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IANS | Dec 12, 2011, 05.25AM IST
Palampur: Twelve years after the Kargil conflict between India and Pakistan, a new battle is on to get justice for an Indian Army officer who was tortured by Pakistani troops for days before his mutilated body was handed back.

British lawyer of Indian origin Jas Uppal has launched an international campaign to highlight the plight of Capt Saurabh Kalia, who was killed, along with five other soldiers, in the 1999 conflict in Jammu and Kashmir. She is demanding the blacklisting of Pakistan for the purpose of giving international aid.

"I am campaigning to discover the plight of the Indian prisoners of war captured and detained by Pakistan during the India-Pakistan war in the 1970s. Yet again (in Saurabh's case) the government of India failed to seek justice (at the international level)," Uppal told IANS in an interview via e-mail.

Saurabh, of the 4 Jat Regiment, was the first Army officer to report incursion by the Pakistani army on Indian soil. He and five soldiers - Sepoys Arjun Ram, Bhanwar Lal Bagaria, Bhika Ram, Moola Ram and Naresh Singh - were on a patrol of the Bajrang Post in the Kaksar sector when they were taken captive by Pakistani troops May 15, 1999.

They were tortured for weeks before being killed. Their mutilated bodies were handed over to the Indian authorities June 9, 1999.

Saurabh's father N K Kalia and his wife Vijaya, settled in this tea garden town, have been raising their voice against violations of human rights and brutalities and asking India to take up the issue of war crimes at the international level.

Uppal told IANS in an interview: "Now that India is a superpower it should be taking the lead in relation to human rights. It should value its security forces and its people."

She said she had reported Kalia's case to international human rights organisations like the Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch and raised the issue in Britain.

In a missive to M Fabricant, a member of the British House of Commons, last month, Uppal said: "I am appalled to learn that the former president of Pakistan (Pervez) Musharraf, who was president of the country at the time of the Kargil incident, is a guest of this country and has been living here for some time.

"I would be grateful if you could raise the matter with our prime minister and the foreign office. Further, I hope that our government will take this case seriously and the ongoing breaches of human rights into consideration when they make aid donations to Pakistan. Any financial aid should be subject of the country's observations and record in relation to human rights," she wrote.

In a reply to Uppal's letter, Fabricant said November 15: "I have, therefore, raised the issue of human rights and aid to Pakistan with Foreign and Commonwealth Office Minister Alistair Burt."

"The West has no idea about these atrocities. If they are made aware they will never support giving aid to Pakistan," said Uppal, who launched a campaign to secure the release of Indian prisoner Sarabjit Singh sentenced to death in Pakistan for spying and bombings.

Satisfied with the initiatives of Uppal, the parents of Saurabh have been pinning their hope on getting justice.

"Our only grudge with the Indian government is why is it shirking to call the atrocities committed by the Pakistani Army as war crimes and why it fails to take up the scourge at the international level," said N K Kalia, 63, who retired as a senior scientist from the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research.

He said the external affairs ministry informed them under the right to information act that "the government of India had conveyed the anguish and anger of the Indian people to the foreign minister of Pakistan during his visit to Delhi June 12, 1999. An aide-memoire was also handed to Pakistan June 15, 1999. However, Pakistan denied our claims."

"This was not sufficient enough to express anguish over war crimes. We are demanding that the government highlight war crimes at international fora so that other prisoners of war do not meet the same fate as Saurabh," he said.

Saurabh, who was posted in Kargil soon after passing out of the Indian Military Academy, did not live long enough to even receive his first pay packet as an officer.

Asked by IANS if she had raised the issue of the five other Indian soldiers who were captured and killed along with Captain Kalia, Uppal said she had "mentioned ALL the soldiers".

"I only know the name of Capt Saurabh Kalia. I do not know the names of the other soldiers; so I cannot refer to them by name as I would like to do. I do not have contact with families of the other soldiers."

She added that if provided their names and family contact details, she would refer to them by their respective names.:tup::tup::tup:

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What armies like these don't get is - when you torture another, you put at risk your own military men and women to be tortured back.

This is reason why we have these intense debates about water boarding ( which is not even close to these heinous crimes committed ).

First you never almost get any good intelligence when you torture, you get a person willing to say anything to you to make it stop. But most importantly, you put your own men and women at risk to be tortured if captured.
 
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everyone who were guilty of such horrible crime should be brought to justice i don't understand why GoI didn't took this case to any international organisation responsible for looking at such incidents
 
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Ok. Here is one more gem.

In a missive to M Fabricant, a member of the British House of Commons, last month, Uppal said: "I am appalled to learn that the former president of Pakistan (Pervez) Musharraf, who was president of the country at the time of the Kargil incident, is a guest of this country and has been living here for some time.

I didn't know that Musharraf was the "president" of Pakistan at the time of Kargil war. Great she told me. :D
 
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If for second I can imagine being in a Pakistani's shoes ( an educated one). I would be so ashamed of the ones who have posted here. Not one iota of intelligent discussion.

It's hahhaha , you do this and I will do that , hahahaha , middle finger !

I know where this discussion is headed---

Indians will have videos of the Indian army giving back @ kargil Pakistani soldiers bodies with honor

some will talk about 90,000 Pakistanis who surrendered and were treated with respect

AND then the whole thread will go to hell in hand basket with unfortunately, no intelligent, calm debate or agreement that

EVERY ARMY SHOULD HOLD ITSELF TO THE GENEVA CODE OF CONDUCT! - every...
 
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If for second I can imagine being in a Pakistani's shoes ( an educated one). I would be so ashamed of the ones who have posted here. Not one iota of intelligent discussion.

This guy goes wild with his assumptions and imagination.
 
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First give justice to the Muslims who were killed in 1947, 1948.
Give justics to people of Jumma & Kashmir who were fighting for the freedom since 1947.

My sympthese are with Indian Soldiers who lost the heart with the war events.. :tdown:

in 1947 many hindus are also killed they were not demanding JUSTICE.......1947 was a war in which both hindus and muslims were killed........so don't be one sided puppet.
"kashmiris are fighting for freedom since 1947".......lol what u r saying....kashmiris r indians they don't need any freedom...........but indeed kashmiris of *** needs freedom from pakistan...............what about baloches..hua .......don't make me to open my mouth
 
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everyone who were guilty of such horrible crime should be brought to justice i don't understand why GoI didn't took this case to any international organisation responsible for looking at such incidents

there is no international body that has any powers other than to declare that such an act took place. The best recourse is to get an official statement from the UN declaring that such an act took place ( act of congress literally). Since this is not a Hague case ( international criminal court) nothing will happen to the any offender.
 
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What armies like these don't get is - when you torture another, you put at risk your own military men and women to be tortured back.

This is reason why we have these intense debates about water boarding ( which is not even close to these heinous crimes committed ).

First you never almost get any good intelligence when you torture, you get a person willing to say anything to you to make it stop. But most importantly, you put your own men and women at risk to be tortured if captured.

Problem is that morons do such things when they don't have any fear of retaliations.

Indian army have always respected the dead and buried them with full honer and religious rituals.
 
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IANS | Dec 12, 2011, 05.25AM IST

Uppal told IANS in an interview: "Now that India is a superpower it should be taking the lead in relation to human rights. It should value its security forces and its people."


hahahaha WHEN IT HAPPENES, JOKE OF THE... DAY.. plz be sensible come to real world
 
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everyone who were guilty of such horrible crime should be brought to justice i don't understand why GoI didn't took this case to any international organisation responsible for looking at such incidents

Says the Land of Gandhi, which shamefully is not ready to ratify the below UN Charter to stop torturing its own citizens? Indians should be ashamed to even post here.

The United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment is an international human rights instrument, under the review of the United Nations, that aims to prevent torture around the world.
 
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Says the Land of Gandhi, which shamefully is not ready to ratify the below UN Charter to stop torturing its own citizens? Indians should be ashamed to even post here.

The United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment is an international human rights instrument, under the review of the United Nations, that aims to prevent torture around the world.

Whatever people of Sub continent do, you of all should not be even talking about this aspect. Particularly when your land has given birth to thousands of Gen. Dyers who are human in form only. The atrocities committed by the Empire "on which sun would never set" cannot be even spoken of . So spare us this BS you spew, You come here to take the side which is accused of and then play your "divide and rule" tactic, shame on the so called Empire and Western Country and its people.

Today you people sit on these so called International bodies and give judgement left right and center, as if your centuries of acts are hidden some how. Your country is the last one to speak of humanity.
 
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Come on guys this is a serious matter. Allegations of torture should be investigated and the guilty should be brought to justice whether they are indians pakistanis or from timbuktoo. Lets not make this a pakistani indian thing. Neither govt approves of this behaviour.
 
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Whatever people of Sub continent do, you of all should not be even talking about this aspect. Particularly when your land has given birth to thousands of Gen. Dyers who are human in form only. The atrocities committed by the Empire "on which sun would never set" cannot be even spoken of . So spare us this BS you spew, You come here to take the side which is accused of and then play your "divide and rule" tactic, shame on the so called Empire and Western Country and its people.

Today you people sit on these so called International bodies and give judgement left right and center, as if your centuries of acts are hidden some how. Your country is the last one to speak of humanity.

If we produced one Gen Dyer you have produced a million. Only difference is Gen. Dyer killed Indians but your Gen Dyers kill and torture fellow Indians? When you have the time please question your fellow Indians why when you agreed in 1997 to Ratify the UN Convention of Torture of its own citizens you dont have the guts to ratify it? Charity begins at home?

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hahahaha what to expect from the these low lives who even denied to take there dead soldiers back who were then burried in india with all respect lol at them

Nothing to gloat as you routinely torture your own citizens and are cowardly enough not to ratify the UN Charter of torturing its own citizens.
 
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