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Indian Navy: port-sick ducks

MUHAMMAD SAAD

Indian navy had recently carried out an in-house analysis of its operating pattern that revealed that the homesick sailors had been confining themselves for most of the time to their coastline. They rarely showed their presence in vast expanse of Indian Ocean, the area of their stated strategic interest. Indian navy has deduced from the said analysis that the operating pattern belied the navy’s claim of being a ‘blue water navy’ (a navy capable of operating far away from its coasts for prolonged periods without having to come back to harbour again and again for replenishments).

Indian navy thinks that civil nuclear cooperation with the USA would pave way for realisation of India’s long-cherished ambition of establishing itself as the sole master of the Indian Ocean. George K Tanham, in his Indian Strategic Thought, a RAND research paper prepared for the US under-secretary of defence for policy, observes that India wants to ‘Approach world-power status by developing nuclear and missile capabilities, a blue water navy, and a military-industrial complex, all obvious characteristics of the superpowers’ (page vii). Tanham adds ‘Although Kashmir has been a continuing and visible source of serious conflict between the two countries, Indians regard Pakistan’s refusal to accept the primacy of India (hegemony) in the region as the basic issue of contention between the two countries’ (p.33 ibid.). India is convinced that ‘Pakistan has developed a navy that could interfere with Indian access to Middle East oil and other Indian interests in that region’, p. 29 ibid.).

How India views the Indian Ocean. Tanham tells, ‘India sees the Indian Ocean as a vital frontier…Indian admirals remind the government…(p. 41) India would like a 360 degree cordon sanitaire...Indian navy advocates especially fear a Chinese naval presence in the area and, in the more distant future, the possible return of Japanese forces’ (pp. 42-43 ibid.).

Successive Indian-navy chiefs are fond of making tall claims about their force’s capabilities. However, they are sometimes forced to speak the truth under fire of newsmen’s questions. In the past, the Indian navy chief had admitted that the “Navy has not been doing enough open-ocean work”. The in-house analysis indicated that the Indian navy was still far off from implementing its chief’s operational philosophy epitomised by the slogan: “Tacking to the Blue Waters” (‘Tacking’ is a sailing term implying a change in course. For the Navy, it means spending much more time at sea).

The navy chief had claimed, ‘The navy is firmly steering a course to achieve blue-water capability by 2010 with twin battle groups and a fleet of nuclear submarines’. He pointed out, ‘India’s formation of the Andaman and Nicobar tri-services command and long-range deployments to the South China Sea are a tacit response to Beijing’s intrusion into India’s sphere of influence’.

While elaborating how he intends to translate his words into action, the Indian navy chief admitted, ‘Dominance of smaller ships in the naval fleet imposes limitations of reach. Our Navy has to be built around three aircraft carriers, at least 30 destroyers and frigates, 20 submarines and replenishment ships. That will require a major augmentation for the Navy’.

According to critics, the Indian navy chief’s claims of shaping a blue-water navy by year 2010 are meant to pacify popular criticism of navy’s role and to justify the huge amount of national wealth, they poured into the navy. The people have doubts about Indian navy claims that its warships can be put to sea, combat ready in less than 12 hours, and combine both eastern and western fleets in less than 48 hours, an act never witnessed they say.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/august-2006/8/columns5.php
 
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RAPTOR said:
They rarely showed their presence in vast expanse of Indian Ocean, the area of their stated strategic interest. Indian navy has deduced from the said analysis that the operating pattern belied the navy’s claim of being a ‘blue water navy’ (a navy capable of operating far away from its coasts for prolonged periods without having to come back to harbour again and again for replenishments).

RAPTOR said:
The navy chief had claimed, ‘The navy is firmly steering a course to achieve blue-water capability by 2010 with twin battle groups and a fleet of nuclear submarines’.

Whast this article speaking abt???

RAPTOR said:
According to critics, the Indian navy chief’s claims of shaping a blue-water navy by year 2010 are meant to pacify popular criticism of navy’s role and to justify the huge amount of national wealth, they poured into the navy. The people have doubts about Indian navy claims that its warships can be put to sea, combat ready in less than 12 hours, and combine both eastern and western fleets in less than 48 hours, an act never witnessed they say.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/august-2006/8/columns5.php

laughable..!!!
 
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Bull, need I remind you that merely mocking the article doesn't do justice to the person who wrote it and to the discussion that this thread is meant to promote.

If you think the article is 'laughable' and the author 'doesn't know what he is talking about', please EXPLAIN WHY and provide evidence to support your claims. Else, it is not incumbent up on you to reply to every post in every thread even when you only have 'one word' replies to post.
 
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Sid said:
Bull, need I remind you that merely mocking the article doesn't do justice to the person who wrote it and to the discussion that this thread is meant to promote.

If you think the article is 'laughable' and the author 'doesn't know what he is talking about', please EXPLAIN WHY and provide evidence to support your claims. Else, it is not incumbent up on you to reply to every post in every thread even when you only have 'one word' replies to post.

See what i highlighted?i thought that explained it all!!!

1.No one form the public has cried out on the "large amts been spend on the navy"
2.No article in Indian press has questioned whether the ships can be put to sea.

Why i say so?

1.Look at tsunami rescue operation carried out by the IN from indonesia to Srilanka
2.The fact that IN ships were there near Lebonon to rescue the Indians stuck there.
3.In has a base in Mozambique.



Still do u think this article is worth having a look.
 
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India's tsunami effort..
India's was the first and quickest navy to respond to this calamity.

"It sent four ships to Sri Lanka, three to the Maldives and two to Indonesia with supplies and support immediately after the tsunami."

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2005-01/artikel-1859383.asp

India's Lebonon rescue effort.

"Four Indian Navy warships have entered Lebanese waters to begin evacuation of Indian nationals who have been stranded there"

http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/20/stories/2006072020830100.htm


India naval base in Mozambique to control piracy

Indian Navy provides secuirty cover for African natins meet in Mozambique 2002 and 2003

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC03Df02.html


Is this enough to prove my point that tha IN does have ships that can take to the seas all the way from Indonesai to Africa ( entire IO area)
 
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Indian Navy embarks upon mock war to test sea preparedness
(Rediff, 24 January 2002)


The Indian Navy on January 24th embarked upon a major war-game to test counter-offensive measures in the context of a threat on the western front. The naval exercise, described as routine and local, involved at least eight ships, helicopters and jet fighters crisscrossing around 200 nautical miles of the blue water off the Mumbai coast in a sort of blitzkrieg to stimulate deep penetration attacks against the enemy. "This is a routine exercise and we have not given any code name to it," Naval Chief Admiral Madhavendra Singh said. INS Viraat served as a base ship for the attack as Sea King and Chetak helicopters and Sea Harrier jets were launched to strike at the enemy.

And about the inability of In to mate the both fleets ( W&E) go thru the kargil conflict and role IN played

"Although the western naval fleet is adequate to deal with PN -- force and capability ratio is seven-to-one in India's favour -- the eastern naval fleet was diverted to the west and placed under overall command of the Commander-in-Chief Western Command to deal with any maritime threat by Pakistan to India's strategic offshore assets. Surveillance by Tu 142 and Tu 138 maritime aircraft were stepped up"
http://in.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/05ashok.htm
 
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Bull said:
Is this enough to prove my point that tha IN does have ships that can take to the seas all the way from Indonesai to Africa...

Yes, although the IN has 'some' Blue Water Navy capabilities, it is still years away from being a 'true' Blue Water Navy. Blue Water status does not mean that you just have a couple of ships capable of sailing all the way from Indonesia to Africa.

Sending two ships here, three ships there doesn't demonstrate a lot about Blue Water status because if you take that to be Blue Water, hell, Pakistan Navy's two ships were dispatched to Maldives and SriLanka as well as part of tsunami relief efforts.

In the most simplistic terms, 'True' Blue Water status comes from being able to mobilize naval assets in an efficient manner in the shortest possible time span pertaining to one's doctrine and strategy while being able to project that force effectively across waters to establish influence and gain leverage of sorts as you have shown somewhat in post number six.



P.S. It is very encouraging to see you coming up with all those links and newspieces. If you had done that before, I wouldn't have felt any need to caution you in the first place.
 
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Sid said:
Yes, although the IN has 'some' Blue Water Navy capabilities, it is still years away from being a 'true' Blue Water Navy. Blue Water status does not mean that you just have a couple of ships capable of sailing all the way from Indonesia to Africa.

Sending two ships here, three ships there doesn't demonstrate a lot about Blue Water status because if you take that to be Blue Water, hell, Pakistan Navy's two ships were dispatched to Maldives and SriLanka as well as part of tsunami relief efforts.

In the most simplistic terms, 'True' Blue Water status comes from being able to mobilize naval assets in an efficient manner in the shortest possible time span pertaining to one's doctrine and strategy while being able to project that force effectively across waters to establish influence and gain leverage of sorts as you have shown somewhat in post number six..

Sid, the author was claiming the ships cant take to the water...and he contradicts himself first saying that it claims to be a blue water navy and then he quotes the IN chief as saying IN wants to be blue water navy by 2010!!!


Sid said:
P.S. It is very encouraging to see you coming up with all those links and newspieces. If you had done that before, I wouldn't have felt any need to caution you in the first place.
:thumbsup:
 
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