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‘Indian Obsessions: China’ by Randeep Purewall

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Even as he spoke of ‘India China Bhai Bhai’, Nehru wrote about China in his personal letters as India’s ‘foe or adversary for a considerable time to come’. Just after India conducted nuclear tests in April 1998, the then Minister of Defence George Fernandes proclaimed China as India’s ‘potential threat number one’. And again in May 2011, a Times of India article rang alarm bells about the expansion of the Chinese navy into the Bay of Bengal.

Whether it is the lingering trauma of China’s invasion of India in 1962, China’s coziness with Pakistan, or India’s endless self-comparison against China’s higher GDP growth rates and HDI rankings, the idea of China as a threat or competitor to India is an Indian obsession. But while many Indians focus on the actions of the Chinese toward India, few have reflected on factors that are part of India’s own national psyche. Why is India so fixated on China? How does India see itself in the world? And how does this affect India’s perception of China?

Like any country, India perceives other countries the same way that a particular person may perceive (or misperceives) another person. And just as it is difficult, if not impossible, for one individual to observe another individual objectively, free from personal bias, belief or experience, so too can it be difficult for one country to perceive another country ‘objectively’ free from history, realpolitik, or nationalist ideology.

India’s perception of China is affected by India’s perception of itself and its place in the world. With the birth of the idea of a united India under the British, and the rediscovery of ancient Indian learning, many Indian nationalists, including Nehru in The Discovery of India, became convinced that India had once been ‘great’ and dreamed that destiny would restore it to such greatness. The idea of India’s greatness was lavishly displayed at the First Asian Relations Conference in New Delhi in March 1947. It found echoes in Nehru’s ‘tryst with destiny’, and spawned the ‘Nehruvian’ school of Indian foreign policy thinking which envisioned India as a key player in Asia and the world. It later became India Shining under the BJP in the 2003 reelection campaign after India’s GDP received a boost from good monsoon rains.

China is a threat to India because it threatens to challenge or appropriate India’s own belief that it is the great Asian power. Not only does China share with India a conviction of its own historic destiny as a great power, but China also lays claim to being one of the most successful and influential civilizations in Asia and the world.

Whereas India may be an emerging or potential emerging power, the China threat is already arriving or has arrived through its growing share of world trade, its diplomatic and political influence through the United Nations, and the ‘soft power’ challenge of the Chinese model of development. For India, Chinese actions such as the 1962 invasion or competition for resources in Africa are threatening not simply in and because of themselves, but because they challenge India’s own belief that it should be the preeminent power in Asia and have its place amongst the great powers of the world.

If we challenge India’s beliefs about itself, we also change its perceptions of others. By challenging India’s beliefs that is inherently ‘great’, or destined for ‘greatness’, its perception of other countries like China who are rapidly growing economically or becoming powerful diplomatically, may become less distorted. China may instead start to look like a developing country that is working hard to achieve self-sufficiency and prosperity after its own troubled history. By looking at what may influence one country’s perception of another, we can appreciate why Pakistan perceives India a certain way, why Israel looks at the Palestinian authority in a particular light, and how perceptions can be readjusted by challenging and discrediting core beliefs in inflated national selves, mythologies and destinies.

‘Indian Obsessions: China’ by Randeep Purewall « Uddari Weblog

india please stop this china obsession this is kinda creepy
 
There is no doubt in any Indian's mind: China is India’s potential threat number one. A secure future of India lies in checkmating China.
 
trade with China, peace with China but never trust China.
 
Apparently the OP was right.. paranoia and obsession seem to run wild.
whenever i chat with any indians in London when i was living there, at some point they always trying to convience me and others that India and China is at same level and 'will' surpass soon...I feel they are so needy to prove their delusion to others
 
india please stop this china obsession this is kinda creepy
The trouble is mainly psychological. As the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy. It's going to take a lot to change an Indian's psyche after the traumatic events of 1962.

But do remember that both countries are moving forward to accommodate each others concerns and perceptions. Proof of this is the fact that Sino Indian trade is at present $60 billion slated to reach a whopping $100 billion by 2015 and almost $200 billion by 2018!

Now that's a lot of greenbacks, though the balance of trade is tilted toward China. Both countries have realized the importance of trade and the resultant positive effects on their economies. Let's hope there's better understanding of each others aims and aspirations so that it leads to peace and prosperity well into the future. And, there is no second option.

Cheers!
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Apparently the OP was right.. paranoia and obsession seem to run wild.

This seems not one sided. Chinese are equally obsessed with India. Looks at the posts from Chinese members on India as a proof.

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whenever i chat with any indians in London when i was living there, at some point they always trying to convience me and others that India and China is at same level and 'will' surpass soon...I feel they are so needy to prove their delusion to others

There is no delusion. You are a old country, while we are young, hence at some point in the future, India will overtake China. Anyway we consider Chinese political and economic system inferior to India's
 
The trouble is mainly psychological. As the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy. It's going to take a lot to change an Indian's psyche after the traumatic events of 1962.

But do remember that both countries are moving forward to accommodate each others concerns and perceptions. Proof of this is the fact that Sino Indian trade is at present $60 billion slated to reach a whopping $100 billion by 2015 and almost $200 billion by 2018!

Now that's a lot of greenbacks, though the balance of trade is tilted toward China. Both countries have realized the importance of trade and the resultant positive effects on their economies. Let's hope there's better understanding of each others aims and aspirations so that it leads to peace and prosperity well into the future. And, there is no second option.

Cheers!
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I have to disagree. Trade has its own place and peace has its own. Better trade relations may prevent war, but peace is different proposition all together. China and US are the world largest trading block, but where is peace between them.

Strategic relationships evolve when countries complement each other. China and India hardly are complementary. I am much more optimistic on Indo-Pak relations, then on Indo-Chin relations. Pakistan is not a competitor to India, while China is.
 
still the inferior complex at work, for many Indians.
 
whenever i chat with any indians in London when i was living there, at some point they always trying to convience me and others that India and China is at same level and 'will' surpass soon...I feel they are so needy to prove their delusion to others
well you have not met all INDIANS, as an INDIAN let me say you this. China has adopted economic reforms well ahead of us and so you have done prety well, secondly being a Communist country, you guys have the advantage of making quick decession but on the other hand we are a young nation when it comes to economic reforms and as a democracy we take a longer time to make our decession but our decession will be satisfiable to most sections of the country.
Third and the most important point is that we will be a healty compititor to CHINA in the future but you can allways have the No 1 spot, we dont belive in ranking but we work for our own excelance.

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still the inferior complex at work, for many Indians.
and what is your point and what is that about inferiority complex that you are talking about.
 
ChinaToday, the very reason that you dig through the blogs to find out what India/Indians think about you, shows your obsession with India or in Pakistani genius words - "Your inferiority complex" :D
 
This seems not one sided. Chinese are equally obsessed with India. Looks at the posts from Chinese members on India as a proof.

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There is no delusion. You are a old country, while we are young, hence at some point in the future, India will overtake China. Anyway we consider Chinese political and economic system inferior to India's

wrong. we are either equally old (thousands of years) or equally young (1947 and 1949).

also India never fought a major war in the 18th and 19th centuries, while China was at continuous war first against Britain, then France, then first civil war, then Japan, then 2nd civil war, then Japan again, then 3rd civil war.
 
This seems not one sided. Chinese are equally obsessed with India. Looks at the posts from Chinese members on India as a proof.

LOL... :lol:

India Measures Itself Against a China That Doesn’t Notice - New York Times

MUMBAI, India — It seems to be a national obsession in India: measuring the country’s economic development against China’s yardstick.

Indians, in fact, seem to talk endlessly about all things China, a neighbor with whom they have long had a prickly relationship, but which is also one of the few other economies that has had 8 percent or more annual growth in recent years.

Indian newspapers are filled with articles comparing the two countries. Indian executives refer to China as a template for development. Government officials cite Beijing, variously as a threat, partner or role model.

But if keeping up with the Wangs is India’s economic motive force, the rivalry seems to be largely one-sided.
 
wrong. we are either equally old (thousands of years) or equally young (1947 and 1949).

also India never fought a major war in the 18th and 19th centuries, while China was at continuous war first against Britain, then France, then first civil war, then Japan, then 2nd civil war, then Japan again, then 3rd civil war.

You know history a lot better than the indians. good work!:enjoy:
I don't think they can withstand a real war for very long!:china:
 

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