Indian Brahmos missle crashes in Mian Channo

[Joe Shearer]

Inadvertently revealing tactics - whether deliberate or not, it has revealed what a potential Brahmos missile strike would be from a tactical point of view, and allows some form of counter-tactics to be developed.

What would be a strategic point of view?

Are you distinguishing between high explosive warheads and nuclear warheads? Are you then suggesting that non-nuclear strikes would be an option?

Yes, you have a point, but would that not be a very dangerous step, leading the Pakistani side to worry about one of those missile strikes being nuclear and not conventional?

The subcontinent battleground - this also demonstrates the unique battleground the subcontinent provides. Two neighbours with a long border and relatively advanced capabilities on both sides to look deep into each others' territory and airspace.

Yes.

This means that a surprise attack would be difficult to achieve for both parties. In addition, it also demonstrates the threats and vulnerabilities for both sides given the relatively short distances that can be covered by missiles and SOWs.

No.

A km per second.

It would be impossible to stop such an attack.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

We also threw them out if Afghanistan and destroyed 20 years of Indian planning and investment

And, induce the Hindutva/RSS/BJP etc. into the power replacing Harvard, Oxford etc. educated top Brahmins, who are basically Aryans of origin and are darlings to West/Russia/Arabs etc. And, they wrecked havoc on Pak with sweet talks and poisonous minds, actions, conspiracies, back stabbing, proxy wars via both traitor civilians and armed terrorists, heinous diplomacy, black propaganda etc....

I would prefer a billion Modis/Yogis/Shahs etc. over a single Gandhi....

Both Mujib and Bhutto fell for Indira with her cunning Matahari like enchanting...

 

[Joe Shearer]

Difficulties in countering saturation strikes - given the relatively short distance between the border and major airbases and other facilities, it would be extremely difficult to develop countermeasures against saturation strikes of hypersonic missiles, as well as low level subsonic cruise missiles.

In principle, correct, but hypersonic - speeds of Mach 5 and over - would not be needed. Even sub-sonic would do.

The crunch - in both directions.

 

[SQ8]

Not only height of Indian incompetence, but i see incompetence of the missile also, first it travelled a hundred KM inside India before realising that OH SHIET Pakistan is on my right and lit the right indicator before taking right turn towards Pakistan.

Just imagine if it had been high tension days and would have been loaded with conventional warhead or even a nuclear one.

That was the flight plan they gave away.. feign a launch towards the south and then turn towards target

What would be a strategic point of view?

Are you distinguishing between high explosive warheads and nuclear warheads? Are you then suggesting that non-nuclear strikes would be an option?

Yes, you have a point, but would that not be a very dangerous step, leading the Pakistani side to worry about one of those missile strikes being nuclear and not conventional?


Yes.


No.

A km per second.

It would be impossible to stop such an attack.

Extremely difficult, not impossible and the achilles heel is the decision time.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It can be an accident ( keeping the history in view) or may be not.
But if you want a sangtra ruling the new delhi in the future then these are the small price you will have to pay. As long as chaddi group ruling India, these things will continue to happen.

The more they are trying the more they're exposing themselves to the level of becoming naked like their Sadhus....

Surgical strikes, 02-26 to 28, revocation of Kashmir related articles, and now this!! Each bringing more disaster than the previous one...

 

[sal29]

Yes if a kid shoots someone and its mistake he will admit immediately

We are talking about nuclear missle
Not a air balloon

The example was not supposed to be taken literally Usually if a kid makes a mistake like breaking something it wont go running to daddy and admitting it.

Yes we are talking about nuclear capable missiles not an actual nuclear missile. We can't give a nuclear response on notion of single missile that didn't actually hit any target or killed anyone. Giving a kinetic response on a mistake which they have already admitted is a bit much.

As mentioned so many times here by a lot of member, Indians accepting their mistake and us highlighting it in every possible international forum is the best outcome for us.

 

[TAC]

@Joe Shearer

Sir what is your thinking about this incident?

It was deliberate attempt to check either Pakistan capable to stop it or now or just a threat to show off?

Neither of those. They are just incompetent to the point of being comical.

 

[Zarf]

I would prefer a billion Modis/Yogis/Shahs etc. over a single Gandhi....

Brahmin is very cunning. I remember when Rajiv Gandhi visited Pakistan back somewhere in the early 90s. He looked much smarter than Modi can ever be.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Brahmin is very cunning. I remember when Rajiv Gandhi visited Pakistan back somewhere in the early 90s. He looked much smarter than Modi can ever be.

For a reason India religiously maintains a caste system...

 

[Joe Shearer]

That was the flight plan they gave away.. feign a launch towards

Extremely difficult, not impossible and the achilles heel is the decision time.

It is the decision time, Sir-ji. Let us agree that it is extremely difficult, not impossible. The problems remain.

I calculated a km/second. Anywhere in Pakistan is hardly ten minutes away. Is there a decision making mechanism in place that allows determination of the warhead in use on the incoming missile, determination of action to be taken, if a counter-strike should be decided, what warhead to choose?

How can these decisions be taken in ten minutes or less?

The dog-leg in this case, btw, was useless. An as the crow flies flight path would have taken the missile from Sirsa to a PAF base in 5 minutes. I suggest that CONSIDERATION of any counter would be impossible in this time frame.

 

[GumNaam]

DG ISPR is more reliable than political persons or analysts. He categorically said that we didn't down it. It fell off itself. It is better to be insecure based on ground realities than to have a false sense of security under the pretext of wishes.

If Brahmos was intercepted by SAM or AAM why would our top brass hide it? There is no reason whatsoever.

Its call obscurity...if they said they downed it then the natural question would be with what? That is what ISPR does not want to disclose. Its common sense really. BTW, ISPR also said they are not involved in politics...if you believe that as well then I'd love to sell you some beach front property in arizona.

 

[siegecrossbow]

A few points to consider, regardless of whether this was deliberate or not.

• Non-random route - the route the missile took was not one of a missile out of control. If that was the case, it would have shown a haphazard, random change in direction. But that is not the case here it seems, and therefore the route it took was probably what it was programmed to take.
• Revealing potential attack vectors for Brahmos strikes - during the tensions of Feb 2019, the Indians were threatening to launch Brahmos missile strikes. My guess would be this was perhaps one of those missiles that was part of the strike package, and the route it took was the programmed vector, distracting the PAF's tracking capabilities and changing direction to attack targets in Pakistan at the last minute. The fact that it had no warhead may mean that it was stood down from that strike package, but still had the attack vector programmed.
• Inadvertently revealing tactics - whether deliberate or not, it has revealed what a potential Brahmos missile strike would be from a tactical point of view, and allows some form of counter-tactics to be developed.
• The subcontinent battleground - this also demonstrates the unique battleground the subcontinent provides. Two neighbours with a long border and relatively advanced capabilities on both sides to look deep into each others' territory and airspace. This means that a surprise attack would be difficult to achieve for both parties. In addition, it also demonstrates the threats and vulnerabilities for both sides given the relatively short distances that can be covered by missiles and SOWs.
• Difficulties in countering saturation strikes - given the relatively short distance between the border and major airbases and other facilities, it would be extremely difficult to develop countermeasures against saturation strikes of hypersonic missiles, as well as low level subsonic cruise missiles.

Are you implying that they programmed the thing to take a dirt bath when launched?

 

[Khalil-PTI]

Yaar these are the Indians they are incompetent, it would have pained them greatly to admit yet another blunder


Their are protocols in place in ensure escalation does not take place

It seems incompetency is new a weapon which Indian can use it against us again and again, but I t was yogis win in UP so they thought let's have some celebrity fire also they knew our clueless couragless leadership sleeping. They were absolutely sucsusful in every aspect. I only hope pagan will give us some face saving.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The example was not supposed to be taken literally Usually if a kid makes a mistake like breaking something it wont go running to daddy and admitting it.

Yes we are talking about nuclear capable missiles not an actual nuclear missile. We can't give a nuclear response on notion of single missile that didn't actually hit any target or killed anyone. Giving a kinetic response on a mistake which they have already admitted is a bit much.

As mentioned so many times here by a lot of member, Indians accepting their mistake and us highlighting it in every possible international forum is the best outcome for us.

I think @SQ8 has already mentioned Brahmos hasn't been mated with nuclear warheads as per the Pak Intelligence...

 

[Khalil-PTI]

Yaar these are the Indians they are incompetent, it would have pained them greatly to admit yet another blunder


Their are protocols in place in ensure escalation does not take place

It seems incompetency is new a weapon which Indian can use it against us again and again, but I t was yogis win in UP so they thought let's have some celebrity fire also they knew our clueless couragless leadership sleeping. They were absolutely sucsusful in every aspect. I only hope pagan will give us some face saving.

It can be an accident ( keeping the history in view) or may be not.
But if you want a sangtra ruling the new delhi in the future then these are the small price you will have to pay. As long as chaddi group ruling India, these things will continue to happen.

If you don't retaliate in same manner these hindutvadi pagan will push us further but they know our current leadership is clueless and couragless so they have calculated our response.