic parties, and Jokowi has also put Palestine Independence as one of his important foreign policy (one Islamic party also back him). I believe both of them will try to do more in the Muslim world, the area that we are quite lack in term of cooperation before. Our current President realized it already and has started to initiate some military cooperation with Turkey/Saudi/Iran. In my opinion, some cooperation with Pakistan in solving some Muslim world problem or just doing some military cooperation is quite open in the future.

This I will bring a link about this specific matter :

The Regional Implications of Indonesia’s Rise | The Diplomat

"However, the most likely strategic disposition, to use former Vice President Mohammad Hatta’s expression from 1948, remains having a “free and active” Indonesian foreign policy. As opposed to relatively passive non-alignment during the Cold War, Indonesia—on the back of rapid economic growth and growing power—is increasingly likely to see itself as entitled to a prominent role in the region and the world in its own right, and in light of its own interests and potential. Jakarta is therefore likely to seek prosperity and cooperation equally with both the U.S. and China, as opposed to creating any form of dependency on one power in the face of the other. Moreover, Indonesia might be uniquely positioned in trying to arrest any escalation in the region or prevent the entrenchment of a paradigm of strategic rivalry that could harm its own interests and development priorities.

This independent streak is likely to take Indonesian foreign policy beyond the Asia-Pacific. As recent engagement with the Middle East shows, Indonesia increasingly sees itself as an important actor in the Muslim World. In late January, the country signed a defense cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia—Jakarta’s first such agreement with an Arab state—which covered military industry cooperation, counter-terrorism and joint training. In 2012, Indonesia also co-sponsored UN General Assembly Resolution 67/19 on the statehood of Palestine, with foreign minister Marty Natalegawa delivering a strong speech in defense of the Palestinians’ choices and policies regarding Israel. This seems to be a natural extension of a more confident Indonesia more willing to articulate its population’s solidarity with Middle Eastern causes."

Hmm, if we are talking about Pakistan can we refer about Indonesia-India cooperation? At some point Indonesia-India cooperation affects Indonesia-Pakistani relations regarding the complex matter which happened in the South Asia landmass. The current leader is more prefer to enchant the cooperation with India over Pakistani IMHO. Strategic partnership between LAPAN-ISRO and joint military exercise and anti-piracy patrol near Malacca straits prove the strategic partnership between Indonesia and India. In economics terms Indonesia is regarding India much further than Pakistan, and we are upgrading our bilateral relationship with India, with opening of more Indonesian Consulate General in Indian Soil something we not do in Pakistan.

And for the @Aeronaut question which Indonesian next leader will affect much Indonesia and Pakistani relationship in future we can see the point of view from this aspects. Much more both of them Jokowi and Prabowo will continue this opportunistic and pragmatic view of the current government to enchanted the India-Indonesia relationship much further over Pakistani. It is not we choose India over Pakistani, but all of this is about economics terms in which India doing much better and offer much more for Indonesia than the Pakistan. And don't get it wrong, Indonesia too watching with cautiously over India activity in Andaman and Nicobar as it will affect the security of Malacca straits the same cautiously behavior we keep against China activity in South China Sea and we are keeping the options with Pakistan still open regarding this matter as we can see Pakistani can draw the India attention from this regions.
 
Indonesia's rock governor - 101 East - Al Jazeera English

Joko Widodo, known as Jokowi, is a man on a mission. Since he was elected governor of Jakarta in October 2012, he has undertaken a gruelling daily schedule in his efforts to make the city more liveable for its 10 million residents.

The 52-year-old's seemingly bottomless reserves of energy have been put to the test - Jakarta has no shortage of pressing issues - but his efforts are paying dividends. Everywhere Jokowi goes, people swarm around him. His popularity has risen so rapidly that he is tipped to become Indonesia's next president when elections are held in July.

101 East gains exclusive access to follow Jokowi as he tackles Jakarta's most urgent problems. We reveal his unique style of governing, the challenges he faces and the character of the man expected to become the next leader of the world's largest Muslim country. We explore Jokowi's unorthodox approach to tackling Indonesia's endemic corruption and inefficient bureaucracy - factors analysts say have long impeded the country's economic growth.



Jokowi, a former furniture dealer, has developed a reputation as a clean politician in a country where citizens have grown weary of corrupt public officials. Even lazy government workers do not escape his wrath when he makes surprise visits to government offices as part of his war on corruption and bureaucratic inefficiency.

With the mega-city of Jakarta notorious for traffic snarls that stretch for miles, Jokowi is trying to improve infrastructure. He has also been known to jump out of his governor's car and onto the back of a motorbike to beat the gridlock, winning support among frustrated commuters.

A regular visitor to slum areas, Jokowi has introduced free healthcare and education as part of his efforts to reduce poverty. We speak with some of the residents who have benefited from these programmes. We also get to know him off-the-job as he enjoys some down time with his favourite music: heavy metal. He has loved bands like Metallica since he was a young boy and it is still the music he tunes to as he rushes from one appointment to the next.

We trace Jokowi's humble beginnings as the son of a carpenter, visiting his hometown of Surakarta, the city also known as Solo in Central Java. This is where his political career kicked off when he was elected mayor in 2005. He received much acclaim for transforming Surakarta during his term. We meet his mother and friends who knew him as a boy, and they tell us about an ordinary young man, who they never imagined would one day be a presidential candidate.

But despite the frenzy and solid support from the people, critics say Jokowi is untested and out of his league when it comes to leading a nation of 240 million people.

In this episode, 101 East cuts through the hype surrounding Jakarta's popular governor to ask: Does Jokowi have what it takes to become Indonesia's next president?
 
it is so glad to see Indonesian members here talk about presidential election in normal tone, not possessed and went berserk like any other forum/news

BTW hi, i'm new member here, been following pdf for quite a while but only reading though
 
it is so glad to see Indonesian members here talk about presidential election in normal tone, not possessed and went berserk like any other forum/news

BTW hi, i'm new member here, been following pdf for quite a while but only reading though

Welcome.....

How long have you been reading PDF anyway ?
 
Welcome.....

How long have you been reading PDF anyway ?


about two years i guess.. at first was my curiosity about Pakistan, then i found my fellow indonesians in this forum

btw go back to the topic, i will vote earlier than and to be honest, i am a little bit sick and tired of all the rant and rampage about election, i wish it end soonest

as for the two candidates.. after some reading, my basic logic in choosing candidate is "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't" and haven't decided yet who to choose ,i have pretty low expectation to the two candidates looking at who are behind them and backing them, if they can continue what SBY has built for the past decade and act with cool headed and calculated manner (like SBY, which gets a lot of heat and being accused as too slow), its a good coming decade/5 year for indonesia


i want to see indonesian political discussion that trends to the center, we don't need political BS from both the left and right extreme
 
about two years i guess.. at first was my curiosity about Pakistan, then i found my fellow indonesians in this forum

btw go back to the topic, i will vote earlier than and to be honest, i am a little bit sick and tired of all the rant and rampage about election, i wish it end soonest

as for the two candidates.. after some reading, my basic logic in choosing candidate is "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't" and haven't decided yet who to choose ,i have pretty low expectation to the two candidates looking at who are behind them and backing them, if they can continue what SBY has built for the past decade and act with cool headed and calculated manner (like SBY, which gets a lot of heat and being accused as too slow), its a good coming decade/5 year for indonesia


i want to see indonesian political discussion that trends to the center, we don't need political BS from both the left and right extreme

Yes, this is a good forum. PDF Facebook page has 1 million fans, it is quite famous in Pakistan. It has around 60.000 members in this website alone. I don't see any forum website that has impressive look like this one.

Ya, I also hope that next president will bring our country to a much better place, inshaALLAH.
 
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I still not decide whether I'll vote or not... I'm more inclined to Jokowi... but his "Leopard ambles, tdk cocok buat Indonesia" kinda put me off. I know it's probably that is what TBH told him. TBH is an ardent opposition to Leopard acquisition.

btw, welcome @astara :welcome:
 
I still not decide whether I'll vote or not... I'm more inclined to Jokowi... but his "Leopard ambles, tdk cocok buat Indonesia" kinda put me off. I know it's probably that is what TBH told him. TBH is an ardent opposition to Leopard acquisition.

btw, welcome @astara :welcome:

Whos that TBH ...:cuckoo:

Well...we have already bought those Leopards :flame:
 
Whos that TBH ...:cuckoo:

Well...we have already bought those Leopards :flame:

Tubagus Hasanuddin is a former general of the army and member of Komisi I DPR RI from PDIP. He's in Jokowi campaign team.

His ardent opposition to Leopard made him famous at Kask*s.

We may have bought Leopards but 164 is still not enough number IMO. I'm worried about future acquisition.

"Ambles" is a lame excuse. Leopard bukan kendaraan dinas yang dipakai wara-wari pulang pergi dari rumah ke kantor pake jalanan umum tiap hari.. and it's proven there's no such thing as ambles as demonstrated by the first batch Leo.

Even if it does, improving roads to meet Leo standard will bring benefit. We don't have to spend money every year to patch the road. Look at Pantura, billions wasted every year and it's only good for few months.
 
On Foreign Policy, a Hawk and a Dove Square Off for Indonesia’s Presidency

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Jakarta. Sunday’s presidential debate on foreign policy and national defense saw both candidates, Prabowo Subianto and Joko Widodo, take up a nationalist rhetoric.

Both candidates expressed their desire to build Indonesia into a formidable regional powerhouse. As election day draws nearer, both candidates are posturing to win the hearts of the nation in a tight two-horse race.

Two extremes converge

Presidential debates are seen as the public’s way of testing the mettle of potential leaders, says Ikrar Nusa Bhakti, a political expert from the Indonesian Institute of Sciences (LIPI). Candidates are evaluated based on their ability to preserve and guard national interests and unity.

Prabowo took his characteristic strongman approach to foreign policy issues, stressing the importance of national wealth and military might in achieving regional and global respectability.

“If the nation is poor … if we don’t have enough planes, helicopters… we will not have authority as a nation. We will not be respected, we will not be heard. On the contrary, will be mocked,” he said. “We can be diplomatic with words, but in the end, other nations will only see the national strength of Indonesia — the real power of Indonesia.”

His platform also appealed to the welfare of the people, saying that poverty was the root cause of most of Indonesia’s ailments.

“The best defense is the prosperity and welfare of the Indonesian people,” he said.

Joko, popularly known as Jokowi, pledged to build stronger relations between Indonesia and other countries through the three pronged approach of government-to-government ties, business-to-business contacts, and people-to-people exchanges. Military engagement, he said, should be the last resort in dealing with bilateral or multilateral disputes.

Yet even the soft-spoken, small-town star stated the importance of guarding national sovereignty.

“We want Indonesia to become a maritime power in this world. We want to win the seas,” Joko said in his opening remarks. “We want this nation to carry authority. We want this nation to be respected.”

In response to allegations that he is the pliant alternative to the steadfast Prabowo, Joko replied, “Don’t mistake me as not being firm. I am firm.”

Dangerous games

The common understanding is that rhetoric used by politicians is crafted to pull votes and garner support. Nationalist platforms used in campaigning tend to turn moderate in actual implementation. Yet the danger with grand proclamations is that the electorate will inevitably come back to capitalize on them.

“Prabowo is making an effort to build an image of himself as a general to defend Indonesia from external threats,” says Ade Armando, a communications expert at the University of Indonesia. “If you remember [during the debate], he spoke of and even asked about external threats.”

Prabowo’s list of “external threats” included his position on budget “leaks” — with an emphasis on outflows to foreign nations — and his remarks on the infamously mercurial Indonesia-Australia bilateral relationship. He maintained that any problems were not of Indonesia’s doing.

“I think the issue is that perhaps Australia has a suspicion or phobia toward us,” he said.

Ade said Prabowo was “intentionally making Indonesians assume that there exist external threats, for which the country requires a strong leader.”

Among those flocking to Prabowo’s support are conservative Islamic groups.

“It’s dangerous because… the rise in Prabowo voters has been built by nationalistic jargon, even xenophobia,” Ade says. “I believe that he must exploit it to pull interest and attract people. I believe that in practice, he might be moderate, but at the same time, the spirit remains the same.”

The danger, he warned, was if his hard-line supporters demanded he make good on his more extreme nationalist policies.

“There are two ways of viewing the world in international relations,” Ikrar says. “Realists are those who see it this way: for us to achieve world stability, we need strong military strength. On the other hand, [those] who view it from a constructivist point of view see the world as not being like that: The world does not need conflict… we can resolve things through co-operation.”

The two candidates could be seen as representing the two different camps, with one emphasizing power and the other emphasizing diplomacy.

Ikrar says realism in international relations stresses the importance of the balance of power as well as the pursuit of state self-interest in determining the course of international relations. Any shift in power, be it through wealth or through military buildup, will usually generate tension.

Ikrar points out this inconsistency in Prabowo’s approach to foreign policy, saying his emphasis on President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s “Good Neighbor” policy does not align with his military plans.

“On one hand, he always mentions good neighborly relations… But then he says we want to expand our military capabilities,” Ikrar says. “He tried to use the terms used by SBY — ‘One enemy is too many, a thousand friends are too few.”

On Joko’s performance, Ade recommends that he continue to cultivate his image as a man of the people, but also strive to recapture the conservative Islamic portion of the electorate that may have swung toward Prabowo.

Although Indonesia’s Muslims are by and large moderate in nature, religion still plays a sizable role in politics, and Joko’s move to declare his support for Palestinian statehood and full recognition by the United Nations served the purpose of “showing his Muslim-ness,” Ade says.

Performance politics

The debate on foreign policy and national defense marked the first time such an issue was ever selected for its own round of discussion, Ikrar points out. Many expected Prabowo to have the upper hand, given his military background and youth spent growing up overseas.

Businessman-turned-politician Joko, on the other hand, had the double disadvantage of being a civilian and lacking in foreign policy experience.

But the consensus after the debate seems to be that Joko managed to buck expectations, giving detailed answers on diplomatic strategies and talking about cyber warfare and drones. A poll on BeritaSatu.com, with which the Jakarta Globe is affiliated, showed that 64 percent of 841 respondents picked Joko as the winner of Sunday’s debate.

“Jokowi wasn’t any less smart when talking about defense issues, and Prabowo didn’t deliver what had been expected,” says Burhanuddin Muhtadi, the executive director of pollster Indonesian Political Indicator.

But issues of substance aside, Prabowo seemed to outshine Joko with his more fiery delivery and impassioned rhetoric once again.

“Eye contact with his opponent or the audience signaled that he [Prabowo] was confident,” political communication expert Fathurrahman Sidiq said as quoted by Suara Pembaruan.

“Jokowi’s line of sight when he looked to the left was a sign he was trying to remember something. I’m sure he had already built up his arguments beforehand. The ideas were not originally from him,” Fathurrahman said.

Joko was observed to be constantly looking down at his notes and taking on a serious demeanor, whereas Prabowo was fierce and more spontaneous in his delivery and diction.

The scene was reminiscent of the second presidential debate that took place two weeks ago, when the two met to discuss the economy.

“Joko’s target on the economy proved Prabowo’s incompetence, but the problem is, do people who watch the debate understand this?” says Yuventius Nicky Nurman, a political analyst from Yosef Ardi Corporation. “If the benchmark is the volume and tone of the voice, people who don’t really understand the substance could easily conclude that Prabowo was the winner of the debate.”

On Foreign Policy, a Hawk and a Dove Square Off for Indonesia's Presidency | The Jakarta Globe
 
In Indonesia politic it's a bit useless to make a comparison chart on policy based on politician promise. We took flip flop for granted, for example, i remember several month ago Prabowo said that he will nationalize foreign asset , later on he said to foreign investor that their asset will be saved, lately he said that nationalization is silly while Jokowi also easily broke his promise to Jakarta.

Imo the best way to see what kind of politician he is by watching who he pick in coalition or as spoke person, minister and running mate.
 
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