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Indian phone makers leave China to build at home

Replacing china is the first obvious step, and the easiest one.

The top end design capabilities still lie in US and Europe (Intel, Apple, Google et al), and top end manufacturing facilities lie in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

Buying the components from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan and cutting out the china-piece is an obvious first step, since its only assembling of components.

Infact that's already happening at a significant scale. My brother (settled in USA), had his first Nokia phone, when he was a student, with a Made in India tag.

Indian R&D units are already deep into the design part, esp those of western MNCs such as Intel.

That leaves the hardware manufacturing part, which is currently mostly in the domain of South Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Not china's. To illustrate, less than $5 of value is added in china in the $500 iPhone (rest all is Apple's profits or components sourced from outside china, mainly SK, Japan and Taiwan).

India's domestic market itself is huge - just let competition flourish .. the Micromaxx, Karbonn, Simmtronics et al with soon be mass producing the components as well.
 
Good work by GOI to control trade deficit with China:cheers:


So many companies are leaving China due to increasing production costs:) This is a good opportunity for India to attract FDI.

I agree.

But we need massive, massive manufacturing capability to match China. They expertly built their manufacturing infrastructure while we were busy with IT and other outsourcing service industries. It will take a very, very robust government with decisive plans, to setup that kind of infrastructure like roads and better connectivity.

People will not just make a beeline in a remote Himalayan village for jobs; these factories need to be on the plains as it will be good for the ecology of Himalayas as well as would make better logistical sense for the potential job seekers.
 
This is going to back fire Big time

import tax in India

GOI wants the cake and eat it too. what happens when china and other effected countries by this tax applies the same to imports from India?
 
@liall Let me put my point in detail. China's economic boom is mainly due to Infra with in China , Export- Cheep labour force in turn cheep goods , Undervalued Chinese currency etc. These are three main pillar of chinese growth for the past 40+ years or so.

Now what is wrong with China's economy today and in future ? : Since chinese already invested many billions perhaps trillions into building NEW CHINA. Its already the best in the world. But whats is happening now is What will happen to the millions of labour force who worked for these infra projects if there is no more new projects. I say no more it means decrease in such projects. So china is adopting new way to get these labour force paid.Do you know what it is ? Destroy the newly built building and Bridges and built a new one :) Am not making it up but its true. So from now on Chinese are messing it up.Just to keep their Job Security afloat. Will it work? May be for a while but not in long term.

Major problem China is and Will face is its aging Chinese population. I dont kn ow about Canada but Sure u know abt USA's pension problems. Its a big Frankenstin monstr for any Nation. China will have the world's largest old population in the world. Thanks to chinese medicare :P

Now lets come to ur analysis on Production : You , Me or anyone will buy chinese products not because its of good quality but because its cheep. Just google it on protest taken place in China by Workers to increase their wages. Today china is developed
(-) Minus country . To be fair. Its still not a developing. Chinese economy boost increased the demand for HIGH LIFE STYLE. More and More people now want highly paid jobs but before they wr happy to work for cheep Pay. This will leads to increase in production price. Which will challenge Chinese products at global stag. If am understood properly You said the same i guess. But you are naive to the facts that Its the also the problem caused due to all arround Problems of CHINA. Hope you will change ur thoughts on Chinese Bubble Growth waiting to burst. China need to move outside its border and for infra projects to keep their economy afloat. Now China's GDP is 7.5% and it is ment to decrease in comming years.

Sure India will keep cashing IN,.So far India is been a Service Hub not the Manufacturing Hub. But now Indian Bussiness Community inside and Outside India wants the Govt of India to have good and Sensible response towards Manufaturing Sector. India will have nearly 600 Million under 27-35 which will be so till 2050 or 2070 . So India got huge working population , Money , Resources What else We need for a Next Super Hub for Industries ? Companies are very cleaver and Known about these fact they are starting invest more into Indian Economy. Its 1.2 Billion people ready to spend their Money . Its win win for both Consumer and Seller . Its great future for India . I really belive. India just need a Decent Well educated, Development oriented Leader To Make Use of this great Advantage India Has . Hope It will be Narendra Modi in 2014




This is a very dumb "explanation" :lol: , appearing mainly in western main stream media originally written by some folks with next to zero knowledge on finance and int'l trade, being recycled later on endlessly by people with avg IQ typically below 85. Let me debunk it briefly.


Here is why:


1. Aging is NOT a problem for CHina, AT ALL, when look at it sriously. So called China´s aging problem is merely a Western propaganda, a feel-good mass media brainwash tool, used to counter China´s oeverwhelming int´l market recognition and monoply.


Many easy solutions for that, when needed only, some really quick. it's because

A, China still has many large reserved population in the west region

B, productivity and new tech such as more and better robots are increasing (both factors require high average IQ and sheer discipline and diligence of the underlying hard-working work force) by leaps and bounds so that the same worker tomorrow can produce more and even better goods with the same input.

C. China can relax 1 child policy any time as it sees fit.




2. there're many more and better ways to get China's workers paid, other than "Indian style" of destroying the old ones and rebuild.



This is because

A, The Western part and the Northern part of China alone require decades of work/investments on infras to be as world class as their counterparts in the East and South.

B, due to high average IQ of Chinese population, increasingly better avg education level, (evidenced both PISA and TIMSS) enables an average Chinese worker a fast track to increase self-worth in the int´l market (evidenced by fast increase of avg salary) thus increasingly competing with ones in the higher value chain.



3. any natural loss of Chinese manufactory export to a third country is a VERY GOOD thing for China as a whole and in a long run.



This is because

A. any such a loss will reduce the corresponding bad side effects such as pollution which in the long term would take much more than temp profits gained to clean up. so the Chinese will benefit with cleaner environment, better quality of life and life span.

And B. such a loss will act as a catalyst forcing its work force to step up into higher value chain in int´l mkt, which is mostly based on higher value added activities based mainly on owning large No. of technology patents (evidenced by China´s overall patents and stunning annual avg rate of growth which is still on going strong!)



4. the lost exports will mostly likely go to SE Asia such as Vietnam, Thai, Malaysia, Indonesia rather than to India. The reason is fairly simple, for any IQ larger than 90 of course- it´s because


A. The will-be-lost, and many-already lost, exports are mainly very low value added and heavily polluted productions such as simple snickers, t-shirts, socks, simple tools, etc. that China is unwilling to accept to be shifted into her west regions. These items, as any others, require their own eco system to survive. Many parts of SE Asia, being at least 15 years ahead of India in industrialisation, have already have these in place. No company is willing to invest on its own on basic and reliable infras needed in India, the loose, lazy work ethics and low (hence more expansive )entry level training of avg indian work force aside.

And B. due to heavy overseas Chinese presence and traditional networks, these SE Asia countries have very good management on the top (usually being some Han Chinese)and less lazy but more intelligent avg work force in the middle and at the bottom (with avg IQ from mid/high 80s, to mid 90s such as northern Vietnam), in comparison to India. India just can not compete with them.


So all in all, any calculated / deliberate loss of China’s export will directly and almost exclusively benefit the nearby SE Asian countries, before perhaps some Latin American countries kicking in... India is WAY back in this packing order due to A. low avg IQ and utter corrupted top `high` caste Indian management. B. low avg IQ and quite lazy Indian work force below it.




5. Dumb people usually think that Labour cost = Production cost. :rofl:


Heck NO!

Salary in low manufacturing business is usually about 10% with mid-high level less than only about 7 % of the total production cost! The bigger parts are material cost (shot up by associated hardware/infras), basic hardcore and soft infras depreciation!, transport(again, infras!), management, etc.

In many cases even China´s workforce 2X or 3X more expansive than today, the unit cost , aka competitiveness, it enjoys is still overwhelming compared to India even helped by much much lower labour costs, due to much higher productivity, perhaps 20X larger, fuller, more mature and thus better economy of scales and associated countless mini eco systems, and perhaps most importantly 10X more disciplined, diligent, flexible and ambitious work force with avg IQ at least 2SD higher, which make possible highly fluent, efficient and hence constantly and quickly improved work flow, quality control, on-the-job training, upgrades of production lines, timely delivery, trust/brand building, etc. etc. that exemplify the very essence of what is 21st century manufacturing.


...


NO NO, genius, there are at least 10 friggin entire icebergs in the “world of competitiveness ” beneath that simple and tiny “labour cost”, otherwise countries such as Germany would have gone busted long ago as German labour cost is amongst the highest in the world.


And in that full picture, India’s future is much dimmer than ANY banana republic of the day, to be frank --- e.g. the PISA performance of avg 15-year-olds from Panama Republic, a below avg figure amonst banana repuclics, was infinitely better than the 2 of the best Indian states on ALL accounts: science, math and reading, almost like pitting a smartend-up Arnold Schwarzenegger against a retarded Danny di Vito.
 
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This is a very dumb "explanation" :lol: , appearing mainly in western main stream media originally written by some folks with next to zero knowledge on finance and int'l trade, being recycled later on endlessly by people with avg IQ typically below 85. Let me debunk it briefly.


Here is why:


1. Aging is a serious problem for CHina, AT ALL. So called China´s aging problem is merely a Western propaganda, a feel-good mass media brainwash tool, used to counter China´s oeverwhelming int´l market recognition and monoply.


Many easy solutions for that, when needed only, some really quick. it's because A, China still has many large reserved population in the west region B, productivity and new tech such as more and better robots are increasing (both factors require high average IQ and sheer discipline and diligence of the underlying hard-working work force) by leaps and bounds so that the same worker tomorrow can produce more and even better goods with the same input.



2. there're many more and better ways to get China's workers paid, other than "Indian style" of destroying the old ones and rebuild.



This is because A, The Western part and the Northern part of China alone require decades of work/investments on infras to be as world class as their counterparts in the East and South. B, due to high average IQ of Chinese population, increasingly better avg education level, (evidenced both PISA and TIMSS) enables an average Chinese worker a fast track to increase self-worth in the int´l market (evidenced by fast increase of avg salary) thus increasingly competing with ones in the higher value chain.



3. any natural loss of Chinese manufactory export to a third country is a VERY GODD thing for China as a while and in a long run.



This is because A. any such a loss will reduce the corresponding bad side effects such as pollution which in the long term would take much more than temp profits gained to clean up. so the Chinese will benefit with cleaner environment, better quality of life and life span. And B. such a loss will act as a catalyst forcing its work force to step up into higher value chain in int´l mkt, which is mostly based on higher value added activities based mainly on owning large No. of technology patents (evidenced by China´s overall patents and stunning annual avg rate of growth which is still on going strong!)



4. the lost exports will mostly likely go to SE Asia such as Vietnam, Thai, Malaysia, Indonesia rather than to India. The reason is fairly simple, for any IQ=90 of course- it´s because


A. The will-be-lost, and many-already lost, exports are mainly very low value added and heavily polluted productions such as simple snickers, t-shirts, socks, simple tools, etc. that China is unwilling to accept to be shifted into her west regions. These items, as any others, require their won eco system to survive. Many parts of SE Asia, being at least 15 years ahead of India in industrialisation, have already have these micro eco system, with infras as a big part, in place. No company is willing to invest on its own on basic and reliable infras needed in India. And B. due to heavy overseas Chinese presence and traditional networks, these SE Asia countries have very good management on the top (usually being some Han Chinese)and less lazy but more intelligent avg work force in the middle and at the bottom (with avg IQ from mid/high 80s, to mid 90s such as northern Vietnam), in comparison to India. India just can not compete with them.

So all in all, any calculated / deliberate loss of China’s export will directly and almost exclusively benefit the nearby SE Asian countries, before perhaps some Latin American countries kicking in... India is WAY back in this packing order due to A. low avg IQ and utter corrupted top `high` caste Indian management. B. low avg IQ and quite lazy Indian work force below it.




5. Dumb people usually think that work force salary = production cost. :rofl:

Heck NO!

Salary in basic manufacturing business is usually less than only about 7 %[/M] of the total production costs! The bigger parts are material cost (shot up by associated hardware/infras), basic hardcore infras depreciation!, transport(again, infras!), management, etc.

In many cases even China´s workforce 2X or 3X more expansive than today, the unit cost , aka competitiveness, it enjoys is still overwhelming compared to India even helped by much much lower labour costs, due to much higher productivity, perhaps 20X larger, fuller, more mature and thus better economy of scales and associated countless mini eco systems, and perhaps most importantly 10X more disciplined, diligent, flexible and ambitious work force with avg IQ at least 2SD higher, which make possible highly fluent, efficient and hence constantly and quickly improved work flow, quality control, on-the-job training, upgrades of production lines, timely delivery, trust/brand building, etc. etc. that exemplify the very essence of what is 21st century manufacturing.




NO NO, genius, there are 10 friggin entire icebergs in the “competitiveness world” beneath that simple and tiny “labour cost”.


And in that full picture, India’s future is much dimmer than ANY banana republic of the day, to be frank --- the performance of avg 15-years-olds from Panama Republic in PISA was infinitely better than the 2 of the best Indian states on ALL accounts: science, math and reading, almost like pitting a smart-up Arnold Schwarzenegger against a retarded Danny di Vito.


The bolded part was totally made up, or shall I say cooked. Going by that part alone, we can say your entire post is one truck load of cooked crap, much like what you cook up in your restaurant !!! :P :rofl:
 
The bolded part was totally made up, or shall I say cooked. Going by that part alone, we can say your entire post is one truck load of cooked crap, much like what you cook up in your restaurant !!! :P :rofl:

go check PISA online PDF file, you lying indian pri#k.

Replacing china is the first obvious step, and the easiest one.

this is almost as retarded as beyond redeem.

replacing china is THE hardest thing, literally a mission impossible, in modern human history.

To be honest, Indians can not even replace an indoor plumbing without asking for the free hangouts of Merlinda and Bill Gates Charity Foundation.

In your lifetime and that of your children´s , you won´t see India replaces Panama Republic in either PISA score, HDI, or less child malnutrition , lower rape cases, or GDP per cap, etc etc...

If things are as they go as today, that is if China doesn't beat up Vietnam but helps it develop, in your lifetime and that of your children´s, you won't see India replace Vietnam in almost all, if not all, above cases, either.

the number of he countries on this list is well over 100!



`Replace China`? :omghaha:

`the easiest` ?:omghaha:

`the first step`? :omghaha:

what´s your 2nd step? immigrate to outer solar system? :omghaha:
 
go check PISA online PDF file, you lying indian pri#k.



this is almost as retarded as beyond redeem.

replacing china is THE hardest thing, literally a mission impossible, in modern human history.

To be honest, Indians can not even replace an indoor plumbing without asking for the free hangouts of Merlinda and Bill Gates Charity Foundation.

In your lifetime, you won´t see India replaces Panama Republic in either PISA score, HDI, or less child malnutrition , lower rape cases, or GDP per cap, etc etc...

Replace China? :omghaha:

India participated for the first time in PISA. so we sucked

for indoor plumbing and takeaways we usually hire the best ! the chinese !! you make tiger pri*k soup in your restaurant ??
 
17 July 2013 Last updated at 11:07

China smartphone owners swell number of internet users

China now has 591 million internet users, according to the latest official figures from the country.

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Strong sales of smartphones are helping drive up the number of internet users in China

The China Internet Network Information Centre added that 464 million citizens accessed the net via smartphones or other wireless devices.

The headline figure marks a 10% rise on last year and indicates 44% of the country's population uses the web and other net services.

The rapid growth is reflected in the valuations of some local tech firms.

Earlier this week the country's most popular search engine Baidu announced it would pay $1.9bn (£1.3bn) to buy 91 Wireless Websoft, a firm that runs two app stores in the country.

A forthcoming flotation of Alibaba, the Hangzhou-based e-commerce giant, is also expected to value the firm at $62.5bn:coffee:, according to research by Bloomberg.

Western brands have also been keen to target the market, as was highlighted by football team Manchester United's decision to launch a Sina Weibo account earlier this month.

The Twitter-like micro-blogging service reported in February that it had more than 500 million registered users, with about 46 million people using the product on any given day.

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Another Chinese firm, Tencent, has said its QQ instant messaging service had an even high number - 798.2 million registered users - at the end of last year.

That is more than China's entire net population, but can be explained by the app's popularity in Indonesia and other parts of Asia as well as the fact that some mainland-based netizens would have registered multiple accounts.

The China Internet Network Information Centre's data on internet use goes back to June 2009 when it says there were 338 million people using the net on the mainland, 320 million of whom were doing so via a mobile device.

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Indians must realize and admit that they have got a long way to go before putting India and China in the same brackets or mentioning the two countries in the same breadth.
 
Indians must realize and admit that they have got a long way to go before putting India and China in the same brackets or mentioning the two countries in the same breadth.

1999 People were talking of China like this ...... we're double timing the effort.

China's Military, Take 3 | The National Interest

We did in 20 yrs that you have done in 30. Game on!
 
Ezetap launches 1st 'Made in India' mobile point of sale unit - The Economic Times

Ezetap launches 1st 'Made in India' mobile point of sale unit


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NEW DELHI: Ezetap on Monday launched the first domestically manufactured and globally certified mobile point of sale device, also known as debit or credit card swipe machine, for less than $50.

"Competing head-to-head against global payments companies using devices manufactured in China in the fast-growing Mobile Point-of-Sale market, the entire Ezetap solution from its card reader to service platform has been 100 per cent designed and developed in India," Co-Founder and CEO of Bangalore-based Ezetap, Abhijit Bose said in statement.

Over 80 per cent electronic devices required in India are imported and government has come out with hosts of incentive scheme and new policy to encourage domestic production of electronics goods.

The solution consists of a card reader that can be plugged into any smart device or feature phone, and turned into a point of sale.

Bose added that the solution is first integrated and globally certified mobile point of sale device at approximately one-third the cost of any other certified integrated mobile card reader that is commercially available.

"It is first integrated and globally certified Mobile Point of Sale Device with a price point under $50. The device is certified against global security standards and is compliant with the guidelines issued by the Reserve Bank of India," Bose said.
 
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