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From the Newspaper | Munir Akram | 11 hours ago THE speech made by the chairman of India’s National Security Advisory Board and former foreign secretary, Shyam Saran, at India’s Subu Centre on April 24 should be required reading for those Pakistanis who believe that relations with India can be “normalised” through trade and people-to-people exchanges even if security issues remain unresolved. Shyam Saran — a friend and respected adversary — has been
consistent and candid in his view that Indo-Pakistan relations will
remain adversarial for the foreseeable future and the realistic aim
should be to construct ways to manage their rivalry. The Subu speech was designed to refute foreign and Indian critics
who have asserted that India’s nuclear programme is driven by
prestige and its quest for great power status whereas Pakistan’s
programme has strategic clarity — deterrence against India — and
has been better managed. Some of the events cited by Saran, in fact, confirm, rather than
refute, the critics. Thus, prime minister Nehru did say when
inaugurating India’s civilian programme that its nuclear capability
could be also used for India’s “protection”. But this was in the early
1950s, when India faced no threat from Pakistan, China or
elsewhere. Mr Nehru’s assertion was inspired by pride rather than strategic requirement. Likewise, India’s 1974 “peaceful nuclear explosion” was not in
response to China’s 1964 explosion and the American deployment
of the Enterprise in the Bay of Bengal during the Bangladesh war. If
it was indeed such a response, the explosion shouldn’t have been
described as “peaceful”. If anyone should have felt the compulsion
to acquire nuclear deterrence at the time, it was Pakistan which had been recently dismembered by India’s military aggression. Similarly, in 1998, India justified its nuclear explosions by asserting
that it was threatened by China, despite significant improvement in
Sino-Indian relations preceding the explosions. In fact, the Bharatiya
Janata Party had declared it would conduct the explosions if elected.
The timing of the tests, as Saran admits, was dictated by the
impending adoption of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty which India had so far championed. Such hypocrisy has been the hallmark of India’s nuclear narrative.
The plutonium for its 1974 and 1998 tests was diverted from its
“civilian” nuclear facilities. After 1974 India continued to claim its
explosion was “peaceful” and advocated global nuclear
disarmament, even as it rejected initiatives to denuclearise South
Asia and developed nuclear weapons and missile capabilities. Saran has argued that Pakistan’s programme was helped by China.
In fact, India has been the principal beneficiary of external
assistance. Its plutonium came from the reactor provided by Canada
without IAEA safeguards and uranium supplied by the US and
France; its early missiles utilised the US Apache and other missile
technologies; its current missiles are based on prototypes and technologies acquired from Russia and the US (ostensibly for its
space programme). After its 1998 nuclear tests, India’s nuclear doctrine was hastily put
together, in a ‘draft’ form. It mimicked the US-Soviet doctrines of
seeking a ‘triad’ of land, air and sea nuclear deployments. Such a vast programme was not needed for Pakistan-India
deterrence. The demonstration of their respective nuclear
capabilities was sufficient for the purpose. Indeed, in a 2001 joint
communiqué, Pakistan and India declared that a stable deterrence
existed between them. However, India rejected Pakistan’s call for a “strategic restraint
regime” in South Asia. It proceeded, even if in a haphazard manner,
to develop and deploy its nuclear ‘triad’. As in the past, Pakistan is
being compelled to respond and preserve stable deterrence. India has been enabled by the US and others to pursue its nuclear
ambitions in the belief that India’s capabilities can serve to ‘contain’
an increasingly powerful China. They will rue this strategic
miscalculation at some future date. India’s capabilities are unlikely to overly trouble China for the
foreseeable future. India will pursue its own priorities, principal
among which is to neutralise Pakistan’s military and political power
and influence in the region. Shyam Saran’s speech sought to build the case for the continued
discrimination and greater restrictions against Pakistan in the
nuclear and missile arenas. To this end, he repeated the familiar
allegations about Pakistan’s “proliferation” and the fantasy of a
terrorist takeover of its nuclear weapons. India’s non-proliferation record is not unblemished. Its chemical
weapons assistance to Saddam’s Iraq and others is an open secret.
And, as some analysts have pointed out, Pakistan’s strategic assets
are more tightly controlled by the military, as in other nuclear
weapon states, than India’s ‘civilian’, in reality bureaucratic, control. While India’s capabilities hardly serve as credible deterrence against
China, they do pose a serious threat to Pakistan. Declarations of non
first-use of nuclear weapons are convenient for a larger
conventional power and are never credible. Nato rejected such
assurances from the Soviet Union. What counts is capabilities not
intentions. The danger is that India may believe that its nuclear triad, together
with the acquisition of anti-ballistic missile systems and advanced
conventional weapons, will enable it to pursue a conventional war
against Pakistan. The Cold Start strategy has not been disavowed.
This danger is magnified by the endorsement of India’s ambitions
by the US and its allies. There is no assurance that a ‘limited’ war is possible between
nuclear-armed states. Rapid escalation is likely. There is no
assurance that while Kashmir and other Pakistan-India disputes
fester, there will be no war in the future. It is thus in the vital interest of both countries, and their people, to
construct a regime for mutual strategic restraint, nuclear and
conventional, and to resolve their outstanding disputes, first and
foremost, Kashmir. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who authorised Pakistan’s nuclear tests
after India’s in 1998, and negotiated the Lahore Declaration, will be
required to address India’s nuclear threat again in his third term in
office. The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN. Copyright © DAWN.COM 2013 View Regular Theme SUNDAY 26TH MAY 2013 Print Email
 
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From the Newspaper | Munir Akram | 11 hours ago THE speech made by the chairman of India’s National Security Advisory Board and former foreign secretary, Shyam Saran, at India’s Subu Centre on April 24 should be required reading for those Pakistanis who believe that relations with India can be “normalised” through trade and people-to-people exchanges even if security issues remain unresolved. Shyam Saran — a friend and respected adversary — has been
consistent and candid in his view that Indo-Pakistan relations will
remain adversarial for the foreseeable future and the realistic aim
should be to construct ways to manage their rivalry. The Subu speech was designed to refute foreign and Indian critics
who have asserted that India’s nuclear programme is driven by
prestige and its quest for great power status whereas Pakistan’s
programme has strategic clarity — deterrence against India — and
has been better managed. Some of the events cited by Saran, in fact, confirm, rather than
refute, the critics. Thus, prime minister Nehru did say when
inaugurating India’s civilian programme that its nuclear capability
could be also used for India’s “protection”. But this was in the early
1950s, when India faced no threat from Pakistan, China or
elsewhere. Mr Nehru’s assertion was inspired by pride rather than strategic requirement. Likewise, India’s 1974 “peaceful nuclear explosion” was not in
response to China’s 1964 explosion and the American deployment
of the Enterprise in the Bay of Bengal during the Bangladesh war. If
it was indeed such a response, the explosion shouldn’t have been
described as “peaceful”. If anyone should have felt the compulsion
to acquire nuclear deterrence at the time, it was Pakistan which had been recently dismembered by India’s military aggression. Similarly, in 1998, India justified its nuclear explosions by asserting
that it was threatened by China, despite significant improvement in
Sino-Indian relations preceding the explosions. In fact, the Bharatiya
Janata Party had declared it would conduct the explosions if elected.
The timing of the tests, as Saran admits, was dictated by the
impending adoption of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty which India had so far championed. Such hypocrisy has been the hallmark of India’s nuclear narrative.
The plutonium for its 1974 and 1998 tests was diverted from its
“civilian” nuclear facilities. After 1974 India continued to claim its
explosion was “peaceful” and advocated global nuclear
disarmament, even as it rejected initiatives to denuclearise South
Asia and developed nuclear weapons and missile capabilities. Saran has argued that Pakistan’s programme was helped by China.
In fact, India has been the principal beneficiary of external
assistance. Its plutonium came from the reactor provided by Canada
without IAEA safeguards and uranium supplied by the US and
France; its early missiles utilised the US Apache and other missile
technologies; its current missiles are based on prototypes and technologies acquired from Russia and the US (ostensibly for its
space programme). After its 1998 nuclear tests, India’s nuclear doctrine was hastily put
together, in a ‘draft’ form. It mimicked the US-Soviet doctrines of
seeking a ‘triad’ of land, air and sea nuclear deployments. Such a vast programme was not needed for Pakistan-India
deterrence. The demonstration of their respective nuclear
capabilities was sufficient for the purpose. Indeed, in a 2001 joint
communiqué, Pakistan and India declared that a stable deterrence
existed between them. However, India rejected Pakistan’s call for a “strategic restraint
regime” in South Asia. It proceeded, even if in a haphazard manner,
to develop and deploy its nuclear ‘triad’. As in the past, Pakistan is
being compelled to respond and preserve stable deterrence. India has been enabled by the US and others to pursue its nuclear
ambitions in the belief that India’s capabilities can serve to ‘contain’
an increasingly powerful China. They will rue this strategic
miscalculation at some future date. India’s capabilities are unlikely to overly trouble China for the
foreseeable future. India will pursue its own priorities, principal
among which is to neutralise Pakistan’s military and political power
and influence in the region. Shyam Saran’s speech sought to build the case for the continued
discrimination and greater restrictions against Pakistan in the
nuclear and missile arenas. To this end, he repeated the familiar
allegations about Pakistan’s “proliferation” and the fantasy of a
terrorist takeover of its nuclear weapons. India’s non-proliferation record is not unblemished. Its chemical
weapons assistance to Saddam’s Iraq and others is an open secret.
And, as some analysts have pointed out, Pakistan’s strategic assets
are more tightly controlled by the military, as in other nuclear
weapon states, than India’s ‘civilian’, in reality bureaucratic, control. While India’s capabilities hardly serve as credible deterrence against
China, they do pose a serious threat to Pakistan. Declarations of non
first-use of nuclear weapons are convenient for a larger
conventional power and are never credible. Nato rejected such
assurances from the Soviet Union. What counts is capabilities not
intentions. The danger is that India may believe that its nuclear triad, together
with the acquisition of anti-ballistic missile systems and advanced
conventional weapons, will enable it to pursue a conventional war
against Pakistan. The Cold Start strategy has not been disavowed.
This danger is magnified by the endorsement of India’s ambitions
by the US and its allies. There is no assurance that a ‘limited’ war is possible between
nuclear-armed states. Rapid escalation is likely. There is no
assurance that while Kashmir and other Pakistan-India disputes
fester, there will be no war in the future. It is thus in the vital interest of both countries, and their people, to
construct a regime for mutual strategic restraint, nuclear and
conventional, and to resolve their outstanding disputes, first and
foremost, Kashmir. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who authorised Pakistan’s nuclear tests
after India’s in 1998, and negotiated the Lahore Declaration, will be
required to address India’s nuclear threat again in his third term in
office. The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN. Copyright © DAWN.COM 2013 View Regular Theme SUNDAY 26TH MAY 2013 Print Email

So a 5500 Km ballistic missile doesn't serve as a deterrent against China? Cool, I guess we need a SLBM with 6000Km range and MIRVs, no issues..another 5 years is all it will take.

U.S. been giving us missile tech..bad yanks..ek haath se technology di missiles ki aur dusre haath se 10 saal ke liye fighter aircraft LRUs aur engine dene se mana kar diya. Such inconsistency must arise from yanky madness.

Oh wait this is Munir Akram's work..Zafar Hilali ka judwa.

An entertaining read.. specially the whole Pakistan being compelled due to its dismemberment at the hands of India bit...real nice read.
 
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The same old story from Pakistan diplomats:

Pakistan good....India bad

Solve Kashmir...or else face a nuke war(Is it blackmailing ?)

India no match for China's defence capabilities, hence everything India procures is for Pakistan only :lol:

US and International community is on Indian side...International community is wrong and Pakistan is right, so stop supporting India and support Pakistan :omghaha:
 
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Nothing new - same old story of projecting India's nuclear deterrence as a threat to Pakistan. The author conveniently forgot that between India and Pakistan, India is the only country which has "No First Use" Nuclear policy.
 
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The same old story from Pakistan diplomats:

Pakistan good....India bad

Solve Kashmir...or else face a nuke war(Is it blackmailing ?)

India no match for China's defence capabilities, hence everything India procures is for Pakistan only :lol:

US and International community is on Indian side...International community is wrong and Pakistan is right, so stop supporting India and support Pakistan :omghaha:

Don't you know that all of this is the culmination of a thousand year old Hindu-Zionist-Crusader conspiracy? :omghaha:

We foresaw the rise of the affluent and mighty nation of Pakistan and its army of mard-e-momins who would defend its land to the last man without ever surrendering and thus set out on a path to sabotage it a good 1000 years before it came into being.
 
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So a 5500 Km ballistic missile doesn't serve as a deterrent against China? Cool, I guess we need a SLBM with 6000Km range and MIRVs, no issues..another 5 years is all it will take.

U.S. been giving us missile tech..bad yanks..ek haath se technology di missiles ki aur dusre haath se 10 saal ke liye fighter aircraft LRUs aur engine dene se mana kar diya. Such inconsistency must arise from yanky madness.

Oh wait this is Munir Akram's work..Zafar Hilali ka judwa.

An entertaining read.. specially the whole Pakistan being compelled due to its dismemberment at the hands of India bit...real nice read.

Agni5 ne en becharo ki neend uda kar rakh dee hai...

Pata nahi A6 and K4 ke bad kya hoga..

BTW a nice entertaining post :lol::lol:
 
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@Safriz Trolling aside..you really think we built the nukes for Pakistan?

Yaara it was and always will remain China..its the only nation in the whole continent that can threaten our security..its terrain in Xizang has blessed it with the ability to build massive infra, station large number of troops while our territory begins with the mountains and terrain who's tyranny render all such efforts exceedingly difficult.

Besides in case you haven't noticed we've already graduated to submarine launched BMs/DTBMs, you think those are aimed at Pakistan too?:what:
 
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Nothing new - same old story of projecting India's nuclear deterrence as a threat to Pakistan. The author conveniently forgot that between India and Pakistan, India is the only country which has "No First Use" Nuclear policy.

Selective amnesia on the part of Pakistan. Their weird logic

Declarations of non first-use of nuclear weapons are convenient for a larger conventional power and are never credible

Why doesn't the same logic apply between India and China, after all India is smaller conventional power as compared to China, but India do have the same 'no first use' of nukes against China too :lol:
 
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Wahi ghisi piti purani script, maja nahi aaya yaar.

We were expecting Kuch naya from naya Pakistan.
 
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why is it dangerous??and pakistan's deterrence is peaceful??:what:
 
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Few Gems from the article.
its early missiles utilised the US Apache and other missile
technologies; its current missiles are based on prototypes and technologies acquired from Russia and the US (ostensibly for its
space programme)
:omghaha: Never knew that earlier indian missile were copy of USA missile.Author must be highlighting about nodong-1.

India has been enabled by the US and others to pursue its nuclear
ambitions in the belief that India’s capabilities can serve to ‘contain’
an increasingly powerful China
India's nuclear doctrine is only for self-defence.Nuclear triad is must for country who has NFU policy.


India’s capabilities are unlikely to overly trouble China for the
foreseeable future. India will pursue its own priorities, principal
among which is to neutralise Pakistan’s military and political power
and influence in the region.
So according to author 5500KM A-5 is for pakistan.Dear author we don't need A-5 , A-2,3 are more than enough for pakistan.
we need a SLBM with 6000Km range and MIRV and it'll take another 5 years.

India’s non-proliferation record is not unblemished. Its chemical
weapons assistance to Saddam’s Iraq and others is an open secret.
No nations dares to challenge our non-proliferation policy ,whereas it's alleged that pakistan who sold centrifuge and technology to NK and Iran.
here is no
assurance that while Kashmir and other Pakistan-India disputes
fester, there will be no war in the future.
Kashmir ke lye ada mulk gawa diya phir be abhi tak akal dikana nahi aye.
 
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Indian nuke deterrence doctrine is now obsolete.We should cancel no first use and arm SRBMs with tactical nukes to discourage any massive chinese invasion.Since china has omitted no first use in its last white paper i think.
 
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What was the author's basic point ? I failed to understand ?

his basic point was india bad pakisan good........whole international community is fuking retard nd only their nationals know the truth!!:lol:
hail the author!!
 
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