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India's economic report card



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By Kaushik Basu
Professor of economics, Cornell University

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For non-economists the World Development Indicators (WDI), published annually by the World Bank, must seem like a cure for insomnia. It is long, is written on large-format paper, crammed with numbers and consists of very few words.

But, as an economist, I find the WDI to be a very valuable source book.
The paucity of words means I need have no fear of being burdened with somebody's expert opinion (and can merely inflict mine on you). While impressionistic writings and generalisations have their role, and pure statistics has its own risks, the latter often helps us cut through popular hype to see economic reality as it is.

The recently released WDI 2006 is a wonderful document for evaluating cross-country performance. This column's focus being what it is, let us begin with South Asia.

Sobering

Given the huge positive press that India has received in recent times, it is sobering to discover that India's per capita income is just a shade higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and about one-sixth that of Latin America.
Equally surprising is that 35% of India's population lives on less than $1 a day, which is comparable to Bangladesh's 36% and much worse than Pakistan's 17% and Sri Lanka's 6%.


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It has everything to do with change.

To check this out statistically I pulled out WDI 1998 from my shelf. This gives data for mainly 1996 and so is unaffected by the East Asian crisis which started in 1997.
In 1996, India had a per capita income of $380, Pakistan $480, Bangladesh $260 and Sri Lanka $740.

Compare these with the figures in the latest WDI (which pertain to 2004).
India's per capita income has risen to $620 and has overtaken Pakistan's $600; and the relative gap with Sri Lanka, which now has a per capita income of $1010, has narrowed. Bangladesh which currently has a per capita income of $440 has grown reasonably well and so has lost out with India more marginally.

Exaggeration

How does India's growth compare with the world beyond South Asia?


The recent cover story on the Indian economy in Time magazine repeats what is common wisdom, to wit, that over the last three years India has achieved "the second fastest [growth] rate in the world".

The WDI allows us to check the veracity of this statistically. And this common wisdom turns out to be an exaggeration.

If we take the national income growth rate over the period 2000-04, with an annual growth rate of 6.2% India was not second but the 17th fastest-growing nation in the world.

If we take a longer period, 1990 to 2004, India moves up to being the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world, behind China, Vietnam and Mozambique.

And if we take an even longer view - from 1980 to now, India does indeed come second, behind China and virtually tying with Vietnam.
So what India has excelled in is sustained growth. It is this that has given rise to hope. And, combined with the vibrancy of democracy and the successes of higher education in India, this has led some commentators to argue that its future augurs even better than China's.

Inequality

One worrying feature that could cause political instability and jeopardise this bullish forecast - and much of South Asia shares this anxiety - is the problem of poverty and inequality.
Much has been written about this but again some statistical fact checking sheds new light.
Inequality in South Asia is large but not as large as in much of the rest of the world.
[URL="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41811000/jpg/_41811988_kaushikpakhomeless.jpg"]0b028af8666a61a41f9b0b4b881e0dbf.jpg[/URL] Even smaller inequality means much greater hardship for the poor in South Asia

Let us consider the ratio of income earned by a country's richest 10% and the poorest 10%. The ratio for India is 7.3. That is, the richest 10% of the population is a little over seven times as rich as the poorest 10%.
All South Asian nations have similar ratios.
This is a lot of inequality but not as much as in China which has a ratio of 18.4 or the United States 15.7.
The problem with South Asia is that, being poor, even this smaller inequality means much greater hardship for the poor and this is what is feeding various kinds of rebellious movements in the region.
This will be one of the most formidable challenges confronting India over the next decade if it is to live up to its promise.
The difficulty arises from the fact that the rising inequality is largely a concomitant of globalisation and, hence, for a single country to take action against this is to take the risk of a pathological backlash on the economy.
To try to cap high-end income, as some have naively suggested, will cause the flight of skilled citizenry and capital to other nations and will exacerbate poverty.
To wantonly subsidise the poor or to dole out largesse will cause fiscal bankruptcy, which will make the problem worse in the long run.
The focus will have to be on creating private-sector jobs with the complementary use of a few well-directed subsidies. This is not a matter of sloganeering and populist pronouncements but will require a combination of scientifically designed policy interventions that reach out to the poor without damaging market incentives and the entrepreneurial spirit.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5116596.stm
 
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Sig,

Do you have access to this WDI publication?
I have difficulty believing in some figures, they are inaccurate.
Poverty in India cannot be 35%!! :confused:
Pak GDP/pc is higher than India and poverty line is around 23.9% as per latest economic survey.
 
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So when are they going for moon? any ideas?
 
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Neo said:
Sig,

Do you have access to this WDI publication?
I have difficulty believing in some figures, they are inaccurate.
Poverty in India cannot be 35%!! :confused:
Pak GDP/pc is higher than India and poverty line is around 23.9% as per latest economic survey.

I havent downloaded it, but ive always had a pretty good idea where India stands in the world economy statistically.

Do you think Poverty in India is more or less than 35%?

Pak. GDP per capita is lower than India's im sorry to say Neo, however income inequility is higher in India than in Pak. This happened because after 1991 crisis in India, they instituted a lot of reforms while Pak. was doing nothing, its only since Mush. has come into power (with Aziz) that reforms have started here. Its only since 2000 that a lot of reforms have been implemented in Pak.

Does the fact that India has slightly higher GDP per capita but more income equality better than Pak. situation? The answer is, it depends on the person.

Lets go to the moment before you were born, assume you dont know who your parents will be, whether you will be intellignet or challenged and so forth. In india you will have an avg. income 4% more than Pak. yet around 30% chance you will be eating out of a rubbish dump. In Pak you have avg. 4% lower income, yet only 25% chance of eating out of rubbish dump. I would, and most people if they were truthful would choose the slighter lower avg. income yet reduce their chance of eating out of rubbish dump from 30% to 25%.

This means that Pak. tradeoff between risk and income is more efficient than India's tradeoff. Why does this persist? Well, not really sure.

However, Pak. can and should catch and exceed India's per capita GDP while not increasing inequility. I believe it can be done because the recent reforms are notable for their depth and range, spreading across all industries while India is just plodding along, slow and steady with their reforms. Over the next 7 years Pak. should do very well, and slightly better than India (both will do well) unless something catastrophic happens.
 
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A.Rahman said:
So when are they going for moon? any ideas?

Probably fifteen years from now, I think China will get there within ten years. (Both unmanned of course)
 
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Sig,

I have pretty good feedback on India economy and imho its much better than described in the article.
Poverty stands around 25% but its huge due the size of Indian population, i.e. 1.090.000.000!

I'm not sure if Indian GDP/pc is higher, Pakistan recorded $847 last year and figures are confirmed by WB.

India needs to rebase the CPI, I think the size of the GDP is underrated.
 
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Something I found whilst googling, it really makes you sad. These are not the people we want to go to war against, but we want to aid them.

- people below poverty line: about 260 million (acc. to AB Vajpayee feb 04)
- poor living in India: one quarter of the world's poor [BBC Aug 04]
- people living on less than 1 Euro per day (50-55 Rs in 2004): about 30 % of population
- number of people living in slums: 150 million [BBC 15 sep 2004]
- * people in Mumbai living in shanty towns, open spaces, or on pavements: 50% of
Mumbai's population [BBC, Nov 2005]
- world's largest slum: located in Mumbai; Dharavi, 432 acres
- * number of inhabited buildings declared as dangerous or dilapidated in Mumbai:
19,000 [BBC; Sep 2005]
- * number of children in India who die before the age of 5: 63 out of 1000 according
to UN report [BBC; Sep 2005]
- children under 3 years of age in Orissa severely malnourished: 21 % (Feb 04, acc to
National Family Health Survey); or 3.8 % (acc. to data collected by the state)
- tribal children below the age of six who have died of malnourishment-related causes
in 15 districts of Maharashtra: 9,000 (between Apr 2003 and May 2004)
- * number of street children in Delhi: 150,000 estimate [BBC; Sep 2005]

http://www.neoncarrot.co.uk/h_aboutindia/india_statistics_1.html#poverty
 
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Please refer to facts. Your argument of it being british domain is simply puerile, do you have anything that contradicts those simple facts? India is an grossly exaggerated market with the worlds largest indigenous poverty stricken population, infested with caste racism.
 
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Averröes said:
Please refer to facts. Your argument of it being british domain is simply puerile, do you have anything that contradicts those simple facts? India is an grossly exaggerated market with the worlds largest indigenous poverty stricken population, infested with caste racism.

You are too quick to contemplate my thoughts. Did I type anything else except for a single line? My surprise was simply on the point that a british domain has hosted an India-specific website. Now2, whether India is a grossly exaggerated market? I guess multinationals who are queuing up in hordes know better than you and me. Probably, they didn't bother to google up & read your report. Better luck next time:biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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This forum is for serious discussions, Can you contribute or not?

The case has been put forward by laymedia that India is rising, yet at a deeper inspection thing's are surprisingly different.

Multinationals are the same ones who looted India during imperial days. They see a society filled with inequity, with hundreds of millions cheap labour opportunities.

If the facts provided here are false, please give us reliable sources quoting otherwise.
 
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OK, Let me contribute seriously

I do not refute your claims that India is poor. It is just as poor as any South Asian state. But, I would want to know where does your facts state that India is not rising?

#1) 260 mln below poverty line - Govt report in 2003 stated that 26% of the nations population is poor. Whereas in 1991, it was 36%. Every year, 1-1.5% population is moving out of Poverty line. So, it should now be somewhere between 20-22%. Even CIA website/IMF/WB agree upon these figures.

#2) 1 Qtr of World's poor in India - India also accounts for 18% of world population.

#3) 30% of population living on less than a Euro a day - Care to know how far can Euro go in India. It has sufficient purchasing value to buy enough food to feed a stomach. Again read #1, this figure is decreasing everyday aswell. Moreover, a growing economy is always marred with chaos. If everyone tries to grab the slice of cake then you only have spoil in your hand. It takes some time before the tickle down effect takes place. No wonder if India has income disparity. China on the other hand has one of the highest income disparity level. We have given up our socialist ways of thinking. Its capitalism now. Capitalism is unequal sharing of wealth while socialism is equal sharing of misery. When time comes everyone will benefit.

#4) 63 out of 1000 children in India die before the age of 5 - I would be interested in figures in 1991 or 1981. Also, Comparative results from developing countries would be useful. If India has fared any lesser than I agree India is not rising.
 
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Aids 'could hit' India's growth


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More than 5m people in India have HIV

India's economy could suffer if the country fails to check the spread of HIV and Aids, a new report says.

Economic growth currently at 8% could fall by nearly 1% if the disease is not contained, it says.

But the head of India's main anti-Aids agency said the government's prevention drive could help reverse this.
More than five million Indians are infected with HIV and the UN says India now has more people with the virus than any other country in the world.

"Economic growth could decline by 0.86 percentage points... and per capita gross domestic product by 0.55 percentage points," over a 14-year period beginning in 2002, the National Council of Applied Economic Research (NCAER), a government-funded body, said.
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The growth of HIV infections can be reversed with the government pushing an aggressive campaign
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Sujata Rao
Director, Naco


It said the government needed to spend more on prevention programmes.
"It is time to see policy action against Aids as a growth-enhancing policy endeavour, and, first and foremost, dedicate adequate resources for this purpose," the report says.

Increased poverty

The report identifies unskilled labourers in industries such as construction, chemicals, mining and quarrying as the most vulnerable to infection.
It also concluded that Aids could lead to increased poverty in India.
But Aids prevention organisations in India say that an aggressive campaign against the disease could head off the threat.
"The government of India's scaled-up response in financing and energy will halt and reverse the trend the epidemic has shown over the next four or five years," said Ruben del Prado of UNAids. "We have already found that in high-risk states, the growth of HIV infections can be reversed with the government pushing an aggressive campaign against the spread of the disease," added Sujata Rao, director of India's National Aids Control Organisation.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5198402.stm
 
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Neo said:
"The government of India's scaled-up response in financing and energy will halt and reverse the trend the epidemic has shown over the next four or five years," said Ruben del Prado of UNAids. "We have already found that in high-risk states, the growth of HIV infections can be reversed with the government pushing an aggressive campaign against the spread of the disease," added Sujata Rao, director of India's National Aids Control Organisation.
Looks much better now..:bunny:
 
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Turning a blind eye to the problem doesn't make it disappear...but I agree the way you put it, it looks way better. ;)
 
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