India’s Rafale fighter jets have no chance against China’s J-20: experts

[nahtanbob]

The lesser foes you speak of are terrorist groups in Syria and Afghanistan. This is basically a training exercise for something like the B-2 or F-22 ... it is not a validation of their combat capability. The only war that somewhat comes close is the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia, where I'm sure you can remember a thought to be undetectable F-117 was shot down by a unsophisticated Soviet S2A missile. The only two Chinese 4th gen fighters that have been available for export are the J-10 and the FC-1/JF-17. The former while advertised I don't think was ever pushed for export as much as the latter. Beyond a few placards, I don't think the Chinese aggressively tried to push the J-10, unlike the JF-17.

Regarding the Su-35, the reason why the Chinese bought them was simple ... for their TVC system (specifically its integration with FCS), to evaluate against the state of the art Russian technology (create an OpFor force), and to serve as a stop gap measure before the J-20. I am sure back door politics also played a role, since the purchase happened within a couple months of the S-400. If anything, we already know from Chinese sources that while the Su-35 is currently the most maneuverable aircraft in the PLAAF, its BVR capabilities far quite short of those of the J-10C and J-16.

Your point on air wars in Syria and Afghanistan are noted. The B-2 delivered strikes on Saddam's Iraq (for what it is worth).

F-117 was a 1st generation stealth aircraft. Was the F-117 ever evaluated by anyone outside USAF or USA ? Nope. The F-35 has been acquired by dozen modern air forces.

The Chinese purchase of 24 Su-35s is to reverse engineer technology. Pure and simple. On the Su-35 what makes you think Russians are going to sell state of the art BVR capability to China ? They put inferior BVR weaponry and radars on the Su-35 to China

Have the Chinese any success with JF-17 ? Not really - Nigeria and Myanmar are hardily professional air forces. The sale to the PAF is with Russian engines. The PAF has a limited budget.

You are claiming China's ability to make 5th generation fighters when there is no evidence they can make a complete 4th generation system for export and sell it

 

[nahtanbob]

The only claim is that the J-20 is in the same class of 5th generation stealth fighters as the F-22, F-35, or Su-57. If the Pentagon accepts this claim, then I do too.

For starters the Su-57 is not in same class as F-22 or F-35. India ditched the project even though they have no other option

 

[pothead]

There really is only one truly 5th Gen on this earth,
thats F22

Rafale, F35 are below it.

J20 is no where near it.
Any country that does not have reliable Engine tech is not having capability to build even a 4.5...

 

[atan651]

let the 2 planes fight it out to determine superiority.

 

[Feng Leng]

When the time comes for J-20 to spill blood, then we will spill blood. Until then our enemies can keep guessing and masturbating.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

When the time comes for J-20 to spill blood, then we will spill blood. Until then our enemies can keep guessing and masturbating.

It's more likely you will end up getting slaughtered as you have been throughout history. 20-30 million killed by 10-20,000 mongols on horseback, another 20 million killed by the Japanese in a few months in WW2 and finally if that wasn't enough, 50 million killed by your genius of a chairman during great leap forward. Chinese are good at getting killed, not at killing.

 

[Feng Leng]

It's more likely you will end up getting slaughtered as you have been throughout history. 20-30 million killed by 10-20,000 mongols on horseback, another 20 million killed by the Japanese in a few months in WW2 and finally if that wasn't enough, 50 million killed by your genius of a chairman during great leap forward. Chinese are good at getting killed, not at killing.

There is no other civilization that was beaten more times than Indian civilization

First Aryans invade India and bring Indo-european speech

then Achaemenid Persians occupy northern India

then Alexander the Great occupies northern India

then Greco-Bactrian kingdom from Afghanistan invades India

then Kushan Empire from Central Asia invades India

then Arabs invade northern India

then Mahmud Ghaznavi from Afghanistan makes multiple invasions of India

then Ghurids from Afghanistan invade India and found Delhi Sultanate

then Tamerlane from Central Asia invades India

then Babur from Central Asia invades India and founds Mughal empire

then Nadir Shah of Persia invades India

then British turn it into a colony


Conclusion is that entire history of India is a history of how it was beaten by others.

 

[Figaro]

There is no other civilization that was beaten more times than Indian civilization

First Aryans invade India and bring Indo-european speech

then Achaemenid Persians occupy northern India

then Alexander the Great occupies northern India

then Greco-Bactrian kingdom from Afghanistan invades India

then Kushan Empire from Central Asia invades India

then Arabs invade northern India

then Mahmud Ghaznavi from Afghanistan makes multiple invasions of India

then Ghurids from Afghanistan invade India and found Delhi Sultanate

then Tamerlane from Central Asia invades India

then Babur from Central Asia invades India and founds Mughal empire

then Nadir Shah of Persia invades India

then British turn it into a colony


Conclusion is that entire history of India is a history of how it was beaten by others.

Indian soldiers cannot fight. It is extremely obvious. Otherwise they would not have surrendered en masse in 1962, giving up extremely formidable defensible positions without a fight. On June 15, the Indians soldiers ran away after their Colonel was hit by a rock and in the process, suffered 20 to 50 to dead. Basically the Indians are the opposite of the Japanese. Fight to the last man? More like flee and surrender to the last man .

Nope, the number of Chinese slaughtered throughout history make these invasions look like school fights . How did 20,000 Mongols slaughter 30 million of you? You guys are easily the weakest race on the planet.

Yup. The weakest race on the planet just murdered 20 to 50 of your own without sustaining a single death and captured 60+.

 

[Figaro]

Yea, just because they didn't release their numbers they didn't suffer a single death . It's better not to talk about surrenders, your country did the single biggest surrender after ww2. Like 93k soldiers, that's literally the size of the army of most countries.

93k soldiers surrendered where? Are you talking about India? The only surrender I see is Modi, who just let the Chinese take several hundred square kilometers of Indian territory. Pakistan might as well go do the same.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

93k soldiers surrendered where? Are you talking about India? The only surrender I see is Modi, who just let the Chinese take several hundred square kilometers of Indian territory. Pakistan might as well go do the same.

Pangong fingers area is 60sq km not hundreds. Pakistan already surrendered Shaksgam valley to China without a fight, so it's not might as well, they have already done it

 

[pothead]

There is no other civilization that was beaten more times than Indian civilization

First Aryans invade India and bring Indo-european speech

then Achaemenid Persians occupy northern India

then Alexander the Great occupies northern India

then Greco-Bactrian kingdom from Afghanistan invades India

then Kushan Empire from Central Asia invades India

then Arabs invade northern India

then Mahmud Ghaznavi from Afghanistan makes multiple invasions of India

then Ghurids from Afghanistan invade India and found Delhi Sultanate

then Tamerlane from Central Asia invades India

then Babur from Central Asia invades India and founds Mughal empire

then Nadir Shah of Persia invades India

then British turn it into a colony


Conclusion is that entire history of India is a history of how it was beaten by others.

Not one Chinese soldier ever entered Delhi,
Indian soldiers occupied Forbidden palace.

 

[Feng Leng]

Not one Chinese soldier ever entered Delhi,
Indian soldiers occupied Forbidden palace.

LOL Indians are proud of being British slaves and army cannon fodder

 

[pothead]

LOL Indians are proud of being British slaves and army cannon fodder

And what were you to the british?
they fed you opium and made you lick their boots.

 

[Safriz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288857597018288129

 

[LeGenD]

J20 is not a stealth Aircraft.

our MKI are more than capable of handling these smoke crafts.
There is a reason why China desperately sucks upto Russia for arms.

You guys ever learn?

Continue to think like that and the enemy will surprise you again, and then again.