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[Han Patriot]

In 2008 with a GDP of $3 trillion and population of 1.3 billion, China was as poor as India in 2020.. so unless you are 12 years or younger, you have seen all the same level of poverty...

By the way with a HDI ranking of 85, there are another 84 countries where its citizens are doing better than average Chinese currently. Infact with a per capita GDP of $10000, China is still $4000 short of US benchmark of poverty ($14000 per capita or below).

Just to give you a prospective of where you are..

By the way thanks for your concern about Indian citizens

China back in even 2000 was not as shitty as India now. Starvation was not rampant, poor yes but not starving liike Indians.

 

[TaiShang]

I think India has mistaken its priorities. In many aspects, it is creating unnecessary problems by playing to populism. It helps the rich elite, but, the poor suffer.

India seems to be at a dead-end.

 

[GS Zhou]

In 2008 with a GDP of $3 trillion and population of 1.3 billion, China was as poor as India in 2020.. so unless you are 12 years or younger, you have seen all the same level of poverty...

OMG, you really don't know how desperate/horrible the poverty condition in India today.

Take a look at Global Hunger Index (GHI). China's 2006 score was 9.5, or low hunger situation, according to the GHI index system;

India's Hunger Index today is 27.2, or serious hunger situation, according to the GHI rating system. That's just slightly better than North Korea (27.5), but worse than many African countries.

China

In the 2023 Global Hunger Index, China is one of 20 countries with a GHI score of less than 5. With a score under 5, China has a level of hunger that is low.

www.globalhungerindex.org

India

With a score of 27.3 in the 2024 Global Hunger Index, India has a level of hunger that is serious.

www.globalhungerindex.org

 

[beijingwalker]

And Indians here still ridicule CCP continuously, it would be an ultimate blessing for all Indians if they could have a leadership as CCP.

 

[TaiShang]

And Indians here still ridicule CCP continuously, it would be an ultimate blessing for all Indians if they could have a leadership as CCP.

As @jamahir notes, India may have socialists/Communists, but, them having government power is a very slight chance.

Populism and conservative liberalism create conditions of vicious cycle.

In some other places, it led to revolutions (by the working class, peasant class etc), but, India does not have that sort of political DNA.

It would be the event of 21st century if India had a culture shattering revolution.

 

[jamahir]

As @jamahir notes, India may have socialists/Communists, but, them having government power is a very slight chance.

Yes, but these progressives should attain nation-wide deeper influence and eventually government power somehow. I will do my bit.

In some other places, it led to revolutions (by the working class, peasant class etc), but, India does not have that sort of political DNA.

Well, the Naxalbari uprising of 1967 was begun by the peasants / farmers of Naxalbari area in Bengal and led by middle class intellectuals.

About the rest of the farmers, the capital city Delhi is seeing a massive protest by farmers against the Modi government. The farmers are mainly from Punjab state but also comprise other states too. One Sikh religious leader a few days ago shot himself dead in the protest. But these farmers should look at other recent tragedies like 300,000+ farmers committing suicide between 1995 and 2015 and ally and organize themselves with the Left and call for national revolutionary change.

Students too should call for national revolutionary change not only because of the wider national problems but also because of oppressive things within their community like student suicides. There are Left-allied student groupings like SFI and AISA and they have actively fought against the right-wing student bodies ( Hindu and Muslim ) in many places including Delhi, Bengal and Kerala.

But it is not good that the white collar workers in the IT / ITES industry have not organized themselves in employee unions and are not bothered with real development of India and instead support the Hindutvadis.

It would be the event of 21st century if India had a culture shattering revolution.

It would, yes. One+ billion progressives who support other progressives across the world like USSR and Libya did.

 

[Saudang]

China back in even 2000 was not as shitty as India now. Starvation was not rampant, poor yes but not starving liike Indians.

Yes, India is behind China in absolute poverty levels if we have compare India (2020), against China (2008). From 2001 to 2011, the poverty rate in China fell from 41% to 12% and the poverty rate in India dropped from 35% to 20%. That moved 356 million Chinese and 133 million Indians out of poverty, or 489 million people in total.

so you may not have seen the same level of starvation and famine your father and grandpa used to see, but that does not make you guys any benchmark.

on statistical comparison, India is currently at the same level as China was in 2008 in terms of GDP and national wealth, a year gap of 12 years. Although the actual gap would be 15to 18 years as China had much greater growth momentum in 2009 to 13 ..

 

[gulli]

Feel good tread created by masters and servants/ slaves came running to provide there Input.. Be assured, Indian will restrict more business from your country and make sure you never ever enter India

 

[GS Zhou]

on statistical comparison, India is currently at the same level as China was in 2008 in terms of GDP and national wealth

India GDP today was in level of China 2008; but the hunger situation in India is far worse than China 2008. Don't you think it is very ridiculous??

 

[Han Patriot]

Yes, India is behind China in absolute poverty levels if we have compare India (2020), against China (2008). From 2001 to 2011, the poverty rate in China fell from 41% to 12% and the poverty rate in India dropped from 35% to 20%. That moved 356 million Chinese and 133 million Indians out of poverty, or 489 million people in total.

so you may not have seen the same level of starvation and famine your father and grandpa used to see, but that does not make you guys any benchmark.

on statistical comparison, India is currently at the same level as China was in 2008 in terms of GDP and national wealth, a year gap of 12 years. Although the actual gap would be 15to 18 years as China had much greater growth momentum in 2009 to 13 ..

China in 2008 had better infrastructure and educated population mate. You are at least 30 years behind. Wealth was distributed through land reforms, etc.

 

[Saudang]

India GDP today was in level of China 2008; but the hunger situation in India is far worse than China 2008. Don't you think it is very ridiculous??

distribution of wealth in india is badly skewed towards the reach and hence there is lot of very poor people. even at the state levels southern states have far better quality of lives compared to few central and nothern states

 

[Saudang]

China in 2008 had better infrastructure and educated population mate. You are at least 30 years behind. Wealth was distributed through land reforms, etc.

no way the gap is 30 years. Agree that China had better education base and may be better infra at the same GDP levels, but the most important part was a rampant globalization and manufacturing work China got contributing to 47% GDP in 2008 compared to just 24% for India in 2020. we have to improve our manufacturing contribution to GDP to have a similar success.

Till 1992 both the economies were of similar size and it took china just 18 years to create a huge leap in development. Now that China is a middle income country, any further growth will be much more conservative than what was seen in 2000s.. with right kind of policies and approach, India can bridge a lot of the gaps in next 15 years

 

[fallstuff]

In 2008 with a GDP of $3 trillion and population of 1.3 billion, China was as poor as India in 2020.. so unless you are 12 years or younger, you have seen all the same level of poverty...

By the way with a HDI ranking of 85, there are another 84 countries where its citizens are doing better than average Chinese currently. Infact with a per capita GDP of $10000, China is still $4000 short of US benchmark of poverty ($14000 per capita or below).

Just to give you a prospective of where you are..

By the way thanks for your concern about Indian citizens

Poor man in US has a/c, car, fridge, food and govt provided health care.

 

[GS Zhou]

no way the gap is 30 years.

GDP is just one angle of the development level of a certain nation. If you turn to look at some none-monetary indicators, which maybe more directly relevant to the livelihood of ordinary people, you may find the 30year gap is actually a very reasonable estimation.

For example,
Children under five years old who are stunted
India's latest record is 34.7%, which is in the range of China's performance 30years before.
BTW, North Korea's record is 19.1%, i.e. the stunting percentage of young kids in India is almost 200% of North Korea! The North Korea Leader Kim Jong-un is obviously treating the kids far better than Modi Ji, who is voted by the India people!

Data could be found from the below link

GHO | By category

apps.who.int

Life expectancy at birth
India's latest record is 69years old, which is again in the range of China's performance 30 years before.
BTW, North Korea's life expectancy is 72years old. The North Korea Leader Kim Jong-un is also treating the elders much better than Modi Ji, who is voted by the India people!

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

 

[Saudang]

GDP is just one angle of the development level of a certain nation. If you turn to look at some none-monetary indicators, which maybe more directly relevant to the livelihood of ordinary people, you may find the 30year gap is actually a very reasonable estimation.

For example,
Children under five years old who are stunted
India's latest record is 34.7%, which is in the range of China's performance 30years before.
BTW, North Korea's record is 19.1%, i.e. the stunting percentage of young kids in India is almost 200% of North Korea! The North Korea Leader Kim Jong-un is obviously treating the kids far better than Modi Ji, who is voted by the India people!

Data could be found from the below link

GHO | By category

apps.who.int

Life expectancy at birth
India's latest record is 69years old, which is again in the range of China's performance 30 years before.
BTW, North Korea's life expectancy is 72years old. The North Korea Leader Kim Jong-un is also treating the elders much better than Modi Ji, who is voted by the India people!

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World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Selective highlight of specific data to score points. I can pull out few data points where China is behind 19th century Europe or US.. would you agree that China is 100 years behind Europe or the US?