India’s Anti-Terror Troops Despise Their Assault Rifle

[shree835]

Not me ...your guys get their face blackened with it ...if they love celebrating this kinda Holi with it ...no problem !

That issue is already addressed.... Now Insas is busy sending those Jihadiest to the God for Justice for his Sin.

 

[Koovie]

Not me ...your guys get their face blackened with it ...if they love celebrating this kinda Holi with it ...no problem !

You dont seem to be the smartest guy around here... or your comprehension skills are simply bad.

Those issues have been fixed a long time ago.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

This is interesting, can you please elaborate the above part of your post.

Numerous instances where the terrorist got hit in the main body and fell...they got up fired back and ran for cover.When i had a chance to sit with the soldiers who served 2.5 years in Kashmir they all said when we were carrying a INSAS we made sure that we targeted the neck or the head.

I initially though this has something to do with 5.56 but they said this does not happen with Tavor.They have had joint ops with SF and have seen PARA SF guys going for the body shots and being successful in bringing the threat down.

You can ask any "INFANTRY" or "SF" guys to verify.

 

[acetophenol]

Lets talk about the pics you posted.

1st pic is i dont know from where.

2nd pic is from Commando School in Madhya Pradesh----NO CT Ops there.

3rd pic is of a Infantryman...check his epaulette.

4th pic is again of a infantry battalion.

In Infantry battalion the GHATAKS use AK and the regulars use INSAS.Big statement as i say but you guys are nowhere what i call being neutral.

I am already aware of the sources of the pictures.

Bro, no one ever claimed INSAS to be a world class rifle. I posted those pics to highlight the wide usage of INSAS, including CT Ops in J/K. All these negate anti-INSAS arguments, INSAS is a decent rifle and one must give credits where its due.

And kindly support your argument that GHATAKs use AKs and not INSAS.

Posting more pics:

^^^5.56 X 45mm OFB FMJ, Mass 4.16 gm

^^INSAS in Kargil

^^^BSF

^^^SWAT Police Man with INSAS with Night Scope and a Glock

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Numerous instances where the terrorist got hit in the main body and fell...they got up fired back and ran for cover.When i had a chance to sit with the soldiers who served 2.5 years in Kashmir they all said when we were carrying a INSAS we made sure that we targeted the neck or the head.

I initially though this has something to do with 5.56 but they said this does not happen with Tavor.They have had joint ops with SF and have seen PARA SF guys going for the body shots and being successful in bringing the threat down.

You can ask any "INFANTRY" or "SF" guys to verify.

It again has to do with the IA doctrine, Hit an enemy and injure him , u make 2 soldiers useless. Now it has some what changed with the insurgents-One shot -one kill.
U keep complaining about INSAS, point others making here is that u should have done that in early 2000's not now.

 

[acetophenol]

^^^AMOGH Carbine from the INSAS family, in service.

^^^INSAS Excalibur; light weight and has full auto mode, has been spotted in service with coast guard

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I am already aware of the sources of the pictures.

Bro, no one ever claimed INSAS to be a world class rifle. I posted those pics to highlight the wide usage of INSAS, including CT Ops in J/K. All these negate anti-INSAS arguments, INSAS is a decent rifle and one must give credits where its due.

And kindly support your argument that GHATAKs use AKs and not INSAS.

Posting more pics:

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You want me to prove you that GHATAKS use AK over INSAS?...cool!

सीमा पर गोलीबारी : दहशत में गुजरते दिन और रात

GHATAKS in action on the LOC.

INSAS is in large numbers coz it was ordered without proper testing.

the Infantry battalions posted in CT/CI use INSAS because they have no option.It does not "negate anything".Those like GHATAKS who have a choice dont use it.

Still not convinced watch this...men with black BPJs are GHATAKS.

AT 1:37 watch the GHATAKS...count the number of AKs and the number of INSAS.

@acetophenol

 

[acetophenol]

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I am already aware of the sources of the pictures.

Bro, no one ever claimed INSAS to be a world class rifle. I posted those pics to highlight the wide usage of INSAS, including CT Ops in J/K. All these negate anti-INSAS arguments, INSAS is a decent rifle and one must give credits where its due.

And kindly support your argument that GHATAKs use AKs and not INSAS.

Posting more pics:

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^^^5.56 X 45mm OFB FMJ, Mass 4.16 gm

^^INSAS in Kargil

^^^BSF

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^^^SWAT Police Man with INSAS with Night Scope and a Glock

These are not GHATAKS!!!!

SWAT POlice is AGRA PD..what do you expect?..SCAR?

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Regulars.

 

[MilSpec]

Numerous instances where the terrorist got hit in the main body and fell...they got up fired back and ran for cover.When i had a chance to sit with the soldiers who served 2.5 years in Kashmir they all said when we were carrying a INSAS we made sure that we targeted the neck or the head.

I initially though this has something to do with 5.56 but they said this does not happen with Tavor.They have had joint ops with SF and have seen PARA SF guys going for the body shots and being successful in bringing the threat down.

You can ask any "INFANTRY" or "SF" guys to verify.

Let me get this right, you are saying hitting power (also known as terminal ballistics) of the same cartridge when fired from two different platforms is different.

the only scenario in which that is possible if the breach block is not sealing effectively causing excess headspace in that case cartridge if fired will rupture and I atleast have never heard of that. now as Insas has the same rotating bolt as the AK, thus if the breach doesn't seal then the round will not cycle and cause will cause the cartridge to tear everytime and will be unsafe. From the factory it will reject on the headspace gauge.

No to address the thoery of different terminal ballistics of the same round fired from a Tavor and a Insas.

Terminal ballistics rely on two prime criterions, Velocity and Diameter of the projectile. As the round in context for both rifle systems is the 5.56 x 45 Nato, the diameter is constant, so the obvious culprit you are pointing to is the velocity though both the rounds.

muzzle velocity is determined by the quality (burn speed, expansion) and quantity of the propellant, the mass of the projectile, and the length of the barrel. Length of the barrel on insas rifle is 18.3 in compared to a 18.1 in a Tavor.
Assuming you are using the same round on both system with same propellent and samr grain bullet, Insas will actually give you slightly better muzzle velocity than the Tavor.


The only way your argument is correct is if the tavor teams you identified in your posts are using better match grade ammunition compared to the regular insas contingents.

Also you might have inadvertently brought about good point for the Insas system, If the forces are consistently taking head and neck shots with the Insas, it definitely is damn accurate system,

 

[Max Pain]

Medium.com has one of the crappiest articles i came across,
seriously.....

 

[acetophenol]

These are not GHATAKS!!!!

.

Stop shoving your words into my mouth. I have no where claimed that the guys in the pics I posted where Ghataks.

SWAT POlice is AGRA PD..what do you expect?..SCAR?

No, I did not expect SWAT Police of Agra to use SCAR (nice work guessing it). I posted that pic to highlight the wide variety of area the INSAS serves

Regulars.

INSAS is the Standard Issue Rifle of Indian Army, and that is why the "regulars" are carrying them
And kindly note the sub zero temperatures where the "regulars" using the INSAS.

You want me to prove you that GHATAKS use AK over INSAS?...cool!

सीमा पर गोलीबारी : दहशत में गुजरते दिन और रात

GHATAKS in action on the LOC.

These videos proves Ghataks use AKs Over INSAS?

Infact I've spotted as many INSAS or even more number of INSAS in the video! ( 03.27,05.46,06.20,06.26 and more)

INSAS is in large numbers coz it was ordered without proper testing.

You went too far there mate

Indian Army did not get to "properly test" INSAS anywhere in its 15+ years of service?
Does IAF,IN,BSF,CRPF,ICGS etc also inducted INSAS without proper testing?

the Infantry battalions posted in CT/CI use INSAS because they have no option.It does not "negate anything".Those like GHATAKS who have a choice dont use it.

Ghataks are using Aks, no problem, no doubts. But they are seen using INSAS too! The Scoped INSAS were first supplied to Ghataks, if I am not wrong.

The Paras have Tavours and M4s, but they are mostly seen with Tavours. Does that mean the M4 is a bad rifle?

Still not convinced watch this...men with black BPJs are GHATAKS.



AT 1:37 watch the GHATAKS...count the number of AKs and the number of INSAS.

Already answered.

 

[Sage]

You dont seem to be the smartest guy around here... or your comprehension skills are simply bad.

Those issues have been fixed a long time ago.

Chill buddy chill ....leave my smartness and comprehension skills ...improve your rifle ...sharpen up your

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Stop shoving your words into my mouth. I have no where claimed that the guys in the pics I posted where Ghataks.



No, I did not expect SWAT Police of Agra to use SCAR (nice work guessing it). I posted that pic to highlight the wide variety of area the INSAS serves



INSAS is the Standard Issue Rifle of Indian Army, and that is why the "regulars" are carrying them
And kindly note the sub zero temperatures where the "regulars" using the INSAS.



These videos proves Ghataks use AKs Over INSAS?

Infact I've spotted as many INSAS or even more number of INSAS in the video! ( 03.27,05.46,06.20,06.26 and more)



You went too far there mate

Indian Army did not get to "properly test" INSAS anywhere in its 15+ years of service?
Does IAF,IN,BSF,CRPF,ICGS etc also inducted INSAS without proper testing?


Ghataks are using Aks, no problem, no doubts. But they are seen using INSAS too! The Scoped INSAS were first supplied to Ghataks, if I am not wrong.

The Paras have Tavours and M4s, but they are mostly seen with Tavours. Does that mean the M4 is a bad rifle?


Already answered.

So what are yoiu trying to imply..that IA uses INSAS..Yes it does man.

Is it anywhere near a decent AR..Nope.

The video i posted was to show you that only 1 or 2 guys out of the entire GHATAK sqaud use INSAS.If you cant see that mate i am sorry i am talking to someone with a blinded logic.

 

[Didact]

Let me get this right, you are saying hitting power (also known as terminal ballistics) of the same cartridge when fired from two different platforms is different.

the only scenario in which that is possible if the breach block is not sealing effectively causing excess headspace in that case cartridge if fired will rupture and I atleast have never heard of that. now as Insas has the same rotating bolt as the AK, thus if the breach doesn't seal then the round will not cycle and cause will cause the cartridge to tear everytime and will be unsafe. From the factory it will reject on the headspace gauge.

No to address the thoery of different terminal ballistics of the same round fired from a Tavor and a Insas.

Terminal ballistics rely on two prime criterions, Velocity and Diameter of the projectile. As the round in context for both rifle systems is the 5.56 x 45 Nato, the diameter is constant, so the obvious culprit you are pointing to is the velocity though both the rounds.

muzzle velocity is determined by the quality (burn speed, expansion) and quantity of the propellant, the mass of the projectile, and the length of the barrel. Length of the barrel on insas rifle is 18.3 in compared to a 18.1 in a Tavor.
Assuming you are using the same round on both system with same propellent and samr grain bullet, Insas will actually give you slightly better muzzle velocity than the Tavor.


The only way your argument is correct is if the tavor teams you identified in your posts are using better match grade ammunition compared to the regular insas contingents.

Also you might have inadvertently brought about good point for the Insas system, If the forces are consistently taking head and neck shots with the Insas, it definitely is damn accurate system,

Actually, rounds exitng INSAS does have a better muzzle velocity as compared to the Tavor-21, about 5 m/s, even though the standard round fired by the INSAS is 64-grains. The Tavor uses the Israeli supplied ammunition btw, eiher the 55 grain or the 62 grain, I'm not certain.

I was about to post the same rational arguments you stated about the ballistic performance of the INSAS, but then realised it's not worth the time to try and explain senior school physics to people blinded by ignorance.

Until and unless the bullet exiting Tavor suddenly turns into the god-damned Hulk, it will have the same effect as the INSAS on the target if it hits it. Please do note that this logic only works in the world of physics, not in the world of vendetta and ignorant tripe. If people had complained about the accuracy of the INSAS, I'd probably consider it a worthwhile bone of contention, but to state that the same round