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NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy released a new maritime doctrine in October envisaging an expanded footprint in the Indian Ocean and, besides aircraft carriers and nuclear-powered and nuclear attack submarines, there is appropriate emphasis on offensive naval aviation.

Besides the planned 45 MiG-29K combat jets that complement aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya's onboard and onshore capability, the most advanced weapon system in the navy's arsenal now is the P-8I Neptune long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft designed to hunt and kill enemy submarines. In fact, in terms of technology and capability, it is the most advanced warfare system in the last several years that any of the three Indian services have acquired.

The Indian Government had ordered eight aircraft, with an option for four more. Built on the civilian Boeing 737 platform, delivery of all the eight aircraft was recently completed on time and within the promised cost.

Reliable sources told this correspondent that discussions for four additional aircraft have begun with Boeing, and deliveries would begin soon after the contract is signed.

The Indian Navy has been operating Soviet-vintage Il-38 and Tu-142 maritime surveillance aircraft and, although the former have been upgraded for limited life extension, the latter are largely being replaced with the Boeing P-8Is.

The navy's new Indian Maritime Security Strategy (IMSS 2015), released by Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar in October, supersedes those released in 2004 and 2009 - and substantially increases the navy's responsibility in countering both coastal and high seas' threats. The area of interest has been expanded deeper south in the Indian Ocean and farther west up to the Mediterranean to ensure safe passage for shipping.


Aircraft are the fastest to reach target areas, and the Boeing P-8I is easier and cheaper to operate in terms of technology and fuel, carries more load than any of the Soviet origin aircraft with the Navy, and has sensors and weapons to detect submarines and other threats 360 degrees. That is why the navy has decided to exercise the option clause for four more.

The Indian Navy chief, Admiral Robin Dhowan, had told this correspondent in an earlier interview that besides the 12 P-8Is, the navy will be looking for nine medium-range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft - of the same modern capability as that of P-8I - and 12 Dornier 228 short-range maritime reconnaissance (SRMR) aircraft. The tender for the MRMRs is yet to be issued.

An older 1980s version of Dornier is being made by HAL and a new generation and more powerful version by the Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL), but this is only for exports.




All the aircraft are to have some level of electronic warfare (EW) capabilities and, according to Admiral Dhowan, capability is the key towards any selection.

Boeing delivered the last of the eight ordered aircraft in October and Parikkar dedicated the aircraft to the nation on November 13 after flying in one of them at INS Rajali, Arakkonam, India's premier naval air station in Tami Nadu, which is under the command of Commander Venkateshwaran Ranganathan.

An engineer by profession, the defence minister described the aircraft as a force multiplier in dominating the future battle space and giving the navy the necessary reach and flexibility in swiftly responding to threats in "our area of interest". He also complimented the Naval Air Squadron 312A, which flies them, for achieving several operational milestones even during the induction trials, like participation in the search effort for the missing Malaysian Airlines MH370 and the first successfultrial of Harpoon Block-II anti-shipping missile made by US company Raytheon.

Raytheon has also given the multi-mission aircraft a highly sophisticated advanced electronically scanned array (AESA) APY-10 radar. The P-8I has 360 degree surveillance capability for electronic signals intelligence (ELINT) thanks to radars from Raytheon and Telephonics, while its weapons include depth charges, torpedoes and missiles.


The Indian Navy's P-8I Neptune is nearly the same as the US Navy's P-8 Poseidon, except for some changes like India's own data link made by BEL which the navy uses for all its ships and stations.

Asked to comment on the timely delivery, Boeing's senior vice president for global sales Tom Bell said that the company had kept the promises for on-time and on-cost delivery and that the aircraft will address the Indian Navy's long range maritime surveillance and anti-submarine requirements.

"The Boeing teams have been committed to building, delivering and supporting this aircraft for our important customer - the Indian Navy. Over the last six years, we have learned together, grown together and cemented a foundation for a long-term relationship that will last decades. To see this aircraft come to life at INS Rajali and perform the missions it was envisioned to do under the very able handling of the Indian Navy's sailors and officers has been truly amazing," Bell observed.

Read more at:
Indian Navy's P-8I recce aircraft key factor in India's new maritime strategy - The Economic Times
 
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For mrmr IN should go for diet version of the p8...it offers commonality and no need for special mention of Boeing's delivery rates!
And finally IN should get global hawk...a squadron of these will complement with p8 for recon. Then Indian ocean will trutly be under our watch!!
 
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We leave some critical gaps when we build capability. For example, we have not moved on new mid air refueling tankers for years now. If we want to dominate the Indian Ocean, those are a must. But we only have 6.

Similar was the case with ACTAS sonars for our front line ships. You build super expensive ships but left them without this critical component costing only a few million for years... (we have fixed it now finally).

@egodoc222 absolutely right. The global hawk gives unique abilities. Almost like having a flexible maneuverable satellite that can swoop down for a better look when necessary. Just incredible.
 
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For mrmr IN should go for diet version of the p8...it offers commonality and no need for special mention of Boeing's delivery rates!
And finally IN should get global hawk...a squadron of these will complement with p8 for recon. Then Indian ocean will trutly be under our watch!!

P-8I is a submarine hunter killer, which global hawk is NOT.
Chalk & Cheese!

Now what makes you think the US is going to sell GH to India?

Do you know apart from US & NATO countries who (which country) operates it?
 
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P-8I is a submarine hunter killer, which global hawk is NOT.
Chalk & Cheese!

Now what makes you think the US is going to sell GH to India?

Do you know apart from US & NATO countries who (which country) operates it?
The Triton is already on offer.

In any case, I think GoI should purchase a squadron of Triton. It would go a long way in plugging gaps over Indian Ocean.
 
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The Triton is already on offer.

In any case, I think GoI should purchase a squadron of Triton. It would go a long way in plugging gaps over Indian Ocean.

These work through SatCom when not in line of sight.
India is not yet ready for such. You will have to have dedicated hardware/frequency (satellite) for that.
 
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Mid air refuelling is a must..
Other than that with US-2 SAR would be much better as compared to Do228...10-15 of those babies is a good force and capability multiplication..

An AEW platform preferably E2D hawkeye would be the sweet part.. S70B also needed...

All this and p8I together can rock IN to a new high
 
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For mrmr IN should go for diet version of the p8...it offers commonality and no need for special mention of Boeing's delivery rates!
There is already talk of scrapping the MRMR requirment entirely, the ICG itself has begun the process of selecting their own MRMR for their requirements- what is the use in the IN duplicating such services? The MRMR was to be a MSA alone with no ASW capability and was mooted almost as a knee-jerk response to 26/11. Since then, the security sistuation that has emerged- a very capable coastal surveleince network that is not just being expanded in Indian terrirtory but across the IOR, joint maritime command centres, a metioric increase in the ICG etc etc is very stable and pleasing to the IN, the MRMR seems redudent especially considering one of the flies in the ointment is very much sub-surface and thus the IN is looking to bolster its ASW capability.

The IN was always meant to project India's power far from shore, not be the coastal protection force- a duty given them only in response to 26/11 and temporary in nature. By 2022 the IN will have handed responsibility for securing the coast back to the ICG that will be up to the task by that point and the IN will be free once again to take care of projecting outwards beyond 200nm from the Indian coastline. I don't see where the MRMR fits in the IN's doctrine beyond 2022 then.

A few years ago the IN and Boeing seperately stated a need for 24-30 P-8I, perhaps this will marginally increase with no MRMR for the IN or perhaps it will remain static and more MQ-4C will be inducted to fill the gap.


And finally IN should get global hawk...a squadron of these will complement with p8 for recon. Then Indian ocean will trutly be under our watch!!
The P-8s were designed to operate alongside the Triton- being treated a another sensor on the aircraft so this makes a lot of sense.

Similar was the case with ACTAS sonars for our front line ships. You build super expensive ships but left them without this critical component costing only a few million for years... (we have fixed it now finally).
Don't forget the most pathetic element- the integral ASW helo. $1BN USD destroyers/frigates being inducted and going to sea with either empty hangers or 30+ year old Sea Kings.

Now what makes you think the US is going to sell GH to India?
It has already been cleared to be sold to India.
 
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Mid air refuelling is a must..
The IN are already seriously looking into securing their own AAR fleet by tagging on their own orders to the IAF's orders for A330 MRTTs in the future. But the IN will have to look at fitting a boom onto their AARs to service the P-8Is (the IAF might be interested also for their C-17s).


Trust the IN- they have all their bases covered for the future, they don't simply fudge their way through (ahem, IA).
Other than that with US-2 SAR would be much better as compared to Do228...10-15 of those babies is a good force and capability multiplication..

The US-2 should be given to the ICG as SAR is throughly part of their remit, the IN should operate a few US-2 for supporting the ANC but that is about it.
 
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