Indo-Russia 5th Fen Fighter Jet will be completely new, not linked to Sukhoi T-50

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

Russia has said that the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) program that is being planned with India would be a 'completely new aircraft' and is not linked to Moscow's own new generation fighter, the Sukhoi T 50. In a detailed discussion, Russia's largest state holding company in the defence sector, Rostec has said that it is worrying that faster progress has not been made by the Indian side to finalise the project.

"We have raised the matter at the highest level and had discussions at Aero India as well. What is worrying is that we are not yet taking the program ahead," Viktor N Kladov, Direct, International Cooperation, Rostec said, adding that he was hopeful that progress will be made this year to sign on the dotted line.

There has been little progress on the FGFA project since 2010, when then defence minister AK Antony had announced that all issues have been resolved and the air force said that it expects deliveries to start in 2017. However, India and Russia have not yet signed an agreement to take the project forward, with the air force constituting a new three member committee to reevaluate the project.

Russia is keen to differentiate the Indian project with its ongoing T 50 fighter jet program. "The Indian FGFA is not a copy cat of the T 50, it will be a new aircraft that will also have some technologies from the T 50. If India had wanted the T 50, we would not be working on a new aircraft (FGFA) program," Kladov said.

Answering a query by ET on whether the Russian side would be willing to work on integrating a western engine to the fifth generation aircraft (Russia has been facing delays due to this), the executive said that such an approach would not be practical due to the history of sanctions by western powers.

"Even in our plans to develop a new commercial aircraft to take on Boeing and Airbus, we are insisting on our own engine due to the past sanctions. In a military project these concerns are even more," Kladov said.



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[Baloch Pakistani]

So that means india can go for F35 in future bcz FGFA is not going to complete in near future.

 

[kempe]

T-50 pak-fa is Fifth-gen vaporware... No engine, no AESA, dubious stealth only Airframes exist and can't carry weapons.
The 52-plane initial order was recently reduced to 12 test planes (through 2020), which is a big red flag, such low volumes cannot justify a new stealth fighter.

 

[wiseone2]

T-50 pak-fa is Fifth-gen vaporware... No engine, no AESA, dubious stealth only Airframes exist and can't carry weapons.
The 52-plane initial order was recently reduced to 12 test planes (through 2020), which is a big red flag, such low volumes cannot justify a new stealth fighter.

Russia ability to build a 5th generation aircraft is questionable

 

[Śakra]

Back out of this before it's too late. Russian engines are worse than Kaveri. The jet will be in Moscow and you can hear it in Mumbai. Enemies will be able to detect the falling nuts and bolts easily.

 

[帅的一匹]

@vostok @ptldM3 how you gonna defend the critics from our Indian friend? Seems they had lost interests in T50.

 

[AnGrz_Z_K_Jailer]

@vostok @ptldM3 how you gonna defend the critics from our Indian friend? Seems they had lost interests in T50.

^^^^

Are these opinions stated above is the official stand of GOI? NO, They're entitled to have the their opinions and free to express as they live in free country. Hope you understand the difference.

Regards,
Jailer

 

[ptldM3]

T-50 pak-fa is Fifth-gen vaporware... No engine, no AESA, dubious stealth only Airframes exist and can't carry weapons.
The 52-plane initial order was recently reduced to 12 test planes (through 2020), which is a big red flag, such low volumes cannot justify a new stealth fighter.

You don't know what you are talking about. An AESA has been around for years before it was even first installed on the T-50-3 prototype which itself has flown years ago.

The second stage engine has also been in development, and in the mean time it will use the 117s. It's no secret that the second stage won't come around until around 2020.

As for your claim that the T-50 can't carry weapons. The very first prototype and every other prototype afterwards had weapons bays.

The initial 12 aircraft are just the first batch for the Air Force to test. There is no need to order a large batch to only find out that there may be 'bugs'.

 

[NakedLunch]

@vostok @ptldM3 how you gonna defend the critics from our Indian friend? Seems they had lost interests in T50.

They have lost interest because they want Western now. Just watch how suddenly everything Russian will be of poor quality and America is the best. Indians two faced. Russians will eventually grow to hate them too.

 

[帅的一匹]

They have lost interest because they want Western now. Just watch how suddenly everything Russian will be of poor quality and America is the best. Indians two faced. Russians will eventually grow to hate them too.

Russian weapon still play a important role in India arsenal, they can't get rid off Rusky as of now.

You don't know what you are talking about. An AESA has been around for years before it was even first installed on the T-50-3 prototype which itself has flown years ago.

The second stage engine has also been in development, and in the mean time it will use the 117s. It's no secret that the second stage won't come around until around 2020.

As for your claim that the T-50 can't carry weapons. The very first prototype and every other prototype afterwards had weapons bays.

The initial 12 aircraft are just the first batch for the Air Force to test. There is no need to order a large batch to only find out that there may be 'bugs'.

why the weapon bay never open? i didn't see any single picture showed the weapon bay open. How you explain it?

To be honest, T50 seems still live off the past gain of Su27 series. I think mainly due to the brain drain and the fund shortage.

It is not just Indian perspective, It is Chinese as well.

 

[Jugger]

Russia and India cannot afford to close down the T-50 program, too much money has already been invested.
Surely it will take time, I predict we will be able to see the fighter by 2025.

 

[帅的一匹]

Russia and India cannot afford to close down the T-50 program, too much money has already been invested.
Surely it will take time, I predict we will be able to see the fighter by 2025.

If you can invest these money on AMCA in the first begining, it will lead to a much promising outcome.

 

[Majet Raha]

They have lost interest because they want Western now. Just watch how suddenly everything Russian will be of poor quality and America is the best. Indians two faced. Russians will eventually grow to hate them too.

look who is talking? after going to Russia for years, these people got nothing in return from Russians ... hahahaha.

but you highlight a very important point, you clearly accept that we have better relationship with both USA and Russia, who can give us the best technology if we agree.

Any chini guy here, give these people some more crap and they will be happy.

 

[帅的一匹]

look who is talking? after going to Russia for years, these people got nothing in return from Russians ... hahahaha.

but you highlight a very important point, you clearly accept that we have better relationship with both USA and Russia, who can give us the best technology if we agree.

Any chini guy here, give these people some more crap and they will be happy.

We want anything except crap.

 

[Jugger]

If you can invest these money on AMCA in the first begining, it will lead to a much promising outcome.

No my friend, we can't do everything on our own, even if we did it won't be the best in the world. Russians have been making fighters for the past 90 years, so they surely know more than us. It's better to cooperate and get the best out of each other.
The end product will be far more capable than a fully indigenous product.