Indian Sikh exposed India and praised Imran khan

[Raj-Hindustani]

1st please check the source of YouTube.

Now, you PDf is becoming part of fake news and source...

He is a Pakistani idiot, who makes videos by becoming Hindu, Sikh etc... He is just selling his videos on YouTube with help from Pakistani audience.

Even your super duper media, take him seriously... Hahaha

 

[IndoCarib]

Bro no need to overdo it. I have seen sikh POWs taken by both Japanese and Pakistanis.

They are no doubt a great people and have more marital acumen on average in their psyche etc... but its not a full on absolute thing to this.

There are similarly many brave people from all backgrounds and groups. Point is to have system in country that best finds them and taps into them....whomever and wherever they are from in the nation.

I was very fascinated by the story of the movie 'Kesari'. 21 Sikhs took on 10,000 Afghan Tribesmen in the Battle of Saragahi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saragarhi

 

[Nilgiri]

Read post no 26 .

I did...nothing relevant there....as you are extrapolating 1 case to everyone...and asserting this faulty "fake vs real" sikh thing on that basis.

Its not can of worms Pakistanis should open tbh, given what happened in East Pakistan and many (formerly) loyal East Pakistanis that turned against Yahya Khan+Bhutto and fauj....at far far greater scale and consequence (on the map for all to see).

Should we similarly extrapolate that 100% to loyal Bengali Pakistanis that have made their livelihoods in Pakistan today?

I think not.

It is specifically why I mentioned Brar and Gill. There are many many more...both then and today.

If you want to try equal-equal on it anyway in something approaching credible way....Pakistan can simply first put a Bengali Pakistan today as PM for two terms (or even have some as political leaders or major voices in the field wielding power)....since we have done so for sardarji. Then we can proceed from there.

 

[Ace of Spades]

If you want to try equal-equal on it anyway in something approaching credible way....Pakistan can simply first put a Bengali Pakistan today as PM for two terms (or even have some as political leaders or major voices in the field wielding power)....since we have done so for sardarji. Then we can proceed from there.

Very irrelevant comparison. You are comparing apples with oranges. Bangali Pakistanis are 0.6% of Pakistan's population with no political basis. Now search a bit people from ethnicities who are not high in numbers but have significant political ground became prime ministers in Pakistan, as is the case with sikhs in India.

 

[Nilgiri]

Bangali Pakistanis are 0.6% of Pakistan's population

...and what is the scale of Sikh population in India as %?

Now search a bit people from ethnicities who are not high in numbers but have significant political ground became prime ministers in Pakistan, as is the case with sikhs in India.

Well context is those that were in some asserted open/closed/grey rebellion against a country to then label bunches as "real" and "fake" on sides they picked.

That doesnt go for every larger group in Pakistan does it?....except for notably one....of arguably greatest consequence to its original founding concept.

Hence we would need some rough inarguable (for all sides) contours to then have further comparison imo. If it's not there...there is not real much point in the discussion as it will just be two polar opposite perspectives on the matter.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Hence we would need some rough inarguable (for all sides) contours to then have further comparison imo. If it's not there...there is not real much point in the discussion as it will just be two polar opposite perspectives on the matter.

It's not there; hence quite irrelevant. Local populace stays part of India, with having a major state with political say and stakes. Not the case with bangalis in Pakistan who are mere migrants.

...and what is the scale of Sikh population in India as %?

It boils down to political influence; in Pakistan's case bangali population can't even elect mayor of Karachi just by their votes; maximum may be a consular of their area. Hence can't be compared.

 

[SecularNationalist]

He is a Pakistani idiot, who makes videos by becoming Hindu, Sikh etc

That's cute
Your frustration is evident

 

[KhanBaba2]

The 1984 anti Sikh riots were Congress goons against Sikhs. They included Hindus and Muslim goons. The RSS and its associated organizations were supporting the Sikhs. The BJP was a pretty minor party then.

Today Punjab has elected Congress to rule it. Pakistan's great friend Navjot Singh Sidhu is also from the Congress. So maybe the 1984 riots no longer creates the same sort of emotions in the Sikhs as it did earlier.

Sikhs and Muslims have a history. People need to read the history of Guru Arjan Dev and Guru Tej Bahadur and their deaths.

Ranjit Singh converted the courtyard of the Badshahi mosque in Lahore as a stable.

The partition violence happened mostly in Punjab and was to a large extent between the Sikhs and the Muslims.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yes I've also read that.
He surely visited Baghdad but story of his kabbah visit and performing Hajj is not certain. Or maybe in those days there was no such criteria of being a Muslim to visit kabbah. He was traveling and exploring the world those days.


Read post no 26 .

Guru Nanak was a Muslim and a Sufi, he made Hajj and idolized Islamic scholars. His faith is clear.

Eventually his followers were influenced by Hindus and later Gurus tried to supplant Mughals, for which they were treated as rebellions.

The British and Hindus reignited Sikhs to fight Muslims and brought them back after Sultan Aurangzeb had converted majority of them to Islam. Some Hindu families gave their first born sons to Sikhs to repopulate them.

In partition, similarly Hindu radicals egged on Sikhs to try to undo Pakistan and change borders by blood, with full British blessings.

Oye veereya, vaddi changi galan kithion.

Hun puri dunya nu yakeen avey, vahid ikki rasta hovey.

Modi o RSS nu mitthana, sub di vaddi sadqat jariyat heggi.

Salute to this great Sikh friend.

 

[Cliftonite]

Was apt to have a Sikh take niazi's signature (purely for autograph purposes of course) in Dhaka.

Then niazi's fellas (of course totally and suddenly unrepresentative of larger group they're from...overnight) all chucked their pistols on the grass in the maidan outside....and got marched into trains and boats till a stamp comes out pleading for their release from pure glorious homefront. What final resolute bravery....chest thumping of "1000 years" was well worth it...clearly.

Just like those that give huge spiel here in echo chamber because they have to remember all of that (consciously or subconsciously)...it was all just fun that means nothing after all.....including the celebrations that went along with it by the large masses of faith-bros over there...and whichever faith-proxies their feelz must call for.

Those videos and comments on YT regarding that all...damn! Sucks for one side (clearly!) when things arent an echo chamber doesnt it? Or the world map shining through in "golden way" as Tagore put into his song that became the anthem there afterwards.

That too lotta "fake sikhs" like Brar and Gill and tons of others afterwards (and why they are much more relevant to this discussion...but aren't even known by 99% of the emotional tantrum types and spam accounts)....fake fake fake LOL.

This is ultimate underlying reason for real concrete+mortar compared to drywall plaster for another....

Lol look at this Bharati trying to Star Plus dramatize the 1971 war. My vegetarian friend we moved on, we have no qualms about it, we wish our Bangladeshi friends nothing but the best. It was the doing of our Bangladeshi brothers, you guys were nothing but intermediaries aka dalaals. Don't act like you 'defeated' us.

The 1984 anti Sikh riots were Congress goons against Sikhs. They included Hindus and Muslim goons. The RSS and its associated organizations were supporting the Sikhs. The BJP was a pretty minor party then.

Today Punjab has elected Congress to rule it. Pakistan's great friend Navjot Singh Sidhu is also from the Congress. So maybe the 1984 riots no longer creates the same sort of emotions in the Sikhs as it did earlier.

Sikhs and Muslims have a history. People need to read the history of Guru Arjan Dev and Guru Tej Bahadur and their deaths.

Ranjit Singh converted the courtyard of the Badshahi mosque in Lahore as a stable.

The partition violence happened mostly in Punjab and was to a large extent between the Sikhs and the Muslims.

Lol have you seen how insecure your media gets about Sidhu? He's been labelled a Khalistani to a spy to an ISI agent. Clearly you're not as secure as you make yourself out to be.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Lol have you seen how insecure your media gets about Sidhu? He's been labelled a Khalistani to a spy to an ISI agent. Clearly you're not as secure as you make yourself out to be.

Can you point out where I have called Sidhu a Khalistani or an ISI agent.

We can if you want discuss whether he is a great friend of Pakistan or not. And if he is from the Congress or not. Those are the two statements I made.

 

[Jackdaws]

Lol look at this Bharati trying to Star Plus dramatize the 1971 war. My vegetarian friend we moved on, we have no qualms about it, we wish our Bangladeshi friends nothing but the best. It was the doing of our Bangladeshi brothers, you guys were nothing but intermediaries aka dalaals. Don't act like you 'defeated' us.




Lol have you seen how insecure your media gets about Sidhu? He's been labelled a Khalistani to a spy to an ISI agent. Clearly you're not as secure as you make yourself out to be.

As if you had a choice but to move on. Oh, and yes we defeated you just like in Kargil.

 

[Cliftonite]

As if you had a choice but to move on. Oh, and yes we defeated you just like in Kargil.

'You' didn't defeat us. You played a typical Star Plus bahu as Indians are used to doing, basically aag lagana. It was all the missteps of Yahya Khan and Bhutto. But seriously you have to come to Pakistan and see the sentiment here. Except for some of the older generation literally no one born after 1970 even thinks twice of Bangladesh. We think about them like any other Muslim country like Malaysia or Iran. It's you Bharatis who keep crying over 1947 and Bharat Mata being split up. Such a fool.

As if you had a choice but to move on. Oh, and yes we defeated you just like in Kargil.

And we may have 'lost' Kargil, but you lost the heart of millions of Kashmiris in the process. Imagine. 12 million people in your country who will never consider themselves part of you. And the way you're going you might do that to a further 250 million. Typical Bharati running his mouth off.

 

[Jackdaws]

'You' didn't defeat us. You played a typical Star Plus bahu as Indians are used to doing, basically aag lagana. It was all the missteps of Yahya Khan and Bhutto. But seriously you have to come to Pakistan and see the sentiment here. Except for some of the older generation literally no one born after 1970 even thinks twice of Bangladesh. We think about like any other Muslim country like Malaysia or Iran. It's you Bharatis who keep crying over 1947 and Bharat Mata being split up. Such a fool.

I don't watch Star plus so I will defer to your expertise on how bahus behave on Indian tv.

Nope. It was 10 million refugees who poured into India. And you signed the Treaty of Surrender and it was the Indian soldiers who ensured that Pakistanis didn't get butchered by the Mukti Bahini. You should be grateful to Indian forces.

And yes, you lost. To India.

It doesn't matter what the younger generation of Pakistanis think. Not our concern.

'You' didn't defeat us. You played a typical Star Plus bahu as Indians are used to doing, basically aag lagana. It was all the missteps of Yahya Khan and Bhutto. But seriously you have to come to Pakistan and see the sentiment here. Except for some of the older generation literally no one born after 1970 even thinks twice of Bangladesh. We think about them like any other Muslim country like Malaysia or Iran. It's you Bharatis who keep crying over 1947 and Bharat Mata being split up. Such a fool.


And we may have 'lost' Kargil, but you lost the heart of millions of Kashmiris in the process. Imagine. 12 million people in your country who will never consider themselves part of you. And the way you're going you might do that to a further 250 million. Typical Bharati running his mouth off.

How old are you?

 

[Cliftonite]

I don't watch Star plus so I will defer to your expertise on how bahus behave on Indian tv.

Nope. It was 10 million refugees who poured into India. And you signed the Treaty of Surrender and it was the Indian soldiers who ensured that Pakistanis didn't get butchered by the Mukti Bahini. You should be grateful to Indian forces.

And yes, you lost. To India.

It doesn't matter what the younger generation of Pakistanis think. Not our concern.



How old are you?

You say you don't care. Yet you keep bringing it up every chance you get. For the last time it was not India who defeated us, it was Bangladesh. Stop taking credit for what you didn't do. And btw hasn't Bangladesh become India's Frankenstein? So many Bengalis have crossed over into W.B and Assam those states probably are 40-45% Muslim already. What we couldn't do militarily, they did demographically. That's why you're shitting yourself over this NRC CAA drama.