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Indian Navy and its 5th Gen Fighter jet dilemma
Published July 24, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

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India is finally showing some urgency in developing Second indigenous aircraft carrier-II (IAC-II) due to rising Chinese threat in the Indian Ocean. Carrier which will be named “INS Vishal” will have proposed displacement of 65,000 ton, Once ready INS Vishal will be largest aircraft carrier operated by Indian Navy and Biggest warship ever constructed in Indian Shipyards.

While Navy is busy studying and finalizing specifics like the exact tonnage, the type of propulsion as well as other parameters for the new aircraft carrier, there also is Silent debates happening among Senior ranked Naval Aviators about possible aircrafts which will serve on-board new aircraft carrier when it’s ready.

Bigger size will allow Navy to accommodate AEW (airborne early-warning) aircrafts and Mid-Air Refueling Tankers which it could not accommodate on its other Two aircraft carrier INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya, but looking at the revealed specification of INS Vishal, it is also not possible to operate any newer heavier and bigger fighter jet then Mig-29K currently operated by Indian Navy.

idrw.org in its previous reports had revealed how Navy wants to build a Mini-Air force with a fleet of 150+ fighter jets which can be served from all three aircraft carriers and also from its Land-based Naval Airbase.

Indian Navy already operates 33 Mig-29K and has placed orders for 45 Mig-29K delivery of which will be completed by 2016. Navy also has placed orders for 8 N-LCA MK-1 aircrafts and intends to purchase at least 46 N-LCA Mk.2.

Which still leaves room for few more aircrafts which might be needed. According to Sources close to idrw.org, HAL has asked Indian Navy to double its order for N-LCA Mk.2 when aircraft is ready to hit production but Indian Navy for long also has been interested in acquiring Naval 5th Generation fighter jet and in past have been briefed by Lockheed martin on F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variant and F-35C carrier variant (CV) on possible sale to Indian Navy.

When contacted Serving Naval Aviator of Indian Navy confirmed that Indian Navy still eyes 5th Generation aircrafts for its Aircraft carrier and will take an appropriate call in near future since INS Vishal is still decade away from becoming a reality .

While Americans are not the only contenders, Russians too are working on Naval variant of Pak-fa and it was rather indirectly confirmed when Russian showcased Small Scale model of Future aircraft carrier with Naval variants of Pak-fa in its flight deck . While India is still negotiating with Russians on development of FGFA aircraft based on Pak-fa Stealth aircraft for Indian Air force, Russians have told Indian Naval counterparts that Pak-fa which is slightly bigger then Mig-29K, in its Naval avatar will take up same space in an enclosed hangar of an aircraft carrier that of a Mig-29K.

A third option for Indian Navy will be to join India’s efforts to indigenously develop first 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) fighter jet. Navy is still not expressed its mind on whether it will be officially joining the Program to develop Naval-AMCA, but AMCA which is a Medium category aircraft is very similar to Mig-29K in Size and Expertise gained in development of N-LCA Mk2 will come handy in developing Naval variant which will be able to serve on board INS Vishal but Navy will have to decide at earliest to avoid any delays in the program.
 
Questions...

What is the purpose of Carrier in Indian Navy ?

Indian Navy can't intrude into Asia Pacific Cost where huge Chinese Military Might stationed.
India has long border with China + Already current and further close border bases option
For China, Indian Aircraft Carrier is easy target and which is damn big loss for any navy if their Carrier Sunk along with other protecting frigates/destroyers etc
Nor India has any capability or interested IMO to move into Gulf or control International Sea (s) which are highly impossible as well.

So what is the purpose of spending billions of $$ on Aircraft carriers rather designed powerful structural bases inside mountains (loong border with China).
 
What is the purpose of Carrier in Indian Navy ?

Excellent question

Force projection. IOR is a huge space and all the carriers will not be operational at the same time. Some will be undergoing maintenance/refit/up-gradation. One/two carriers are absolutely necessary not only for defensive purposes like area denial but also to take the fight to the enemy.

Indian Navy can't intrude into Asia Pacific Cost where huge Chinese Military Might stationed


Nor India has any capability or interested IMO to move into Gulf or control International Sea (s) which are highly impossible as well.

True to an extent if you consider India is acting alone. In case of alliances Indian carriers will provide a huge capability enhancement to US/Japan/Nato fleets stationed there. Three or four CBGs including the Indian one will completely overwhelm the enemy defenses.

So what is the purpose of spending billions of $$ on Aircraft carriers rather designed powerful structural bases inside mountains (loong border with China).

They are not mutually exclusive, both are being done. India will have huge economic interests in future in regions like Vietnam, Japan and Gulf. Makes sense to be prepared to defend your interests wherever they are. Kind of similar to doctrine China and Japan are adopting/adopted.
 
What is the purpose of Carrier in Indian Navy ?
Power projection as well as tangible military benefits.

Indian Navy can't intrude into Asia Pacific Cost where huge Chinese Military Might stationed.
Right now this may be true but in the long term the IN is going to be absolutely mighty and will be able to do just that- this carrier is targeted at the future economic powerhouse India is becoming.

India has long border with China + Already current and further close border bases option
What is the advantage of any carrier over land bases? The ability to always be on the move cannot be underestimated. 50+ state of the art fighters backed by cutting edge AWACS is going to keep any adversaries' military strategists at night.

For China, Indian Aircraft Carrier is easy target and which is damn big loss for any navy if their Carrier Sunk along with other protecting frigates/destroyers etc
Such is the case vice versa- the IN has the ability to take out Chinese carriers too.

That said, the IN is clearly going to do everything possible to keep all of their assets safe and if you think sinking an IN carrier with some of the world's finest ships as escorts and some of the finest a/c in the world on her deck is going to be an easy task then you are being naïve.

Nor India has any capability or interested IMO to move into Gulf or control International Sea (s) which are highly impossible as well.
India is interested in protecting all her sea lines of communication open and protecting her interests wherever they may be. You are drawing a box around India's interests which India would never do itself- it has global ambitions in the long term.


So what is the purpose of spending billions of $$ on Aircraft carriers rather designed powerful structural bases inside mountains (loong border with China).

It can do (and is doing) both.
 
If ever IN opts for a fifth generation fighter aircraft it will most probably be Pak-Fa
 
Questions...

What is the purpose of Carrier in Indian Navy ?

Indian Navy can't intrude into Asia Pacific Cost where huge Chinese Military Might stationed.
India has long border with China + Already current and further close border bases option
For China, Indian Aircraft Carrier is easy target and which is damn big loss for any navy if their Carrier Sunk along with other protecting frigates/destroyers etc
Nor India has any capability or interested IMO to move into Gulf or control International Sea (s) which are highly impossible as well.

So what is the purpose of spending billions of $$ on Aircraft carriers rather designed powerful structural bases inside mountains (loong border with China).
indians dont think in short term basis we think always on long term basis and in near furture once chabahar comes alive then we need something in between mumabi and chabahar to provide protection and whats better to shoo away trouble makers than a CBG :azn:
 
indians dont think in short term basis we think always on long term basis and in near furture once chabahar comes alive then we need something in between mumabi and chabahar to provide protection and whats better to shoo away trouble makers than a CBG :azn:

India neva till now become International player... always talk but stay btw Indian interests circle only. Pakistan always btw into International players & powers and btw International conflicts. India's till now only ambition is just to protect India's coastal line that's all not like regional or global powers. Pakistan has massive experience and involvements/work with global powers in terms of military to military engagements comparatively India. Infact India is no where in that perspective.
 
India neva till now become International player... they always talk but stay btw Indian interests circle only. Pakistan always btw into International players & powers and btw International conflicts. India's till now only ambition is just to protect India's coastal line that's all not like regional or global powers. Pakistan has massive experience and involvements/work with global powers in terms of military to military engagements comparatively India. Infact India is no where in that perspective.
well unlike pakistanies we indian beleve first to make owr house stronger then venture owt but before that we have to make owr defences and economy strong enof that no one dares to question owr dictats .... dont worry we are preapiring for that and its still a decade way ... kya samjhe :azn:
 
India neva till now become International player... always talk but stay btw Indian interests circle only. Pakistan always btw into International players & powers and btw International conflicts. India's till now only ambition is just to protect India's coastal line that's all not like regional or global powers. Pakistan has massive experience and involvements/work with global powers in terms of military to military engagements comparatively India. Infact India is no where in that perspective.

well we are soft power our main concern is to improve our economy, slowly increase our potentials.. pakistan don't have choice, you been dragged to other wars.... because pakistan don't have choice.. Yes our ambition is to protect our interests... but not to protect others interests... and fight their war.... if you see IN growth and the equipment acquiring, you will understand... IN is planning big to have Blue water navy.... pakistan is not even close... pakistan is not global player and it will never become... previously US and now china.. you been a pawn in others game... we engaged wars with pakistan... i think you are aware of the outcome of those wars..... pakistan is not even close to India, to talk about influence....
 
India neva till now become International player... always talk but stay btw Indian interests circle only. Pakistan always btw into International players & powers and btw International conflicts. India's till now only ambition is just to protect India's coastal line that's all not like regional or global powers. Pakistan has massive experience and involvements/work with global powers in terms of military to military engagements comparatively India. Infact India is no where in that perspective.


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AFAIK Pak Navy is the most underfunded branch in your Armed Forces.Our Coast Guard has more ships than PN.So combination with global powers is not gonna work when you dont have any indigenous assets.

Land bases in Chinese border is mainly for our border security.
But CBG is mainly for economic and strategic security .Protecting our interests in IOR is a priority for us.
A CBG like INS Vishal protected by next gen Kolkata destroyers,Shivalik frigates ,SSNs is very advanced and ACC will have its own fifth gen fighters.
 
India neva till now become International player... always talk but stay btw Indian interests circle only. Pakistan always btw into International players & powers and btw International conflicts. India's till now only ambition is just to protect India's coastal line that's all not like regional or global powers. Pakistan has massive experience and involvements/work with global powers in terms of military to military engagements comparatively India. Infact India is no where in that perspective.
I need the weed this guy has been smoking .
 
well we are soft power our main concern is to improve our economy, slowly increase our potentials.. pakistan don't have choice, you been dragged to other wars.... because pakistan don't have choice.. Yes our ambition is to protect our interests... but not to protect others interests... and fight their war.... if you see IN growth and the equipment acquiring, you will understand... IN is planning big to have Blue water navy.... pakistan is not even close... pakistan is not global player and it will never become... previously US and now china.. you been a pawn in others game... we engaged wars with pakistan... i think you are aware of the outcome of those wars..... pakistan is not even close to India, to talk about influence....

This is what btw Indian public perception not world. Pakistan btw into International Conflicts n collaborations more than India. Its not a topic but what i understand from your posts is you don't even understand my point nor you understand what is the meaning of international engagements from military to military. Secondly, topic is not Pakistan navy lol all the time drag Pakistan navy in Indian naval discussion is like .... mine is better than yours debate. What do you think we dont know whata is Pakistan navy ? or we don't aware about how many Aircraft carriers, frigates, destroyers etc Pakistan Navy have ?

Stay on the topic if you have answer of opposition party question, feel free to answer.

If you took my post regarding engagements of military to military, India is no where in that. Read the GURU DUTT post carefully.

That said, the IN is clearly going to do everything possible to keep all of their assets safe and if you think sinking an IN carrier with some of the world's finest ships as escorts and some of the finest a/c in the world on her deck is going to be an easy task then you are being naïve.

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