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Soldiers would prefer AKs to this piece of junk


by ROBERT BECKHUSEN

In 1999, the Indian Army fought a three-month-long undeclared war with Pakistan. It was also the combat debut of India’s new Insas battle rifle.

The Insas is a very bad rifle.

During the conflict—waged over the disputed and mountainous Kargil district in the province of Kashmir—the Indian troops’ rifles jammed up, and their cheap, 20-round plastic magazines cracked in the cold weather.

To make a terrible weapon worse, the Insas had a habit of spraying oil directly onto the handler’s face and eyes.

Designed to shoot in semi-automatic and three-round burst modes, some soldiers would pull the trigger, and the gun would unexpectedly spray rounds like a fully automatic.

Soldiers also preferred the heavier 7.62-millimeter rounds in the FAL rifle, which the Insas and its 5.56-millimeter rounds replaced.

Then in 2005, Maoist rebels attacked a Nepalese army base. The Nepalese troops had Insas rifles bought from India. During the 10-hour-long battle, the rifles overheated and stopped working. The Maoists overran the base and killed 43 soldiers.

“Maybe the weapons we were using were not designed for a long fight,” Nepalese army Brig. Gen. Deepak Gurung said after the battle. “They malfunctioned.”

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In November, India’s Central Reserve Police—which uses the rifle—finally had enough. The CRPF is a counter-insurgency force tasked with fighting Maoist rebels known as Naxalites in several eastern states.

“We have sent a proposal to the government that all Insas rifles with the force be replaced by AK rifles,” CRPF general director Dilip Trivedi told the Times of India. “The Insas has a problem of jamming. Compared to AK and X-95 guns, Insas fails far more frequently.”

Another CRPF soldier alleged New Delhi chose to “lose the lives of our jawans to promote a faulty indigenous gun,” he said, using the Indian term for a soldier.

The Insas make up almost half of the CRPF’s arsenal. That’s become an acute problem as Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the conservative Bharatiya Janata Party push the counter-insurgents to crack down hard on the Naxalites.

As part of this offensive, the CRPF is relying more on heavier weapons such as mortars and grenade launchers. At the same time, the Maoists are building bigger bombs to use against the CRPF’s armored, “mine-protected” vehicles.

But there’s larger reasons why the Insas is such an awful gun.

The main cause was a myopic obsession among the Indian military beginning in the 1980s about relying more on weapons made at home. The state-owned Ordnance Factories Board manufactures the Insas.

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At top—CRPF soldiers with Insas rifles near Jammu, India on April 17, 2010. Channi Anand/AP photo. Indian Army troops in Babina, India on October 13, 2009. U.S. Army photo
To be sure, India had practical needs for a new weapon. Well into the 1990s, the Indian Army and the country’s internal security forces relied on a mix of old, 1950s-era FALs, Lee-Enfields — first developed in the 1890s — and Russian-made AK-type rifles.

The Insas turned into a hybrid, combining features of both the FAL and the AK-47. But the result was an awkward weapon—and one prone to failure.

A few years ago, a pseudonymous Indian gun blogger inspected several of the rifles. Hoo boy, they’re a sight to behold.

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There’s lots of redundant parts and features that seem to serve no purpose except to make the rifle more complicated and expensive to produce. Its plastic hand guard is wobbly. The gas cylinder—which powers the reloading mechanism—is prone to breaking.

The Insas is also “several times” more expensive than an AK, according to a 2012 report in The Hindu.

In addition to the plastic parts, there’s “four different kinds of metal, an amalgam almost guaranteed to impair their functioning in the extreme [mountainous] climates of Siachen and Rajasthan,” the paper added.

Nilkamal Plastics—the Indian plastic furniture giant—produces the crack-prone magazines.

“In the end it shoots fairly accurately and with reasonable reliability,” the gun blogger wrote. “But it’s plagued by shitty quality and needless refinements of dubious value.”
After the poor performance in the Kargil War, the Indian Army fixed some of the rifle’s flaws—such as the problem with the spraying oil. But the rifle still sucks.

Last year, the Army tested the Israeli Galil ACE, the American CM-901 Modular Carbine and the Italian ARX-160 rifles as a potential replacements. But it’ll still take years to swap out the Insas. And that’s a big if.

But remember what the counter-insurgency troops said. India could always buy more AKs.

India’s Anti-Terror Troops Despise Their Assault Rifle — War Is Boring — Medium

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Soldiers would prefer AKs to this piece of junk


by ROBERT BECKHUSEN

In 1999, the Indian Army fought a three-month-long undeclared war with Pakistan. It was also the combat debut of India’s new Insas battle rifle.

The Insas is a very bad rifle.

During the conflict—waged over the disputed and mountainous Kargil district in the province of Kashmir—the Indian troops’ rifles jammed up, and their cheap, 20-round plastic magazines cracked in the cold weather.

To make a terrible weapon worse, the Insas had a habit of spraying oil directly onto the handler’s face and eyes.

Designed to shoot in semi-automatic and three-round burst modes, some soldiers would pull the trigger, and the gun would unexpectedly spray rounds like a fully automatic.

Soldiers also preferred the heavier 7.62-millimeter rounds in the FAL rifle, which the Insas and its 5.56-millimeter rounds replaced.

Then in 2005, Maoist rebels attacked a Nepalese army base. The Nepalese troops had Insas rifles bought from India. During the 10-hour-long battle, the rifles overheated and stopped working. The Maoists overran the base and killed 43 soldiers.

“Maybe the weapons we were using were not designed for a long fight,” Nepalese army Brig. Gen. Deepak Gurung said after the battle. “They malfunctioned.”

1*LV1zeQzi1NbITpoqAz5s3Q.png

In November, India’s Central Reserve Police—which uses the rifle—finally had enough. The CRPF is a counter-insurgency force tasked with fighting Maoist rebels known as Naxalites in several eastern states.

“We have sent a proposal to the government that all Insas rifles with the force be replaced by AK rifles,” CRPF general director Dilip Trivedi told the Times of India. “The Insas has a problem of jamming. Compared to AK and X-95 guns, Insas fails far more frequently.”

Another CRPF soldier alleged New Delhi chose to “lose the lives of our jawans to promote a faulty indigenous gun,” he said, using the Indian term for a soldier.

The Insas make up almost half of the CRPF’s arsenal. That’s become an acute problem as Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the conservative Bharatiya Janata Party push the counter-insurgents to crack down hard on the Naxalites.

As part of this offensive, the CRPF is relying more on heavier weapons such as mortars and grenade launchers. At the same time, the Maoists are building bigger bombs to use against the CRPF’s armored, “mine-protected” vehicles.

But there’s larger reasons why the Insas is such an awful gun.

The main cause was a myopic obsession among the Indian military beginning in the 1980s about relying more on weapons made at home. The state-owned Ordnance Factories Board manufactures the Insas.

1*IqFoJyJXvvGyQXXBKhuOCQ.jpeg

At top—CRPF soldiers with Insas rifles near Jammu, India on April 17, 2010. Channi Anand/AP photo. Indian Army troops in Babina, India on October 13, 2009. U.S. Army photo
To be sure, India had practical needs for a new weapon. Well into the 1990s, the Indian Army and the country’s internal security forces relied on a mix of old, 1950s-era FALs, Lee-Enfields — first developed in the 1890s — and Russian-made AK-type rifles.

The Insas turned into a hybrid, combining features of both the FAL and the AK-47. But the result was an awkward weapon—and one prone to failure.

A few years ago, a pseudonymous Indian gun blogger inspected several of the rifles. Hoo boy, they’re a sight to behold.

1*LV1zeQzi1NbITpoqAz5s3Q.png

There’s lots of redundant parts and features that seem to serve no purpose except to make the rifle more complicated and expensive to produce. Its plastic hand guard is wobbly. The gas cylinder—which powers the reloading mechanism—is prone to breaking.

The Insas is also “several times” more expensive than an AK, according to a 2012 report in The Hindu.

In addition to the plastic parts, there’s “four different kinds of metal, an amalgam almost guaranteed to impair their functioning in the extreme [mountainous] climates of Siachen and Rajasthan,” the paper added.

Nilkamal Plastics—the Indian plastic furniture giant—produces the crack-prone magazines.

“In the end it shoots fairly accurately and with reasonable reliability,” the gun blogger wrote. “But it’s plagued by shitty quality and needless refinements of dubious value.”
After the poor performance in the Kargil War, the Indian Army fixed some of the rifle’s flaws—such as the problem with the spraying oil. But the rifle still sucks.

Last year, the Army tested the Israeli Galil ACE, the American CM-901 Modular Carbine and the Italian ARX-160 rifles as a potential replacements. But it’ll still take years to swap out the Insas. And that’s a big if.

But remember what the counter-insurgency troops said. India could always buy more AKs.

India’s Anti-Terror Troops Despise Their Assault Rifle — War Is Boring — Medium

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What a pile of BS
All the problem with the INSAS system was solved in the 90s & CRPF is probably getting older versions that's why they are complaining but that will be fixed in due time
@Abingdonboy can tell more on this
 
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Even GIs preferred AKs to M16, didn't stop the government from making more of them and improving them. India is doing the same.
 
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Soldiers would prefer AKs to this piece of junk


by ROBERT BECKHUSEN

In 1999, the Indian Army fought a three-month-long undeclared war with Pakistan. It was also the combat debut of India’s new Insas battle rifle.

The Insas is a very bad rifle.

During the conflict—waged over the disputed and mountainous Kargil district in the province of Kashmir—the Indian troops’ rifles jammed up, and their cheap, 20-round plastic magazines cracked in the cold weather.

To make a terrible weapon worse, the Insas had a habit of spraying oil directly onto the handler’s face and eyes.

Designed to shoot in semi-automatic and three-round burst modes, some soldiers would pull the trigger, and the gun would unexpectedly spray rounds like a fully automatic.

Soldiers also preferred the heavier 7.62-millimeter rounds in the FAL rifle, which the Insas and its 5.56-millimeter rounds replaced.

Then in 2005, Maoist rebels attacked a Nepalese army base. The Nepalese troops had Insas rifles bought from India. During the 10-hour-long battle, the rifles overheated and stopped working. The Maoists overran the base and killed 43 soldiers.

“Maybe the weapons we were using were not designed for a long fight,” Nepalese army Brig. Gen. Deepak Gurung said after the battle. “They malfunctioned.”

1*LV1zeQzi1NbITpoqAz5s3Q.png

In November, India’s Central Reserve Police—which uses the rifle—finally had enough. The CRPF is a counter-insurgency force tasked with fighting Maoist rebels known as Naxalites in several eastern states.

“We have sent a proposal to the government that all Insas rifles with the force be replaced by AK rifles,” CRPF general director Dilip Trivedi told the Times of India. “The Insas has a problem of jamming. Compared to AK and X-95 guns, Insas fails far more frequently.”

Another CRPF soldier alleged New Delhi chose to “lose the lives of our jawans to promote a faulty indigenous gun,” he said, using the Indian term for a soldier.

The Insas make up almost half of the CRPF’s arsenal. That’s become an acute problem as Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the conservative Bharatiya Janata Party push the counter-insurgents to crack down hard on the Naxalites.

As part of this offensive, the CRPF is relying more on heavier weapons such as mortars and grenade launchers. At the same time, the Maoists are building bigger bombs to use against the CRPF’s armored, “mine-protected” vehicles.

But there’s larger reasons why the Insas is such an awful gun.

The main cause was a myopic obsession among the Indian military beginning in the 1980s about relying more on weapons made at home. The state-owned Ordnance Factories Board manufactures the Insas.

1*IqFoJyJXvvGyQXXBKhuOCQ.jpeg

At top—CRPF soldiers with Insas rifles near Jammu, India on April 17, 2010. Channi Anand/AP photo. Indian Army troops in Babina, India on October 13, 2009. U.S. Army photo
To be sure, India had practical needs for a new weapon. Well into the 1990s, the Indian Army and the country’s internal security forces relied on a mix of old, 1950s-era FALs, Lee-Enfields — first developed in the 1890s — and Russian-made AK-type rifles.

The Insas turned into a hybrid, combining features of both the FAL and the AK-47. But the result was an awkward weapon—and one prone to failure.

A few years ago, a pseudonymous Indian gun blogger inspected several of the rifles. Hoo boy, they’re a sight to behold.

1*LV1zeQzi1NbITpoqAz5s3Q.png

There’s lots of redundant parts and features that seem to serve no purpose except to make the rifle more complicated and expensive to produce. Its plastic hand guard is wobbly. The gas cylinder—which powers the reloading mechanism—is prone to breaking.

The Insas is also “several times” more expensive than an AK, according to a 2012 report in The Hindu.

In addition to the plastic parts, there’s “four different kinds of metal, an amalgam almost guaranteed to impair their functioning in the extreme [mountainous] climates of Siachen and Rajasthan,” the paper added.

Nilkamal Plastics—the Indian plastic furniture giant—produces the crack-prone magazines.

“In the end it shoots fairly accurately and with reasonable reliability,” the gun blogger wrote. “But it’s plagued by shitty quality and needless refinements of dubious value.”
After the poor performance in the Kargil War, the Indian Army fixed some of the rifle’s flaws—such as the problem with the spraying oil. But the rifle still sucks.

Last year, the Army tested the Israeli Galil ACE, the American CM-901 Modular Carbine and the Italian ARX-160 rifles as a potential replacements. But it’ll still take years to swap out the Insas. And that’s a big if.

But remember what the counter-insurgency troops said. India could always buy more AKs.

India’s Anti-Terror Troops Despise Their Assault Rifle — War Is Boring — Medium

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What a pile of BS
All the problem with the INSAS system was solved in the 90s & CRPF is probably getting older versions that's why they are complaining but that will be fixed in due time
can tell more on this

all issues mentioned above where fixed long ago more info in below link by Abingdonboy
New assault rifles to replace INSAS, says Antony | Page 3
 
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What a pile of BS
All the problem with the INSAS system was solved in the 90s & CRPF is probably getting older versions that's why they are complaining but that will be fixed in due time
@Abingdonboy can tell more on this

You are wrong.The problems have not entirely been solved and it is a crappy rifle.No Indian unit would like to take the gun to war and it is rightly been kicked out.Even the CRPF has kicked it out.

Indigenousity cannot be at the cost of precious lives.
 
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You are wrong.The problems have not entirely been solved and it is a crappy rifle.No Indian unit would like to take the gun to war and it is rightly been kicked out.Even the CRPF has kicked it out.

Indigenousity cannot be at the cost of precious lives.

Lesson of the US during Vietnam need to be heeded. Practicality need to came before Pride.

Congressman claims M-16 is defective — History.com This Day in History — 5/23/1967

Ironically though the M-16 became better after incorporating AK style gas operating mechanism.
 
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A stupid title and misrepresentation of the facts. The issues identified during the 1999 Kargil war (oil spraying, jamming, cracking of magazines) were addressed a long time ago (2001/2) and haven't reoccured since in subsequent models (1B, 1B1).

And the basic fact is the Indian Army doesn't use the INSAS in anti-terror operations, instead opting for the Ak family because of its 7.62mm round, the 5.56mm is reserved for units tasked with conventional roles so the entire premise of this article that India's "anti-terror troops" have had issues with the INSAS in a CT environment is entirely nonsensical. Outside of a CT environment the INSAS actually receives a lot of praise, I've spoken to a former IA officer who says it is very accurate, controllable and if maintained properly reliable.

The INSAS has been in service for almost 20 years and more than 2 million of them have been made and are in operational service with the Indian military and certain police forces and exported to other nations like Nepal and Oman. If this rifle was such a disaster it would have been withdrawn from service long ago, I don't know what the point of this article is other than to sensationalise history but it is about 16 years behind the times.
 
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You are wrong.The problems have not entirely been solved and it is a crappy rifle.No Indian unit would like to take the gun to war and it is rightly been kicked out.Even the CRPF has kicked it out.

Indigenousity cannot be at the cost of precious lives.
I really don't know where you get your information but will tell you from my personal experience ,INSAS is a good rifle with maintenance prone which personal from CRPF,BSF hate a alot.

A stupid title and misrepresentation of the facts. The issues identified during the 1999 Kargil war (oil spraying, jamming, cracking of magazines) were addressed a long time ago (2001/2) and haven't reoccured since in subsequent models (1B, 1B1).

And the basic fact is the Indian Army doesn't use the INSAS in anti-terror operations, instead opting for the Ak family because of its 7.62mm round, the 5.56mm is reserved for units tasked with conventional roles so the entire premise of this article that India's "anti-terror troops" have had issues with the INSAS in a CT environment is entirely nonsensical. Outside of a CT environment the INSAS actually receives a lot of praise, I've spoken to a former IA officer who says it is very accurate, controllable and if maintained properly reliable.

The INSAS has been in service for almost 20 years and more than 2 million of them have been made and are in operational service with the Indian military and certain police forces and exported to other nations like Nepal and Oman. If this rifle was such a disaster it would have been withdrawn from service long ago, I don't know what the point of this article is other than to sensationalise history but it is about 16 years behind the times.
I have some one in Assam rifles who praised it for long range accuracy even in LMG role.
INSAS is never meant for CT role but conventional and border patrolling where you need accuracy and range hand in hand.
 
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What a pile of BS
All the problem with the INSAS system was solved in the 90s & CRPF is probably getting older versions that's why they are complaining but that will be fixed in due time
@Abingdonboy can tell more on this
It would be better to equip your CPRF with .303 rather than giving them this ugly INSAS ...that too older versions ...!
 
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I really don't know where you get your information but will tell you from my personal experience ,INSAS is a good rifle with maintenance prone which personal from CRPF,BSF hate a alot.


I have some one in Assam rifles who praised it for long range accuracy even in LMG role.
INSAS is never meant for CT role but conventional and border patrolling where you need accuracy and range hand in hand.

Okay,What is the purpose of LMG?

I guess to suppress enemy fortification for which you need high rate of fire and hitting power which the INSAS LMG lacks.In today's age it is the only LMG which does not have a drum magazine or a belt.

INSAS has the problem of stopping in between a firefight not of maintenance only and if it falls its magazine breaks into two.

I don't know about your source but the Special Forces and the RR "does not" use INSAS...and that is a big statement.
 
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It would be better to equip your CPRF with .303 rather than giving them this ugly INSAS ...that too older versions ...!
Don't try to make fun of the good old Lee-Enfield .303.I know a lot about it because i have fired it during my NCC days and believe me that gun is an extremely accurate and potent one in the hands of a trained policeman let alone a CRPF jawan.It's basically an excellent marskman rifle and it's long range of over a 1000 yards is extremely lethal,the only negative thing about it is that it's a bolt action rifle and hence can't be used in modern urban warfare.
INSAS,overall is a decent assault rifle although it doesn't have the option of going full auto.It is quite accurate and the lighter 5.56 mm ammunition means that you can technically carry a lot more of them in the battlefield:coffee:.
 
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BS article by someone who I doubt has fired a single round in his life.

You are wrong.The problems have not entirely been solved and it is a crappy rifle.No Indian unit would like to take the gun to war and it is rightly been kicked out.Even the CRPF has kicked it out.

Indigenousity cannot be at the cost of precious lives.
Not true. It is outdated but all teething issues on the system have been resolved.
 
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