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After Pathankot I have heard many Indians talking about why it is so necessary now to carry out surgical strikes inside Pakistan to eliminate so called militants and also to send Pak a clear message. The way within hours of attack we heard news of Bhawalpur being the home place of one of the alleged attacker and the widespread allegations against Pakistan in India which is evident by Indian PDF members posts as well I think though very minute but there is a possibility that Modi may opt for an adventure to improve his local ratings and to hide his failures at multiple fronts including dreams to isolate Pakistan internationally.

Indian posture infront of world would be very innocent something like see our Pm went to Pak to congratulate their Pm on his birthday and bless his grand daughter on her wedding ( So cute of him right!!!!!!!) but that's how Pak is replying so we had to take the action.

But as suspected by many in Pakistan that its a Raw false flag then any such attempted strikes are more likely or may be done after doing a couple of more such false flags .

Just another assumption there may a third party involved who is against Pak-india trying to resolve their issues through dialogue.

Lets discuss the fall out of any such adventure.
I don't want to go into nuke scare as that has already been said many times and has been blown out of proportion but as per me followings are the possible outcome.

1)Indian assets neutralized before conducting any strike.. Utterly shame for IAF and will add to their current humiliation but its highly unlikely as Bhawalpur and some other areas are close to border and fighters can lock missiles without actually entering Pak space.
2)Pakistan retaliating by targeting Indian assets near border not general population but military installation.
3) Over days things getting out of control and a full fledged border conflict or a war utilizing all three forces.
4) Nukes are put on alert in both states.

Now things will lead to some permanent damage.

5) A nuke fall out killing millions in both nations.
6) Economy crashing completely and throwing both countries back into 50's ( Just remember with sophisticated weapons of today destruction would be quick and wide spread)

And most probably the bone of contention Kashmir will either be destroyed due to fighting or her status will remain unchanged thus a no gain for any state.
But india may be able to delay the game changer CPEC by a decade or so at the cost of loosing heavily economically .

One more thing what would be global position.
China will side Pakistan , Russia would most probably remain neutral given changing dynamics in ME(but may supply any part or weapons required by India) , USA would try to play both ways but most probably will side with India .
Other regional powers like Germany , france and Uk may be neutral as well.
Saudia and Turkey will support Pakistan vocally I guess with Turkey extending military help as well.

The role of this new Saudi formed coalition of 34 states would also be interesting to watch.
 
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After Pathankot I have heard many Indians talking about why it is so necessary now to carry out surgical strikes inside Pakistan to eliminate so called militants and also to send Pak a clear message. The way within hours of attack we heard news of Bhawalpur being the home place of one of the alleged attacker and the widespread allegations against Pakistan in India which is evident by Indian PDF members posts as well I think though very minute but their is a possibility that Modi may opt for an adventure .

Indian posture infront of world would be very innocent something like see our Pm went to Pak to congratulate their Pm on his birthday and bless his grand daughter on her wedding ( So cute of him right!!!!!!!) but that's how Pak is replying so we had to take the action.

Lets discuss the fall out of any such adventure.
I don't want to go into nuke scare as that has already been said many times and has been blown out of proportion but as per me followings are the possible outcome.

1)Indian assets neutralized before conducting any strike.. Utterly shame for IAF and will add to their current humiliation but its highly unlikely as Bhawalpur and some other areas are close to border and fighters can lock missiles without actually entering Pak space.
2)Pakistan retaliating by targeting Indian assets near border not general population but military installation.
3) Over days things getting out of control and a full fledged border conflict or a war utilizing all three forces.
4) Nukes are put on alert in both states.

Now things will lead to some permanent damage.

5) A nuke fall out killing millions in both nations.
6) Economy crashing completely and throwing both countries back into 50's ( Just remember with sophisticated weapons of today destruction would be quick and wide spread)

And most probably the bone of contention Kashmir will either be destroyed due to fighting or her status will remain unchanged thus a no gain for any state.
But india may be able to delay the game changer CPEC by a decade or so at the cost of loosing heavily economically .

One more thing what would be global position.
China will side Pakistan , Russia would most probably remain neutral given changing dynamics in ME(but may supply any part or weapons required by India) , USA would try to play both ways but most probably will side with India .
Other regional powers like Germany , france and Uk may be neutral as well.
Saudia and Turkey will support Pakistan vocally I guess with Turkey extending military help as well.

The role of this Saudi formed coalition of 34 states would also be interesting to watch.
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Neat analysis but a very big flaw. China is not coming to your aid. A few months back Myanmar bombed Chinese territory in Yunan province. No armed retaliation happened. So expecting China to step in so far from their heartland is foolhardly.

Plus, no Nuke strikes will happen either side, no matter how how many strikes materialise from either side.
 
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@Albatross - Surgical strikes are intended to go after specific targets such as was done when the terrorists ran back into Myanmar. The Pakistani terrorists were killed during the operation, so why would India launch a surgical strike?

Do you mean India going after terrorist factories in Pakistan? That is Pakistan's responsibility, unless you are saying Pak govt continues to be incapable of handling its job? Between the zarb-e-ops and your general & PM's recent vows to cooperate in killing terrorists, we have to give that a chance
 
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Neat analysis but a very big flaw. China is not coming to your aid. A few months back Myanmar bombed Chinese territory in Yunan province. No armed retaliation happened. So expecting China to step in so far from their heartland is foolhardly.

Plus, no Nuke strikes will happen either side, no matter how how many strikes materialise from either side.
Its not that China will send their military but they will give all the weapons support Pakistan will ask including any aircrafts and for the same purpose Pakistan has been training her pilots on J 10 b and some other Chinese Platforms.
 
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Its not that China will send their military but they will give all the weapons support Pakistan will ask including any aircrafts and for the same purpose Pakistan has been training her pilots on J 10 b and some other Chinese Platforms.
During both 1965 and 1971 war, China supplied weapons to Pakistan.

History is a witness to how well that went :D
 
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Surgical strikes inside Pakistan from India. The reaction will be an all out war, India knows it, US knows it and Pakistan knows it. Anybody suggesting surgical strikes is actually suggesting trouble for whole region.
 
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@Albatross - Surgical strikes are intended to go after specific targets such as was done when the terrorists ran back into Myanmar. The Pakistani terrorists were killed during the operation, so why would India launch a surgical strike?

Do you mean India going after terrorist factories in Pakistan? That is Pakistan's responsibility, unless you are saying Pak govt continues to be incapable of handling its job? Between the zarb-e-ops and your general & PM's recent vows to cooperate in killing terrorists, we have to give that a chance

Its not yet proven by any means that these attackers were Pakistani or Pak supported .
They can be from Kashmiri freedom movement or Khalistani movement or the same maosits guys you mentioned in your post .

But this thread is about the fall out if due to any reason India go with the offensive making this or any other incident an excuse.
 
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Surgical strikes inside Pakistan from India. The reaction will be an all out war, India knows it, US knows it and Pakistan knows it. Anybody suggesting surgical strikes is actually suggesting trouble for whole region.
Surgical strikes was silly phrase stated by John Mcain during Mumbai attack,

Funny this phrase even after 7 years is still discussed.
 
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It is surprising and shocking to see that there are idiots who still believe this is a false flag...
 
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During both 1965 and 1971 war, China supplied weapons to Pakistan.

History is a witness to how well that went :D

In 65 our air power destroyed yours but militaries were equal as no one gained any ground in other country .In 71 it was a political and military clash which had different pretexts and differents outcomes and it never became a full fledged war especially on western front.
Don't want to go into that as that's been discussed many times .

Btw Chinese have upgraded themselves a lot more in last few decades and the whole world is witness to that . No wonder all the standoff at LAC are dealt with absolute caution by India and mostly in favor of Chinese.

As in 62 even with those obsolete weapons they had the Indians running for their lives.
 
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