Indian Rafale Jets Would Have Been Useless Against Chinese Airforce – Russia Experts

[Hindustani78]

ASIA PACIFIC
Indian Rafale Jets Would Have Been Useless Against Chinese Airforce – Russia Experts
July 10, 2020
By EurAsian Times Desk
Rafale jets would have been useless against the Chinese Airforce (PLAAF) – Russian aviation experts have claimed. Rafale fighter jets belong to the 4 ++ generation would not have been of much use had an aerial conflict broken out in Ladakh again the PLAAF.

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As reported by EurAsian Times, India and China had been engaged in a brutal conflict in the Himalayan region of Ladakh. Troops of both countries have exchanged blows and even lost soldiers in the conflict that began more than a month ago

Keeping in mind the situation in Ladakh, France said that it would accelerate the delivery of Rafale fighter jets to India. Aviation experts believe that the arrival of Rafale fighter jets will significantly boost the combat capability of the Indian Air Force (IAF). However, according to Russian experts, who did not wish to be named, the French fighter would not help India much incase the conflict turns hot.

The astronomical cost of Rafale fighter jets is one of the reasons the French 4++ fighter jet would not help India. In the deal struck with Paris, New Delhi agreed to purchase 36 Rafale Jets. The total cost of the deal was an estimated Rs 59,000 crore with each jet costing around Rs 1,646 crore.

The cost of a Rafale is about three times higher than the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter jets. In other words, for 36 French-made Rafale fighters that will appear in the Indian Air Force, China can respond with three times as many of its fifth-generation J-20 fighters – for the same money.

Even if, in some ways, the characteristics of the Chinese combat aircraft lag behind the French 4 ++ fighter jet, then the Indian air force could get overwhelmed by what is called “capable of crushing by quantity”.

And the cost is not the only reason why Rafale jets would not help India much. Compared to another Chinese jet – J-16 (an analogue of the Russian Su-35) which Beijing is also using in its airforce, the Rafale jets will find it extremely challenging to outgun the Russian Su-35s operated by the Chinese.

The maximum speed of the Rafale jet is about Mach 1.8 and the J-16 is Mach 2.2. The Rafale’s practical ceiling is also lower than the J-16s. Even in engine thrust, the Chinese J-16s aka Russian Su-35s are far superior to the French combat aircraft.

Even if the IAF was to deploy all 36 of its newly acquired jets, the technical superiority would still be on the side of China, claims the Russian expert.

The IAF has been on high alert in Ladakh and is closely monitoring all Chinese activity near the Line of Control. As reported by EurAsian Times, New Delhi has inked a deal with Moscow to buy 33 new fighter aircraft including 12 Su-30MKIs and 21 MiG-29s along with up-gradation of 59 MiG-29s. The addition and up-gradation of jets have been approved to strengthen India’s air power.

The air defence systems of both the Indian Army and the IAF have been deployed in Ladakh to prevent any misadventure by the Chinese Air Force fighter jets or the People’s Liberation Army choppers there.

https://eurasiantimes.com/indian-ra...less-against-chinese-airforce-russia-experts/

Chinese Military Advisors and Rus Federation Military Advisors are well aware that the French Defense Industries - Dassault Aviation - Rafale will not change much reality on ground against the Arab League, Turkiye and Indian Armed Forces !!!!

European Military Powers Defense Industries are lagging behind atleast 2 Decades in almost Every Defense Sectors !!!! European Military Powers Submarines and Naval Vessels are being coming under daily fire of the Allied Nations !!! United Kingdom Naval Forces is banking on Rus Federation Navy in English Channel where as Chinese Navy is assisting United Kingdom Overseas Territories- Australia and New Zealand !!!!

Ballistic Missile Defense Shield is being placed by Chinese and Rus Federation be that Federal Republic of Germany; Kingdom of Spain; Kingdom of Italy and this Ballistic Missile Defense Shield even covers Kingdom of Portugal.

United Kingdom Overseas Territories- Australia and New Zealand are being covered by Chinese Ballistic Missile Defense Shield !!!!!

If Rus Federation and China will not provide Full Transfer of Technologies to European Military Powers then those Technologies will be stolen from the Rus and Chinese Equipment directly by the European Military Powers !!!! Are Chinese and Rus Federation Soldiers are still willing to die for the Europe !!!!!

Not my logic, those are the assessment of Russian experts, no one knows Indian military capabilities better than Russians.

Rus Federation Experts can claim anything !!!!

Got ripped off again? How come a 3rd Gen jet can cost this much?

Indian Air Force - Raayala Aircrafts are 4.5 Generation !!!! For sure You will be made aware during the Air Combats !!!! Welcome to Hindustan

Got ripped off again? How come a 3rd Gen jet can cost this much?

Indian Air Force - Raayala Aircrafts are 4.5 Generation !!!! For sure You will be made aware during the Air Combats !!!! Welcome to Hindustan

nothing would have changed as long as they don't ditch this "Game changer" mentality.

Game Changer Mentality is there because of Great Game Mentality !!!!!

Hindu Nation is always aware about all the Enemy Mentality !!!!

By your same logic, PLAF can easily defeat USAF and F-22 raptors are useless against China because they cost 6x more than J 20.

United States of America Military thought that Kingdom of Japan; Republic of Philippines and Taiwan are the only Table Talks Issues with the Chinese Military !!!!

Chinese Military is already visible around Alaska; France and even Germany !!!!

Question is this that Chinese Military is prepared but what about United States of America Military ???? Kingdom of Japan Military will fight on the own by keeping the Command under Japanese Control !!!! Similar like the Turks, Arabs and Indians !!!!

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

the rafale has only been combat-proven....








....against ak-47-welding insurgents in the deserts of libya and syria


8 billion+ for only 36 planes =

 

[Hindustani78]

One thing I always wonder is why there so much hype in India about Rafale Jets. I mean what extra do they bring to IAF which is more capable than what rest of the world has. Yes they are better than the existing inventory of IAF but in regards to rest of the world what is edge they have?

Indian Air Force - Raayala Aircrafts are New Prototype Produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited !!!!!

Talk is this, are Raayala the New Bridegroom of Indian Air Force and can Assist the Real Bridegroom of Indian Air Force - Maruts ?????

todays Indians forget their lesson of 1962. They are itching for another lesson. Modi know that hIndia will lose. But he would use that to win another election. So a conflict with China is 4 years away.

Actually the Chinese Military Veterans should remember the Courage and Bravery of the Indian Army !!!! Chinese Military Veterans are aware why Indian Nation is fighting for !!!!!! Deen e Arya & Deen e Islam Soldiers are Fighting on all the Frontlines together !!!!

I cannot blame them for not liking the Su-57 and pulling out of the deal. It is extremely clear the fighter has a lot of problems, especially in the stealth and avionics department. And I really can't see how the Su-57 can improve much from here given the inefficiencies of the Russian aviation industry + the technology limitations. With that being said, it is still the Indians best shot at countering the J-20 by far, even if it is not really a 5th generation fighter.

The Liking of Jiang Federation / JF-20 & Rus Federation Cy-57 by the European Military Powers Experts is visible everywhere.

The Liking of F-35 by the European Military Powers Experts are even understandable; Everywhere ToT; ToT and ToT !!!!!!

 

[Incog_nito]

ASIA PACIFIC
Indian Rafale Jets Would Have Been Useless Against Chinese Airforce – Russia Experts
July 10, 2020
By EurAsian Times Desk
Rafale jets would have been useless against the Chinese Airforce (PLAAF) – Russian aviation experts have claimed. Rafale fighter jets belong to the 4 ++ generation would not have been of much use had an aerial conflict broken out in Ladakh again the PLAAF.

JF-17 vs Rafale: Why Pakistani JF-17 Thunder Poses A Serious Threat To Indian Rafale Fighter Jets?


As reported by EurAsian Times, India and China had been engaged in a brutal conflict in the Himalayan region of Ladakh. Troops of both countries have exchanged blows and even lost soldiers in the conflict that began more than a month ago

Keeping in mind the situation in Ladakh, France said that it would accelerate the delivery of Rafale fighter jets to India. Aviation experts believe that the arrival of Rafale fighter jets will significantly boost the combat capability of the Indian Air Force (IAF). However, according to Russian experts, who did not wish to be named, the French fighter would not help India much incase the conflict turns hot.

The astronomical cost of Rafale fighter jets is one of the reasons the French 4++ fighter jet would not help India. In the deal struck with Paris, New Delhi agreed to purchase 36 Rafale Jets. The total cost of the deal was an estimated Rs 59,000 crore with each jet costing around Rs 1,646 crore.

The cost of a Rafale is about three times higher than the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter jets. In other words, for 36 French-made Rafale fighters that will appear in the Indian Air Force, China can respond with three times as many of its fifth-generation J-20 fighters – for the same money.

Even if, in some ways, the characteristics of the Chinese combat aircraft lag behind the French 4 ++ fighter jet, then the Indian air force could get overwhelmed by what is called “capable of crushing by quantity”.

And the cost is not the only reason why Rafale jets would not help India much. Compared to another Chinese jet – J-16 (an analogue of the Russian Su-35) which Beijing is also using in its airforce, the Rafale jets will find it extremely challenging to outgun the Russian Su-35s operated by the Chinese.

The maximum speed of the Rafale jet is about Mach 1.8 and the J-16 is Mach 2.2. The Rafale’s practical ceiling is also lower than the J-16s. Even in engine thrust, the Chinese J-16s aka Russian Su-35s are far superior to the French combat aircraft.

Even if the IAF was to deploy all 36 of its newly acquired jets, the technical superiority would still be on the side of China, claims the Russian expert.

The IAF has been on high alert in Ladakh and is closely monitoring all Chinese activity near the Line of Control. As reported by EurAsian Times, New Delhi has inked a deal with Moscow to buy 33 new fighter aircraft including 12 Su-30MKIs and 21 MiG-29s along with up-gradation of 59 MiG-29s. The addition and up-gradation of jets have been approved to strengthen India’s air power.

The air defence systems of both the Indian Army and the IAF have been deployed in Ladakh to prevent any misadventure by the Chinese Air Force fighter jets or the People’s Liberation Army choppers there.

https://eurasiantimes.com/indian-ra...less-against-chinese-airforce-russia-experts/

Totally BS.

Rafaels & EF-2000s and even the Gripen E/Fs are very potent aircraft to fight against Chinese in Air, Ground, or even at Sea.

IAF is keen to acquire these platforms and I'm sure it's all in the pipeline.

I'm not saying F-15s, F-16s, & F-18s aren't but India isn't negotiation for them at the moment.

F-18s might come to India soon with carrier options.

 

[Figaro]

Totally BS.

Rafaels & EF-2000s and even the Gripen E/Fs are very potent aircraft to fight against Chinese in Air, Ground, or even at Sea.

IAF is keen to acquire these platforms and I'm sure it's all in the pipeline.

I'm not saying F-15s, F-16s, & F-18s aren't but India isn't negotiation for them at the moment.

F-18s might come to India soon with carrier options.

The Russians are salty that they weren't able to rip off the Indians as successfully as the French lol

 

[HalfMoon]

One thing I always wonder is why there so much hype in India about Rafale Jets. I mean what extra do they bring to IAF which is more capable than what rest of the world has. Yes they are better than the existing inventory of IAF but in regards to rest of the world what is edge they have?

Anything India buys is special.

They really should invest in Su-57, which might come up a better plane by now, putting feets on the ground is never their thing, I guess.

Modi did many blunders but dumping SU-57 is surely on of the the biggest.

 

[ToddBing]

Actually the Chinese Military Veterans should remember the Courage and Bravery of the Indian Army !!!! Chinese Military Veterans are aware why Indian Nation is fighting for !!!!!! Deen e Arya & Deen e Islam Soldiers are Fighting on all the Frontlines together !!!!

Of course we always remember the "courage" and "bravery" of the Indian army.

and they really live a happy life during their captive life.

 

[Hindustani78]

Of course we always remember the "courage" and "bravery" of the Indian army.

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and they really live a happy life during their captive life.
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Chinese are Japanese are having different facial features but in PR campaign even the Japanese Soldiers are being shown as Chinese Soldiers !!! Azad Hind Fauj do have all the memories of those Battles !!!! Manchuria !!!!

 

[letsrock]

nothing would have changed as long as they don't ditch this "Game changer" mentality.

Being a primitive people they have great faith in magic.

India is being dragged into an arm race that it can't afford. This "penny wise pound foolish" country just can't see what it's got itself into for the land they've never owned. I don't think they ever had a full retrospect of the 1962 border war.

India's own official report is hidden from Indian people themselves. One weird country which preaches freedom of expression and blah blah blah to world.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Got ripped off again? How come a 3rd Gen jet can cost this much?

The French arms industry is known for its rippers plus the cost is inflated to allow for kick backs for modi and his corrupt freinds in the government.

 

[Incog_nito]

The Russians are salty that they weren't able to rip off the Indians as successfully as the French lol

I have heard that IAF is about to order another 36 Rafaels and is seeking some 100+ Aircraft from other suppliers.

 

[rott]

Cite the source ... your stupidity is becoming more evident through your posts. I really think you should stop so you won't come off any dumber than you already are lol.

The fastest organ in a human body is the brains. But for the Indians, it's the mouth. It's faster than the brain.

 

[Han Patriot]

I wonder how you have so much free time to be spewing out these trashy threads

By your same logic, PLAF can easily defeat USAF and F-22 raptors are useless against China because they cost 6x more than J 20.

This is what I called the typical Indian logic, with such an expensive price, you are only getting a gen 4 plane with ko stealth features, people are paying top dollars for F22 due to the stealth features. It's like saying some one paying 100 bucks for ferrari is the same as someone paying 100 bucks for a maruti suzuki. Lolol

 

[Figaro]

This is what I called the typical Indian logic, with such an expensive price, you are only getting a gen 4 plane with ko stealth features, people are paying top dollars for F22 due to the stealth features. It's like saying some one paying 100 bucks for ferrari is the same as someone paying 100 bucks for a maruti suzuki. Lolol

Tbh though I doubt the J-20 costs 1/6 or the F-22 even in absolute dollar terms (not counting PPP). 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost would already be very impressive given the materials used on these fifty gen fighters.

 

[Han Patriot]

Tbh though I doubt the J-20 costs 1/6 or the F-22 even in absolute dollar terms (not counting PPP). 1/2 to 1/3 of the cost would already be very impressive given the materials used on these fifty gen fighters.

Yup I think it's a third to half. The same goes for ships etc. The MIC in US is milking the state treasury, weapons are overpriced. How do you think they burned 1trillion in Iraq, could have built them a decent subway, repair highways, infrastructure etc. Americans are war mongers